Apple to target iPad at business users through new features - sources

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  • Reply 261 of 282
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astroturf1 View Post


    Business isn't going to work around a devices limitations, the device needs to conform to business needs.



    THAT would be a revolution.

    Business has been working around devices (and software) limitations for ages.
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  • Reply 262 of 282
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post


    Have you guys turned from journalism to propaganda?



    That stupid blurb about "80s style file system" is a joke.



    No. But I think you're right in that iPad's solution is not the right one, either.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post


    A file system (like a decent object data store) allows you to group things together that belong together. What matters is not the apps you work with, but the data. The app should basically disappear.



    If the iPad were revolutionary, apps would only be seen in the app store, as something you install, and somewhere in the system settings, with an installation receipt, and a settings section.

    Other than that, there should be documents, in a file system that you can organize according to your needs. I mean, is your kitchen cabinet organized with a cabinet for each vendor (Heinz, Kraft, DelMonte), or do you sort by dry goods (pasta, rice), things to be refrigerated (milk, cheese), canned goods (beans, etc.)?



    Documents should be grouped by project, date, etc. not by the application that happens to work on it. Just because Project A involves correspondence (Pages) and some calculations (Numbers), and a presentation (Keynote), and maybe some product pictures (Photos), shouldn't mean that that information is scattered all over the device in application specific databases.



    Instead you want to see all your project related information at one spot. Intelligent preview functionality should allow you QuickLook like access to all information in one place. If you want to edit anything, you could hit a "modify" button in the QuickLook preview, and the document automatically opens up in the app in question. If you want to add a document to the project, a new document gesture should allow you to do that, and then prompt you to ask what kind of document you want to create.



    Opening an app is not something that is a forward looking metaphor, it's backwards, and reminds me of the MS-DOS days, or the C-64, where I had to load an app, and then maybe I could access the data somehow...



    YES !



    But we still have app-centric vision of computing. I'm looking forward project and document centric operating systems and UI. Not only files, but contacts, mails, tasks, events... related to a single project in a single place. Even the application model is wrong. I'd love to have small software components dedicated to a single task working on specific parts of a document (wether it's photo, or text, or whatever) that pops up when I work on them.



    Apple gave it a (partial) try in the early 90's with OpenDoc, but failed. Guess it was too early.



    But that is for business use. Having photos with photos, music with music... is the way to go for home use.
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  • Reply 263 of 282
    Apple could make a lot of business users happy by helping Adobe create a top-notch version of Acrobat Reader for it. one with an ability to download documents, easily mark the up, and return them to the source.



    A lot of business computing is reviewing and marking up documents. Make that easy, and iPads will be a bit hit in businss.
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  • Reply 264 of 282
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    PDF is an open format, Apple can make their own, unlike Flash which is reliant on Adobe.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Inkling View Post


    Apple could make a lot of business users happy by helping Adobe create a top-notch version of Acrobat Reader for it. one with an ability to download documents, easily mark the up, and return them to the source.



    A lot of business computing is reviewing and marking up documents. Make that easy, and iPads will be a bit hit in businss.



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  • Reply 265 of 282
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Why is 1080p useless on a laptop? It is very crisp. And I can play BluRay at full def.



    It's totally ridiculous and unnecessary. Continue making up arguments that make less and less sense, it's quite entertaining.
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  • Reply 266 of 282
    carniphagecarniphage Posts: 1,984member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Why is 1080p useless on a laptop? It is very crisp. And I can play BluRay at full def.



    Do you know what 1080p is?









    C.
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  • Reply 267 of 282
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by matt_s View Post


    Almost completely. Unless you're in the video editing business, there's really no need to tote around an LCD with 1080p resolution. You can't sit far enough away from it to enjoy the resolution and still see what the hell's going on.



    I have a 50 inch HDTV at home, so there's no reason at all to watch a movie on a tiny little laptop screen.



    For an instrument like an iPad or the equally crippled MacBook Air, a 1080p video file simply absorbs too much space in storage.



    I strongly urge iGenius to enjoy his Dell and the total magnificence that is Windows 7. And of course, I mean that sincerely, I really really do



    nice post i hope igenius hears your siren call !!



    reverse the 52'' thought

    WITH out 720p a 42' plasma or 46 in anything would be un-watchable

    WITH OUT HIGH END 720P OR 720I AND OR 1080 P OR 1080i a 52 in or larger would be unwatchable

    \\every godamn thing would be pixelated

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Why is 1080p useless on a laptop? It is very crisp. And I can play BluRay at full def.



    your device downgraded it to a much lower level ... 1080p on a 15 in dia screen>>it is like stuffing a fucking turkey and stuffing sandwhich in your mouth all at once while jogging in 4 sweat suits up all the steps in the empire state building .

    backwards .



    your 1080p if held in its first form is good for porting or up linking to your 90 in super dell tv screen !!



    calm down my buddy and be one of us

    our cult is not so bad

    the kool aid is quite the killer



    peace



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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Inkling View Post


    Apple could make a lot of business users happy by helping Adobe create a top-notch version of Acrobat Reader for it. one with an ability to download documents, easily mark the up, and return them to the source.



    A lot of business computing is reviewing and marking up documents. Make that easy, and iPads will be a bit hit in businss.



    NICE

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    PDF is an open format, Apple can make their own, unlike Flash which is reliant on Adobe.



    ALSO nice post

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    It's totally ridiculous and unnecessary. Continue making up arguments that make less and less sense, it's quite entertaining.



    yes it is

    hey he got brainwashed by msft laptop chicks who make movies on 600 dollar dells

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post


    Do you know what 1080p is?









    C.



    you are my friend have been the finest poster here lately

    your chart is great

    i genius could use some links

    >>>

    off topic dude

    do you feel apple will start MVDO SW soon ??





    peace



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  • Reply 268 of 282
    ivan.rnn01ivan.rnn01 Posts: 1,822member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    you are my friend have been the finest poster here lately

    your chart is great

    i genius could use some links



    Seconded. C. is a bit naive --- though still trying to make sense --- when it comes to computers, software, hardware, but in imaging he knows to tell good from bad....
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  • Reply 269 of 282
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post


    Seconded. C. is a bit naive --- though still trying to make sense --- when it comes to computers, software, hardware, but in imaging he knows to tell good from bad....



    under an ever darkening sky the companions continued there trek down that last lonely road . food long gone , sips of water would have to hold till they espied a break in the dusks crushing gloom .. Heavy heavy weighed them all down . River and streams crossed there paths sang songs of .....

    tearful endings .. Sad sad songs the forrest sang back to the cold un forgiving waters . these 4 walkers hurried ever faster yet it seemed to get them no further since they joined this path .. elves passing far off going the other way to the grey seas of ....sang songs of the first age

    of melkor

    of battles lost

    kinfreds broken asunder

    fear struck >> the four walkers started to run >>frodo went in a full sprint all his gear clanking and awakening the dead mans forrest >>before all 4 collapsed for wont of breathe .

    pip looked up and saw the light in a far off blurry window

    the window turned in a cobble stone wall

    the wide oaken door slowly opened and

    and an entwife beckoned them to join the party

    in the last cottage of lost-play

    before long 8 feet were up in front of the roaring fire large mugs of

    hot spiced apple cider tea wine filled the cosy air

    the cold slowly left the weary travelers

    sleep stole over the childlike forms

    tom bombardil sang of this forgotten night long ago

    sting was also by frodo's side safety glowing blue

    tom himself slept bit

    the road goes on for ever



    apple user lament aside

    we finally reached that cottage

    why can't some sit back and marvel at our good fortune

    how soon we forget the evil days

    how soon

    waken me when the nano phone arrive's

    lostplay

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  • Reply 270 of 282
    ivan.rnn01ivan.rnn01 Posts: 1,822member
    Epic! Can't hold back my tears. I fell asleep after having seen 10 minutes of that in theater, I remember. But it was nowhere near your narrative, I guarantee you...
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  • Reply 271 of 282
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post


    Epic! Can't hold back my tears. I fell asleep after having seen 10 minutes of that in theater, I remember. But it was nowhere near your narrative, I guarantee you...



    a 1970 live P[INK FLOYD SHOW

    JAN 18 TH WILL BE YOURS
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  • Reply 272 of 282
    ivan.rnn01ivan.rnn01 Posts: 1,822member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    a 1970 live P[INK FLOYD SHOW

    JAN 18 TH WILL BE YOURS



    Get drier between your ears, my young friend. Jimmy & Robert are part of my heart for ever. Strange as it may be, your perfect instrumentalists don't touch anything in my soul in the least...







    P.S. I believe your credibility is over
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  • Reply 273 of 282
    How much training would it REALLY take, to move office workers from a PC to this device?



    My 4-year-old works perfectly fine on my iTouch.



    You could make an "interface skin" that people can download that makes these apps look more like Office -- but the NEW version of Office is an adjustment anyway from the old version - once again, the icons are moved to make it look like an upgrade. But it does have better drop shadows!



    My company is highly security conscious, they are actually looking at ideas where you run Windows virtually -- and this over long distance -- so it's Terminal 2.0.



    They'd be better of running Google Chrome -- it's lighter weight and designed for sandboxes and lighter weight (as far as net traffic).



    But an iPad -- it's the computer and the security built in. Nothing gets on or off it unless it goes through a secure gateway -- and I expect that Apple will provide a LOCK-IN option for that local network.



    $500 for a device where the networking, email, and most of the support is cheap/ free that can be taken home at night, but secure, and up-dateable from anywhere they log in on the web? You could pay for that with the costs of network and Exchange alone.



    >> I plan to use them for creating Kiosks in the waiting room of some offices -- this is a real bargain and nothing I seen is better suited -- However, I hope they have an attractive KEY LOCK to keep an iPad in one place.
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  • Reply 274 of 282
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post


    Get drier between your ears, my young friend. Jimmy & Robert are part of my heart for ever. Strange as it may be, your perfect instrumentalists don't touch anything in my soul in the least...







    P.S. I believe your credibility is over



    how the west was won made me throw all the studio zep discs frisbee style in the air

    i shall return to my whire room now and wait for andromeda to crash into our milkyway

    goodbye

    enigma





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  • Reply 275 of 282
    matt_smatt_s Posts: 300member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    What always amazes me is the amount of rhetoric and extrapolation people are willing to do from a limited demo on a product that is not yet shipping.



    This is Apple we are talking about, not Microsoft - it's a safe bet we have only seen the surface of how file organization works.



    In other words, calm down - there will be plenty of time to break out the torches and pitchforks if it is indeed lacking.



    Really? That's what amazes you? What an odd life you lead.



    Of course we've only seen the surface - it's not even Version 1 yet - but I'm responding to Apple's insistence that this device can be a business instrument as is and frankly, it ain't there. The few and fleeting moments I've had to play with the unit tells me the wacky file system where apps tell you where you will live is just bonkers. Reminds me of Win3. Seriously.



    What we're trying to do here is brainstorm on how to make the device better. People can dislike things and its just ok, dude... regardless of whether you're into it or not.



    You can now get great taste in a decaffeinated coffee, man. Let it be, everyone deserves an opinion, there was nothing incorrect with my facts; hell, you never even addressed that! Chill.



    - - -



    PS Think of the iPad as an interactive handheld advertising billboard, positioned to sell it's owners all sorts of media. For that, it'll be a remarkable money making instrument.
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  • Reply 276 of 282
    capnbobcapnbob Posts: 388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    I hope so. My iPhone is extremely it could locked down, and will not play the majority of movie formats. It is also missing important audio codecs like .flac and .ogg.



    Are you thinking that the 'Pad will play these? That would be great.



    But unless it does, I don't see how it allows media consumption of all kinds. Additionally, I don't understand how it is better for movie consumption than a netbook with widescreen formatting. Their decision to make it 4:3 results in letterboxing and a smaller picture than many netbooks with the same "10 inch" screen.









    I wouldn't call the same device with a different screen size "a massive innovation". But there's way too much argument here about the meanings of words (dictionaries don't even seem to help) so I won't argue.



    You can't have it both ways - complain that all those who say size is a massive innovation are playing semantics but that your belief that it isn't is somehow objective. Some people think it is an innovation, you don't - get over it. (You're wrong BTW ;-)



    This is not designed for the geek who cares about the aural difference between MP3/AAC/Flac, nor anyone geeky enough to be downloading DIVX avi's from torrents. It is the for the massive casual market who buys stuff from iTunes, gets the iPod copy of their film off the DVD/BRD and thinks format is what you do when your Winblows HD goes wrong.

    Your wishlist is not relevant for designing a product for the largest possible market just like the other stupid comments about the bezel - it is designed so my 85yr old granny or 8 yr old godson can just as easily hold it as a 30-something male with a strong grip. Anyone who can't see that is a fool of even greater proportions than the bezel upon which they rant.
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  • Reply 277 of 282
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    I'm interested in the repeated use of "casual" to describe the iPad.



    Just to indulge the dread car metaphor, it would be as if everyone were expected to be a car enthusiast, endlessly fascinated by fuel ratios and suspension settings and horse power and piston arrangement. And it was understood that a real car needed to be able to go at least 100 mph and be up for a cross country trip and haul at least 2,000 lbs. of gear, because "serious drivers" doing "real work" needed those things.



    And then someone were to make a car "appliance" that was designed for overwhelmingly majority use case, short interurban trips such as commuting and doing errands and going to visit friends, and we were to call that "casual motoring", with just a tiny little sneer.



    Except to most people we would call that "driving."
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  • Reply 278 of 282
    trevctrevc Posts: 77member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speedster View Post


    I can install an App like FMtouch and get our whole database on the iPad and items can be located, pulled, shipped and tracked all straight from the warehouse while my employees are mobile. Not to mention printing orders via bluetooth to a central printer, and emailing customers with shipping details via WiFi. As for "multitasking" on the iPad, other tasks that require a computer can be performed better on their desktop computers running the full Mac OS.



    I wish there was a better solution than FMTouch ... I haven't seen any updates lately from them and even some of my simpler relationships don't work properly.



    Sure wish FileMaker would come out with an iPhone/iPad version. You'd think they'd have some pull! ;-)



    You are also assuming there are print drivers ... is that mentioned somewhere?
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  • Reply 279 of 282
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Why is 1080p useless on a laptop? It is very crisp. And I can play BluRay at full def.



    I'd like to congratulate iGenius for jumping in right at the start and making a ridiculous statement regarding the iPad. You really got this going for a long time.



    l look forward to other trolls from you, These Apple fanboys are so easy to wind up!
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  • Reply 280 of 282
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    LOL, So powerpoint is the market leader by volume of sales,



    yes.



    Quote:

    and therefore must always be the de-facto standard?



    yes.



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    Irrespective of the fact that it's not as powerful as keynote, doesn't look as good as is less intuitive to learn/use?



    yes.



    I'm a keynote fan and user but ppt is the de-facto standard. Many conferences wont take presentations in anything else because they pre-setup all the presentation machines and they run windows. Having presenters swap in their own notebooks is just a non-starter if you have a bunch of them.



    It might be a little bit better if Apple had at least made a keynote player for windows.
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