Mayor Giuliani named Time magazine's Person of the Year...
Good!
Let's try to end this massively ****ed-up year on a POSITIVE note and recognize someone for the RIGHT reasons. The Mayor, by all accounts, really stepped up and acted like a true leader, unifying the city and becoming a symbol for all that is good and right about NYC...and America.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...all the pundits on TV (and I'm sure many of you here...) were rooting for bin Laden.
Maybe Osama was the most influential, important figure, but you know what? After careful analysis and consideration, I've come to the following conclusion:
**** him.
He's had his moment in the sun and his share of magazine covers. Why remind us? Why give the evil cretin any more glory and face-time?
I think it's great that Time chose the positive, "up" path and named Mayor Giuliani. I'm sure they'll catch hell from some quarters, but who cares. It'll be the usual sector of wrongheaded twits anyway, and they haven't been right about much so far, so...
It's just a magazine cover in the end, but still it's nice to see a positive, GOOD thing put to all this stuff at the end of the year.
Why give bin Laden any more fame or attention than he already has? The twisted little cocksucker has pretty much dominated our lives for over three months.
Go Rudy!
Let's try to end this massively ****ed-up year on a POSITIVE note and recognize someone for the RIGHT reasons. The Mayor, by all accounts, really stepped up and acted like a true leader, unifying the city and becoming a symbol for all that is good and right about NYC...and America.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...all the pundits on TV (and I'm sure many of you here...) were rooting for bin Laden.
Maybe Osama was the most influential, important figure, but you know what? After careful analysis and consideration, I've come to the following conclusion:
**** him.
He's had his moment in the sun and his share of magazine covers. Why remind us? Why give the evil cretin any more glory and face-time?
I think it's great that Time chose the positive, "up" path and named Mayor Giuliani. I'm sure they'll catch hell from some quarters, but who cares. It'll be the usual sector of wrongheaded twits anyway, and they haven't been right about much so far, so...
It's just a magazine cover in the end, but still it's nice to see a positive, GOOD thing put to all this stuff at the end of the year.
Why give bin Laden any more fame or attention than he already has? The twisted little cocksucker has pretty much dominated our lives for over three months.
Go Rudy!
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I am relieved that bin Laden was denied having yet more fame and celebrity attached to his name.
<strong>But before September 11, he consistently showed a very different quality.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No he didn't. NYC was a disaster before he was elected. He completely turned that city around.
I hope the days of giving murderous or otherwise shameless cretins the cover of time just because they were the "most newsworthy" are over....
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ? ]</p>
Even from Samantha, who seems to be at the other end of the political/cultural spectrum from me. Although, she DID qualify it with a pre/post September 11 distinction.
Just kidding, Samantha. I honestly didn't have much of an opinion one way or the other about the Mayor prior to September 11. You're right...sometimes tragic events and circumstances make otherwise ordinary, lacklauster individuals rise to the occasion and shine in a way not previously seen.
He just needs to move to San Diego so I can vote for him to be MY major. I'm jealous of NYC.
There are several people here at AI (and you know who you are...) that I'm waiting to pop their heads up and post their, uh, "interesting" [read: dumbass] reasons why they don't agree. I can't wait, because it should be hilarious.
Give it a few more hours...they might be out shopping.
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
1) I did not agree with everything he stood for. He was a consumate politician and often went hunting for voter communities even if it meant he pissed off us liberals.
2) He DID make the city a heck of a lot safer than it previously was. I worked with a guy who had lived in New York his entire life. He had been shot back in the eighties during a mugging and was very clear about the fact that the city was fast falling into hell.
3) He was a DAMN GOOD mayor, despite his personal and political failings.
4) He deserves all the praise he gets for his actions on September 11th. He was the voice of a nation. He was the person that Bush should have been.
I don't necessarily like the man, but I respect him for how he pulled the city together that day. He was brave, selfless, level-headed and, most importantly of all, he was there for his people.
He deserves it.
Hewligan
Wandering off-topic here, but what are you saying there pscates? Most people who know me would describe me as a 'centrist', liberal in some issues and conservative on others... by global ideological/political standards. By US standards, I guess that means somewhere out on the far left? And if you think that I am on the far left, as suggested by your post, does that put you somewhere out on the far-right?
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[quote]He just needs to move to San Diego so I can vote for him to be MY major. I'm jealous of NYC<hr></blockquote>
He would be a great choice for SD Mayor, specially if he could use his political skills to organize some way of countering the ongoing invasion of the USA of illegal immigrants (mostly from Mexico) which is putting the entire infra- structure of S. California under enormous stress.
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Samantha Joanne Ollendale ]</p>
Despite the general consensus that Giuliani is not the most personable person, and he basically did turn NYC into a police state (though it worked dagnabbit), he was simply an incredibly positive force and hero this past year. There are lots of otherwise disagreeable people in history who have done great things for humanity.
And it beats Jeff Bezos!
<strong>Giuliani's efforts on and after September 11 were totally fantastic. It is impossible to imagine anyone performing the mayoral duties in the wake of the attacks better than he did. But before September 11, he consistently showed a very different quality. Isn't it a shame that it so often takes a disaster to bring out the best in people? He gets my support for "Man of the (Post Sept. 11th) year" award, if there was one.
I am relieved that bin Laden was denied having yet more fame and celebrity attached to his name.</strong><hr></blockquote>
uh no. it took a disaster for people to realize how good he really is.
he's been the best mayor NYC ever had for 8 straight years.
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: applenut ]</p>
<strong>Wandering off-topic here, but what are you saying there pscates? Most people who know me would describe me as a 'centrist', liberal in some issues and conservative on others... by global ideological/political standards. By US standards, I guess that means somewhere out on the far left? And if you think that I am on the far left, as suggested by your post, does that put you somewhere out on the far-right?[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Samantha Joanne Ollendale ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, not at all, Samantha. I've just read most of your posts in other threads and noticed that they differ from my posts or views.
No big deal. Not assigning labels or anything like that. Just honestly can't recall seeing a post of yours where I've said "hey, that's what I think too!". But then, I probably haven't read every single one either, so...
That's all.
I don't think I'm "far right" at all. The whackos and wingnuts on BOTH ends of the spectrum bug me to no end. But I'm definitely quite conservative and traditional-minded and lean a bit "to the right" on nearly every fiscal, legal, cultural, etc. issue I can think of.
As far as the border thing, thank you! I've only been saying it for years. I wish someone would do something because it is a terrible burden.
I have no problem with legal immigration.
It's the fence-climbers, river-waders, law-dodging immigration that I - and many others - tend to have trouble with.
Do it right, do it by the book, come here to make a good life for yourself and your family. That's the American way and I would never oppose that. But you also pay taxes and live by the rules we all do.
BTW, watching Laura Bush on Tim Russert. She's quite an attractive woman. Never really noticed 'til just now. Hmm.
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
Other mayors would do well to learn from his tenure. Don't take any BVLLSHIT from anyone. The appropriate reaction to vagrancy, prostitution, drug dealing, pan handling, sqeegees, graphitti, gangs, and all their ilk is NOT some wishy washy "we understand your issues" crap. It is not to let RACE relations and politics hinder civic initiatives. It is to take the offenders, even minor ones, and take them down hard! Law and Order first, healing and helping second. It is quite impossible to do it any other way. Well done mayor Giuliani!
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I'm relieved that Bin Laden did not get the Man of the Year recognition. Giving that sort of publicity to a man responsible for so many deaths is irresponsible and would have been in horrible taste by Time. I'm sure that's why they did not give him the award.
I went to the memorial wall by the church at ground zero. It was hard to take...all those cards, signatures, feelings and reactions.
Then off to Times Square and Rockefeller Center. Wow. the city really hasn't changed. In fact I felt a sense of pride and resiliency I've never felt there before.
All in all, it was a great day. Took tons of photos and just soaked in the whole experience. I love you New York City...
Oh, and yeah, it's great Giuliani got the cover. he deserves it. And the photo should have the FDNY, NYPD, PAP, EMT and his administration workers behind him. They and the people of NYC proved to the world that we all can get up, dust off and get back on with our lives.
so you support public funding of art that makes a mockery of religion and people who break the law and cause gridlock and risk their safety and the safety of others?