Sun former CEO: Steve Jobs threatened to sue us over patents too

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  • Reply 41 of 88
    crankycranky Posts: 163member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    But I chose not to do drugs.



    So you're that way naturally, right?
  • Reply 42 of 88
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    Originally Posted by piot View Post


    My apologies. I did not realise that, by posting comments here, you were helping to keep your family clothed and fed.



    Your Quote

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    Brilliant!



    These guys do conjure up an image of sad, pasty faced workers... clocking in for yet another 8 hour shift on a seemingly endless and repetitive production line.



    Arrogant Bastard comment at best. You are talking about 80% of the US population.



    Your apology means nothing to me. I feel sorry for an empty life that appears to be driven by making other people feel small.



    Good luck with it and swap your email address with Quadra, Sloppy, and Anal-kunstrum.

    They seem to be of the same selfish mold as you.
  • Reply 43 of 88
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Why are you here?



    He's a MicroOutsider! That is why he's here. To ruin my Happy Mac Life.
  • Reply 44 of 88
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    And I could be on Acid or Crack and come up with something as disturbing. But I chose not to do drugs.



    I'd suggest the same "Cranky".



    My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?
  • Reply 45 of 88
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    You are talking about 80% of the US population.



    You still don't get it, do you?

    Priceless.
  • Reply 46 of 88
    crankycranky Posts: 163member
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    Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post


    My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?



  • Reply 47 of 88
    azazel-azazel- Posts: 68member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    Your Quote



    Your apology means nothing to me. I feel sorry for an empty life that appears to be driven by making other people feel small.




    Irony.
  • Reply 48 of 88
    shrikeshrike Posts: 494member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    So, let me get this straight (if I can read through the BS)...



    You not only run MS Office but MS OS XP or 7. That's putting even a bigger smile on Steve Balmer's face. You can't make it in the real world without Microsoft.



    I'll call BS on All MS software is Free for you. Where do you attend your education?



    Not even MIS/Government gets software MS software for free. It was either included in your tuition or you are not telling the truth.



    Care to supply the school, link for free software for students and date purchased?



    Bill Gates gives Billions to charity but not to higher education. That is unless you're graduating grade school, it may be possible.



    Jeez, dude. It's not that hard to understand English. Yes, TANSTAAFL of course, but yes it's not that hard to believe an institution making a deal with MS for licenses for its students, all paid for by tuition and the football program. I kid about the football program. A little. A good football program makes lots of money. I kid.



    Anyways, in this scenario, MS Office student licenses would be "free" to the students even though it is likely buried in tuition fees somewhere. MS likely also gives them a sweetheart volume deal just like Apple does on laptops and iPod touches and soon iPad.



    MS Office is basically a monopoly and an IT requirement for basically all institutions. Everyone uses Office: Mac because it provides the best compatibility and meets IT "Office" software requirements. And let me tell you, Mac Office 2008 and 2004 are some of the crappiest pieces of software you'll fine on the Mac outside of Adobe apps which are almost like malware. It's also unfortunate the Adobe essentially has a monopolist position on PDF. If the quality of these software isn't a sign of monopolies having no competitive pressures to improve their products I don't know what is. Office is so bad that it's easier and faster to run Windows in a VM and use Windows Office. It's just this year and maybe next year for Adobe's CS that they'll have Cocoa based Office and CS after 10 freaking years of Apple trying to convince them to switch.



    Not knocking it too much. If it wasn't for those two continuing to support Mac OS X, Apple wouldn't be alive today. It took a lot of cajoling though.



    As for Schwartz, yes, big business is a litigious one. I believe him as I think he and Jobs go way back and would be on cell phone terms. Heck, Sun, Apple, and MS go way way back and they all know each other, executives, engineers, secretaries, etc. Schwartz ended up being an incompetent CEO though. Outside of selling servers, Schwartz didn't seem to understand how to make money. When Linux/x86 and NT/x86 servers undercut them, Sun was toast. The rest of their strategy seemed to have been spending billions of dollars on Java and giving it away. Hell Java itself threatened Sun's server business and Sun basically knifed their own baby.
  • Reply 49 of 88
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    Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post


    My god fellow, are you always this unpleasant? Or did you and Beavis just have a falling out?



    I'm not unpleasant to thoughtful people. I have not been approached by any in this particular arrogant posting.



    It's a wonder MacRumors has 98% more traffic with Trolls like this room has.



    It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.
  • Reply 50 of 88
    azazel-azazel- Posts: 68member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    I'm not unpleasant to thoughtful people. I have not been approached by any in this particular arrogant posting.



    It's a wonder MacRumors has 98% more traffic with Trolls like this room has.



    It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.



    Macrumors is a haven for Wintendo trolls that go there to bitch about...just the sort of garbage you're spewing, strangely enough. I find it hilarious that you mention MR as a site that should be aspired to. That place is a cesspool.
  • Reply 51 of 88
    dickprinterdickprinter Posts: 1,060member
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    Originally Posted by Cranky View Post


    Angus, I have the opening paragraph for your memoirs just in case you need the help:



    I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers

    Consultin' with the rain.

    And my head I'd be scratchin' while

    my thoughts were busy hatchin'

    If I only had a brain.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    And I could be on Acid or Crack and come up with something as disturbing. But I chose not to do drugs.



    I'd suggest the same "Cranky".



    Maybe you should take some drugs and lighten up a bit. You're being nasty, sarcastic and ignorant. Don't you recognize a song from the Wizard of Oz? Oh, I forgot, that a big druggie movie and you choose not to do drugs.



    Why don't you try to be more open and constructive during the discussions in this forum rather than slam everything and everyone NOT Microsoft.



    No emoticons added here so you don't think I'm immature, also.
  • Reply 52 of 88
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    And I'll bet he takes advantage of it just like he does parking in handicap parking spaces.



    Parking in Handicap Parking Spaces is about as low and uncaring as they come. Steve Jobs does it with a smile on his face. Pitiful.



    Dude, your (sic) so full of shit. STFU. No wait, I'll add you to my ignore list.
  • Reply 53 of 88
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    For a man that drove Sun into the ground, who couldn't get NeXT to buy Lighthouse for the ludicrous price you asked and now for claiming that NeXT/Apple stole your IP either you think everyone is a complete idiot or you fail to acknowledge that the Engineers who wrote Concurrence and more actually Work at Apple.



    I find it truly rich that Sun could never manage to produce Cocoa apps for OS X with all that purchased IP and then I discovered that the Cocoa heads left.



    That explained it all.



    Jonathan was just an arrogant a-hole then and now he's a semi-rich a-hole. Nothing has changed other than the fact he's still touting a pony tail, ten years after the trend died, and he better pucker up and find some sucker who wants him to drive their ideas into the ground, because he never had vision even at Lighthouse.



    The staff were some of the nicest folks in the business and most of them couldn't stomach him.



    All those abandoned Lighthouse applications are still available on NeXTStep 3.3 and Openstep 4.x for those interested in using them.



    They were good apps and if Sun had cared to make money in several areas they could have ported them cleanly to OS X, but I guess it takes staff with the knowledge to bring it forward.



    Having used Concurrence for years at NeXT, Keynote is generations ahead of Concurrence.



    Next, Johnathan's going to proclaim that Lighthouse invented the NeXT UI that made their apps cool.
  • Reply 54 of 88
    dickprinterdickprinter Posts: 1,060member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post




    It's no wonder that Mac users have a bad reputation on the Internet.



    Why, because we're passionate? You can rave about MS, we'll justifiably rave about Apple and everyone is happy....as long as we leave each other alone...after you go away.



    Go talk up MS on a MS fanboy site and leave us to do the same about our love for Apple.....and the portable electronic device God known by all here as Steve Jobs.
  • Reply 55 of 88
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    It's included in your tuition and as a part of OKY state funding. That is unless you're under a Federal Lower Income Grant, then it's just the government.



    —Student Technology Products. Students are eligible for discounts on Microsoft, Dell, Apple, and Cingular products and services through OSU. For information on how to obtain the OSU discount on Dell or Apple products, as well as information on Cingular cellular plans for students, please visit http://it.okstate.edu/students/. Virus protection software and Microsoft products, including Windows and Mac versions, are available to download through OSU's Microsoft Campus Agreement at the software distribution center Web site at https://app.it.okstate.edu/sdc/login.php. Directions for software pick-up or delivery also are available on the software distribution center Web site.



    —Additional Information. For a complete listing of IT resources, please visit http://it.okstate.edu/rc. For additional information about the Information Technology department, please visit http://it.okstate.edu.



    Nothing is Free.



    You can spin it anyway you want.



    Student pay fixed amount of fee plus per hour tuitions. The fees students pay never change because they did or did not use the facilities and services. We don't get a bill at the end of the semester saying we downloaded such software and should pay for it. As I said:



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    Fortunately for me, all MS software (Windows XP to 7, Office (Mac & Windows) .. etc) are provided free of charge for ALL students in our university.



    Meaning I don't pay for them when I need to install them on my computer. I can download one or all of them and I will not be getting a bill telling me to pay money for them.
  • Reply 56 of 88
    macnycmacnyc Posts: 342member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    And this is bad because why?...



    If they are putting in 8 hours a day and feeding their family and that is all the education they have then more power to them for having a job.



    Is this so low on your elitist list that it somehow disgusts you?



    Wow! That went right over your head now didn't it?... He was referring to you starting your shift trolling on here...



    Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are we?...
  • Reply 57 of 88
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
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    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    It doesn't matter to Microsoft. It's still cash in their pockets.



    I wouldn't have lunch with Steve Jobs. He'd probably tell me he forgot his wallet and make me pay for it. Plus the thought of it makes me lose my appetite (much like your postings).



    You're a fool. Steve's never cheap at lunch and he always buys. And if he's having lunch with you he values you more than you know. Hell, just go to 1 Infinite Loop during the day and say hello to whoever you want.



    Of course it helps if people know you and you work there. Otherwise, you're just a stalker.



    None of these myths about Steve are remotely true, with one exception. If you're in a meeting with the man, don't waste his time. He doesn't waste time with fans who want to work at Apple, just to giggle about the history. He wants talent and people with ideas.



    I always found it amazing how people take offense to straight talkers, who are bluntly objective and aren't there to cultivate relationships as if a CEO and staff are going to be best friends.
  • Reply 58 of 88
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    The reason Mac users use MS Office is because cross platform compatibility and iWork is a Mac only software. No one is undermining MS Office success. MS Office for Mac lacks many features available on Windows version (VBA for one). Furthermore, there are some compatibility issues between the two.



    I am not talking simple documents and spreadsheets here. I am currently working on my dissertation on my MBP using Office for Windows via Parallels. One of the reasons I am doing so is because the Word template the department provided me didn't work well on Office for Mac (2004 and 2008). Fortunately for me, all MS software (Windows XP to 7, Office (Mac & Windows) .. etc) are provided free of charge for ALL students in our university.



    Best of luck on your dissertation.
  • Reply 59 of 88
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post


    Best of luck on your dissertation.



    Thanks
  • Reply 60 of 88
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    You're a fool. Steve's never cheap at lunch and he always buys. And if he's having lunch with you he values you more than you know. Hell, just go to 1 Infinite Loop during the day and say hello to whoever you want.



    Of course it helps if people know you and you work there. Otherwise, you're just a stalker.



    None of these myths about Steve are remotely true, with one exception. If you're in a meeting with the man, don't waste his time. He doesn't waste time with fans who want to work at Apple, just to giggle about the history. He wants talent and people with ideas.



    I always found it amazing how people take offense to straight talkers, who are bluntly objective and aren't there to cultivate relationships as if a CEO and staff are going to be best friends.



    Are you talking about Steve Jobs or Steve Balmer. They both seem the same foul mouthed idiots these days. Spew before they think and bad mouth the competition.



    That is not my idea of a good man, company or cult.
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