I think you might find the most innovation has occurred in capitalist systems. I think its working fine. If the greater good is furthered through greed, I'm all for it.
While the statement that "most innovation has happened in Capitalist systems" is probably true historically (well modern history anyway), I don't think that justifies the conclusion that things are "working fine."
There have been very very very few "systems" in any modern or premodern countries that are *not* Capitalist. The ones that have existed were all totalitarian states. There hasn't been a non-capitalist system that I am aware of that didn't also at the same time squash personal freedoms and do lots of other social stuff that would be more at fault for stifling innovation than the monetary policy.
In effect, we haven't really tried much of anything else besides the Capitalist system, and haven't tinkered much with the one we have. So there could conceivably be deleterious effects on innovation, invention, and progress in general that we haven't seen, simply because we haven't tried anything else.
Certainly there are more than enough examples of aspects of Capitalism that serve to stifle innovation. You only have to look at the US Auto Industry to see that.
I'll reserve judgment on this whole Apple vs. HTC debacle until a later time. But, you have to hand it to Apple in that whatever they do, they do it with style.
Only Apple could make patent carpet bombing look cool.
It is about time that Apple made some moves to defend their patents.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
Lets also not forget, that HTC could pay royalties to Apple and it would solve the issue. Remember most of these lawsuits get handle outside of the courts. Just a way to speed the process up.
There even may be a patent that Apple wants to use but knows if it approaches HTC that HTC would say no or ask for a large amount of money. Apple might be doing this to get leverage on HTC and then ask for the right to use some of their patents in return.
These patent lawsuits are like cat and mouse. All the products stay in the market it is just getting what you can from them. There are millions of patents and I am sure a large portion of them are being violated in one way or another.
One of the patents Apple maybe interested in, is the ability to link one person to all their messages, emails etc. That would be a nice feature on the iPhone.
It is about time that Apple made some moves to defend their patents.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
It is about time that Apple made some moves to defend their patents.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
I agree whole heartedly on your first point. However, I don't see a single comment that suggests anybody has taken 'a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC'.
Lets also not forget, that HTC could pay royalties to Apple and it would solve the issue. Remember most of these lawsuits get handle outside of the courts. Just a way to speed the process up.
There even may be a patent that Apple wants to use but knows if it approaches HTC that HTC would say no or ask for a large amount of money. Apple might be doing this to get leverage on HTC and then ask for the right to use some of their patents in return.
These patent lawsuits are like cat and mouse. All the products stay in the market it is just getting what you can from them. There are millions of patents and I am sure a large portion of them are being violated in one way or another.
One of the patents Apple maybe interested in, is the ability to link one person to all their messages, emails etc. That would be a nice feature on the iPhone.
With the amount of effort that appears to have been put into these patents and this lawsuit, I am no so sure Apple will accept royalty payments and/or an out-of-court settlement. This feels like Apple going in with an all out legal war. Apple new motto: Sweep the leg! Mercy is for the weak!
... For HTC (for example) to claim they've been innovating for 13 years is pure BS. They have shown zero "innovation" before the iPhone was introduced. Their current products just reek of build-as-fast-as-one-can to get it to market in the hopes of getting some of the action. It no where even shows the kind of quality that gives the notion that serious thought to details have been done....
Totally agree.
HTC is a hairsbreadth away from being one of those clone manufacturers in China. Cheap crap, speedily made. Nothing wrong with that of course, but to then turn around and claim they are in the same ballpark as Apple is a bit much.
With the amount of effort that appears to have been put into these patents and this lawsuit, I am no so sure Apple will accept royalty payments and/or an out-of-court settlement. This feels like Apple going in with an all out legal war. Apple new motto: Sweep the leg! Mercy is for the weak!
Yeah, seems like war to me too.
Gruber noted that he couldn't remember Apple ever initiating a patent complaint against anyone before. I can't either. Usually they are the respondents.
This is more likely to be a serious long thought out decision by Apple to do this.
While the statement that "most innovation has happened in Capitalist systems" is probably true historically (well modern history anyway), I don't think that justifies the conclusion that things are "working fine."
There have been very very very few "systems" in any modern or premodern countries that are *not* Capitalist. The ones that have existed were all totalitarian states. There hasn't been a non-capitalist system that I am aware of that didn't also at the same time squash personal freedoms and do lots of other social stuff that would be more at fault for stifling innovation than the monetary policy.
In effect, we haven't really tried much of anything else besides the Capitalist system, and haven't tinkered much with the one we have. So there could conceivably be deleterious effects on innovation, invention, and progress in general that we haven't seen, simply because we haven't tried anything else.
Certainly there are more than enough examples of aspects of Capitalism that serve to stifle innovation. You only have to look at the US Auto Industry to see that.
This has to be the best bunch of words I've read since last month. It's incredibly wasteful all the money/work that gets incinerated through lawyer services.
Such as patents that Palm holds. A couple examples:
#7,268,775 "Dynamic brightness range for portable computer displays based on ambient conditions" i.e. using ambient light sensors to adjust display brightness, a la iPhone.
#7,007,239, "Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services" i.e. phone.app including buttons in the phone.app UI to bring up contacts, history, etc. In fact the diagram in the Palm patent submission is almost a diagram of the iPhone phone UI but was from 2006.
That's just two. Palm has something like 1500 patents in their portfolio for mobiles.
Seriously, why do you think Apple hasn't sued Palm? The resulting counter suits from Palm, if successful (and likely they would be) would gut much of the basic elements of the iPhone experience.
This is a great example of why Monetary and Capitalist systems don't work and eventually will fail.
Future civilization is gonna look at us and laugh of how dumb we are, fighting each other for Money instead of achieving common purpose for all humanity.
Wow, are you from the future?! What's it like there future man!?
Seriously, why do you think Apple hasn't sued Palm? The resulting counter suits from Palm, if successful (and likely they would be) would gut much of the basic elements of the iPhone experience.
Possibly, but it also might be because Palm hasn't been successful enough in their stealing of Apple's patents, if they are, to make it viable. We'd also have to look at the nuisances of Palm's patents and how Apple implements ambient light sensors to see if there is a violation.
Gruber noted that he couldn't remember Apple ever initiating a patent complaint against anyone before. I can't either. Usually they are the respondents.
This is more likely to be a serious long thought out decision by Apple to do this.
Didn't anyone tell Apple they should be filing suit in east Texas? LOL.
This is just a subtle reminder that there are big, big dollar numbers involved here and that iPhone business is now the lions share of all Apple business.
HTC is a hairsbreadth away from being one of those clone manufacturers in China. Cheap crap, speedily made. Nothing wrong with that of course, but to then turn around and claim they are in the same ballpark as Apple is a bit much.
Your lack of knowledge and ignorance given the comment above is amazing.
You do realize that HTC has a 260 Billion dollar market cap as of today.
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I think you might find the most innovation has occurred in capitalist systems. I think its working fine. If the greater good is furthered through greed, I'm all for it.
While the statement that "most innovation has happened in Capitalist systems" is probably true historically (well modern history anyway), I don't think that justifies the conclusion that things are "working fine."
There have been very very very few "systems" in any modern or premodern countries that are *not* Capitalist. The ones that have existed were all totalitarian states. There hasn't been a non-capitalist system that I am aware of that didn't also at the same time squash personal freedoms and do lots of other social stuff that would be more at fault for stifling innovation than the monetary policy.
In effect, we haven't really tried much of anything else besides the Capitalist system, and haven't tinkered much with the one we have. So there could conceivably be deleterious effects on innovation, invention, and progress in general that we haven't seen, simply because we haven't tried anything else.
Certainly there are more than enough examples of aspects of Capitalism that serve to stifle innovation. You only have to look at the US Auto Industry to see that.
Only Apple could make patent carpet bombing look cool.
EDIT.... Never mind.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
There even may be a patent that Apple wants to use but knows if it approaches HTC that HTC would say no or ask for a large amount of money. Apple might be doing this to get leverage on HTC and then ask for the right to use some of their patents in return.
These patent lawsuits are like cat and mouse. All the products stay in the market it is just getting what you can from them. There are millions of patents and I am sure a large portion of them are being violated in one way or another.
One of the patents Apple maybe interested in, is the ability to link one person to all their messages, emails etc. That would be a nice feature on the iPhone.
It is about time that Apple made some moves to defend their patents.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
Such as?
They did nick cover flow with their Sense UI though.
It is about time that Apple made some moves to defend their patents.
It is funny though, how some people here take such a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC. Almost as though they don't realize that Apple has 'borrowed' features in the iPhone as well.
I agree whole heartedly on your first point. However, I don't see a single comment that suggests anybody has taken 'a holier than thou attitude about Apple against HTC'.
Lets also not forget, that HTC could pay royalties to Apple and it would solve the issue. Remember most of these lawsuits get handle outside of the courts. Just a way to speed the process up.
There even may be a patent that Apple wants to use but knows if it approaches HTC that HTC would say no or ask for a large amount of money. Apple might be doing this to get leverage on HTC and then ask for the right to use some of their patents in return.
These patent lawsuits are like cat and mouse. All the products stay in the market it is just getting what you can from them. There are millions of patents and I am sure a large portion of them are being violated in one way or another.
One of the patents Apple maybe interested in, is the ability to link one person to all their messages, emails etc. That would be a nice feature on the iPhone.
With the amount of effort that appears to have been put into these patents and this lawsuit, I am no so sure Apple will accept royalty payments and/or an out-of-court settlement. This feels like Apple going in with an all out legal war. Apple new motto: Sweep the leg! Mercy is for the weak!
... For HTC (for example) to claim they've been innovating for 13 years is pure BS. They have shown zero "innovation" before the iPhone was introduced. Their current products just reek of build-as-fast-as-one-can to get it to market in the hopes of getting some of the action. It no where even shows the kind of quality that gives the notion that serious thought to details have been done....
Totally agree.
HTC is a hairsbreadth away from being one of those clone manufacturers in China. Cheap crap, speedily made. Nothing wrong with that of course, but to then turn around and claim they are in the same ballpark as Apple is a bit much.
With the amount of effort that appears to have been put into these patents and this lawsuit, I am no so sure Apple will accept royalty payments and/or an out-of-court settlement. This feels like Apple going in with an all out legal war. Apple new motto: Sweep the leg! Mercy is for the weak!
Yeah, seems like war to me too.
Gruber noted that he couldn't remember Apple ever initiating a patent complaint against anyone before. I can't either. Usually they are the respondents.
This is more likely to be a serious long thought out decision by Apple to do this.
While the statement that "most innovation has happened in Capitalist systems" is probably true historically (well modern history anyway), I don't think that justifies the conclusion that things are "working fine."
There have been very very very few "systems" in any modern or premodern countries that are *not* Capitalist. The ones that have existed were all totalitarian states. There hasn't been a non-capitalist system that I am aware of that didn't also at the same time squash personal freedoms and do lots of other social stuff that would be more at fault for stifling innovation than the monetary policy.
In effect, we haven't really tried much of anything else besides the Capitalist system, and haven't tinkered much with the one we have. So there could conceivably be deleterious effects on innovation, invention, and progress in general that we haven't seen, simply because we haven't tried anything else.
Certainly there are more than enough examples of aspects of Capitalism that serve to stifle innovation. You only have to look at the US Auto Industry to see that.
This has to be the best bunch of words I've read since last month. It's incredibly wasteful all the money/work that gets incinerated through lawyer services.
Such as?
Such as patents that Palm holds. A couple examples:
#7,268,775 "Dynamic brightness range for portable computer displays based on ambient conditions" i.e. using ambient light sensors to adjust display brightness, a la iPhone.
#7,007,239, "Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services" i.e. phone.app including buttons in the phone.app UI to bring up contacts, history, etc. In fact the diagram in the Palm patent submission is almost a diagram of the iPhone phone UI but was from 2006.
That's just two. Palm has something like 1500 patents in their portfolio for mobiles.
Seriously, why do you think Apple hasn't sued Palm? The resulting counter suits from Palm, if successful (and likely they would be) would gut much of the basic elements of the iPhone experience.
This is a great example of why Monetary and Capitalist systems don't work and eventually will fail.
Future civilization is gonna look at us and laugh of how dumb we are, fighting each other for Money instead of achieving common purpose for all humanity.
Wow, are you from the future?! What's it like there future man!?
Step away from the Star Trek.
Seriously, why do you think Apple hasn't sued Palm? The resulting counter suits from Palm, if successful (and likely they would be) would gut much of the basic elements of the iPhone experience.
Possibly, but it also might be because Palm hasn't been successful enough in their stealing of Apple's patents, if they are, to make it viable. We'd also have to look at the nuisances of Palm's patents and how Apple implements ambient light sensors to see if there is a violation.
Yeah, seems like war to me too.
Gruber noted that he couldn't remember Apple ever initiating a patent complaint against anyone before. I can't either. Usually they are the respondents.
This is more likely to be a serious long thought out decision by Apple to do this.
Didn't anyone tell Apple they should be filing suit in east Texas? LOL.
This is just a subtle reminder that there are big, big dollar numbers involved here and that iPhone business is now the lions share of all Apple business.
Is there a link to the Gruber comments?
Totally agree.
HTC is a hairsbreadth away from being one of those clone manufacturers in China. Cheap crap, speedily made. Nothing wrong with that of course, but to then turn around and claim they are in the same ballpark as Apple is a bit much.
Your lack of knowledge and ignorance given the comment above is amazing.
You do realize that HTC has a 260 Billion dollar market cap as of today.
http://investing.businessweek.com/re...ticker=2498:TT
If the ITC finds all these companies guilty, there will soon be not many phones to choose from in the US.
Heh... maybe they should do exactly that.