yes, it is sorta like the IBM pc. it sold so well cuz businesses thought 'ibm. safe. trustworthy. cheaper' and bought them by boatloads.
apple doesn't focus on enterprise much. i have used blackberrys for 4 years if i remember correctly. i just retired my bold and have no desire to go back to blackberrys. but honestly if i had to say what is probably the most secure mobile device when properly setup i would say blackberrys along with a corporate BES.
The iPhone is pretty big in the enterprise these days with most fortune 500 companies giving the option between a blackberry and an iPhone. Not to mention that the iPhone allows access to corporate VPNs and web applications which makes it better in certain situations. Personally, almost everyone I know who works in companies with at least 1,000 employees has a company issued iPhone (and I'm not counting Apple employees by the way).
Exactly. I work on a military installation. New officers arriving on station, depending on rank, are issued a Blackberry when they in-process. Certain environments simply aren't as adaptable or willing to accept a device like the iPhone. And with the majority of those that I know with a Blackberry, they'd part with it when it was pried from their cold, dead hands.
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
Android much more than doubled in usage since October. RIM is pulling even further ahead of Apple in users. And the proportion of iOS users has gone nowhere in that time period.
Some folks don't like facts.
you do realize without the BOGO promotions that both RIM and Android phones such as the Motorola Droid which was the big IPHONE KILLER (which is now old news and has to be given out for free with a purchase of one) that there numbers would be in half of the months shown, especially RIMM phones. And since there is basically ONE apple Iphone OS but different skus, clearly the iphone iOS is the winner by using your own props from Geezmodo...
there are so many android devices and OS, that there will never be a standout device specifically engineered for an Android OS, as we see google can not even decide what an android OS is..
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
The environment which I described could be described in many ways, but 'progressive' would not be remotely near the top of the list.
Where you work, are there still a significant percentage of people wanting a decent WinMo phone?
You wouldn't believe how many of my Japanese friends I've convinced to buy the new 2010 iPhone here in Japan. I've told them all to hold off until June/July and they'll get a sweet phone with multitasking, hopefully 6MP camera, fast processor etc. I've convinced a lot of married couples too to switch from AU/Kddi and Docomo to SoftBank iPhone so they can get the free calls between friends and family.
This new iPhone is going to be a huge success.
*Btw, If multitasking is fixed with a 4.0 software update why did they wait this long?
I don't ever notice a decrease in performance or battery life when I leave programs open on my TP2.
I think this is a myth perpetuated by the higher-ups at Apple to keep people like you accepting of the fact that the iphone hasn't had multitasking (until now.)
Think about it. All this time Steve Jobs has said how the iphone doesn't need multitasking and cited the same reasons as you repeat here, but now they're adding it? It's just more of the same: Jobs says something that flies in the face of what people want, then people convince themselves they don't want it anymore. The same thing goes with flash.
doesn't the tp2 have a 1500mah battery and the 3gs a 1300?
if people want full blown os x on an iphone so what? it wouldn't work. as much as i have knocked apple (and will do so if i don't like something) they do try and put out the best product they can and most of their products are superior. i don't like the way they operate the company, i don't like the high prices. i don't like the disneyland icons and colors. but they make some dang good products.
Exactly. I work on a military installation. New officers arriving on station, depending on rank, are issued a Blackberry when they in-process. Certain environments simply aren't as adaptable or willing to accept a device like the iPhone. And with the majority of those that I know with a Blackberry, they'd part with it when it was pried from their cold, dead hands.
So what do you think Apple needs to do to stop RIM from pulling even further ahead? Or do you think it is already too late?
Running more programs use more RAM and use more CPU cycles. This slows down the performance and uses more of the battery. These are facts.
Jobs said multitasking will come to the iPhone but adding the unintelligent, all-you-eat solution of Android and WebOS is foolish. Just like with copy/paste, adding a half-assed solution is not a wise move for an advanced smartphone platform. Just look at the poor solutions on the Android and WebOS.
Their won't be 3rd-party apps for killing overly hungry processes or restarting the phone in the middle of the night to deal with memory leaks. Do if right or don't do it at all, but don't do a shit job just to put it on a spec sheet. In other words, it'll have to be user friendly and intuitive.
CPU priority for background tasks can be set to lowest or "Idle". Background tasks can also be paired up with CPU throttling if necessary. Basically, there are ways to make these apps exist in the background with absolute minimum drain on performance and battery life. So much so that a person would probably not notice it.
It's not like running AIM in the background will bring battery life down to >2 hours. The geniuses at Apple definitely can find a way to multitask.
There are even ways to simulate multitasking with property bags. In other words, save the exact state of an app on it's exit, so when you open it up again it's doing exactly what it did when you left off.
I've thought this through plenty seeing as how multitasking was something that was actually a selling point for me.
Look, I know people around here don't believe me, but I do NOT see any performance or battery hit when I leave apps open in the background. Things like Pandora, which require a constant stream are things I do notice a drain from, but that's because it's using the radio. Apps that use the radio are the ones I find drain the most, but if I leave something like Morphgear open (my SNES emulator) it makes no difference.
I think this is awesome news and I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised to find it's really not as bad as they think.
Finally a relevant posting. Will you choose the apps in the actual background app, similar to the dashboard in OS X with all the apps scrollable on the bottom? How about a shortcut where you can selectively choose 4 apps from your homescreen (similar to repositioning the apps), with a checkmark that comes up acknowledging the apps selected for the background play?
Stripping down the apps makes sense. All people really care about is being able to stream music. "fast user switching" of a couple apps would be nice. (Pandora, Mail, Safari).
Who says app switching is part of the deal. It makes sense that GCD (Grand Central Dispatch) _is_ part of the deal. That could just apply to audio output, pinging a server once in a while, and sending simple onscreen notifications (with the option to switch to the app). The application would likely otherwise "sleep" when it is not active. My guess is application switching will still be from the spring board. Maybe they will add a recently used applications section... but I don't see more then that.
That's exactly what I LOVE about the iPhone...I bought the 3GS weeks after it was released, and I made the purchase, knowing that for a full year I'd have the very best Apple had to offer.....
Would you feel even better if Apple delayed improvements to iOS for two years? Then you'd have the best for even longer.
Somehow, I suspect that the too-long time lapses between OS improvements is hurting, rather than helping.
Now back to the main topic. In the last two years, the iPhones x.0 beta were released in March. It strange that we still don't know if we will see a beta release this month or not, which in my opinion is caused by the iPad release. I am interested in seeing how Apple will implement multitasking it they do. I've always thought that the best way for them to do so is to require special approval for apps that require this feature. In other words, if a developer want to have his app to have the ability to run in the back ground then he/she will have to comply with specific set of rules and maybe a special APIs.
That is pretty much how I think it should and will come to to iPhone OS. There is no reason 99%+ apps should require backgrounding People don't need to run a crossword puzzle in the background because they haven't finished it and don't realize the data I auto-saved when they leave the app.
In fact, Pandora is the poster child for one of 3 apps that are ever mentioned for backgrounding, so why run every app in the background when it's faster just to launch it.
I think it'll be similar to Push Notifications. Apple will add the backgrounding APIs to the SDK. Devs with apps that woul benefitfeom
backgrounding will be added to your Settings where you can turn the feature on/off and then choose from a list of apps to run in the backgroud.
PS: I quite like the idea of 4 fingers on the touchscreen to bring up an Exposé of running apps. This seems fast and easy.
doesn't the tp2 have a 1500mah battery and the 3gs a 1300?
if people want full blown os x on an iphone so what? it wouldn't work. as much as i have knocked apple (and will do so if i don't like something) they do try and put out the best product they can and most of their products are superior. i don't like the way they operate the company, i don't like the high prices. i don't like the disneyland icons and colors. but they make some dang good products.
I don't know what the 3gs has, but yes, 1500mah on the tp2. I don't think the difference is enough to keep me away from scenarios like people are talking about here though. Even the difference between 1500 and 2000 is only an hour or so.
I agree Apple makes damn good products, which is where my respect for them comes from (definitely not from them being so controlling and anal about some stuff.) I think they will implement multitasking nicely and it will work as well as it does in WM. WM has been doing it for years actually. I can't believe nobody else has heard testimonials from WM users. I guess that just shows how small of a user base WM really has.
Please tell me which conclusions are odd or incorrect. I conclude that for the time period reported by the graph, Android is surging, the Blackberry is increasing its lead over the iPhone, and the iPhone is stagnating WRT market share.
Is any of that wrong? Can any additional conclusions be drawn?
While it may not be wrong in your mind I can tell you why it might seem off to others.
I don't know if you are a native English speaker so...please excuse the points I'm about to make, I don't mean to be condescending.
You can conclude from the graphs that for the time period "Android surged, Blackberry increased it's lead".." and the iPhone stagnated". Now your conclusions are correct.
You also, by choice of words, often show negativity towards the product which lends itself to seeming like a troll. Case in point: 'Stagnate' carries negative connotations while 'maintained', 'held' and such are inherently more neutral.
While words can generally mean the same, the feeling behind a single word or combination of words can make your opinion apparent, even when unintended.
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yes, it is sorta like the IBM pc. it sold so well cuz businesses thought 'ibm. safe. trustworthy. cheaper' and bought them by boatloads.
apple doesn't focus on enterprise much. i have used blackberrys for 4 years if i remember correctly. i just retired my bold and have no desire to go back to blackberrys. but honestly if i had to say what is probably the most secure mobile device when properly setup i would say blackberrys along with a corporate BES.
The iPhone is pretty big in the enterprise these days with most fortune 500 companies giving the option between a blackberry and an iPhone. Not to mention that the iPhone allows access to corporate VPNs and web applications which makes it better in certain situations. Personally, almost everyone I know who works in companies with at least 1,000 employees has a company issued iPhone (and I'm not counting Apple employees by the way).
Exactly. I work on a military installation. New officers arriving on station, depending on rank, are issued a Blackberry when they in-process. Certain environments simply aren't as adaptable or willing to accept a device like the iPhone. And with the majority of those that I know with a Blackberry, they'd part with it when it was pried from their cold, dead hands.
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
facts can be your friends: http://gizmodo.com/5490299/android-s...one-stalls-out
Facts are funny things-- they depend on how and when you gather them... and what other facts you choose to ignore:
Apple sees 98% iPhone growth as Microsoft, Google prepare for battle
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...or_battle.html
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Some reality: http://gizmodo.com/5490299/android-s...one-stalls-out
Android much more than doubled in usage since October. RIM is pulling even further ahead of Apple in users. And the proportion of iOS users has gone nowhere in that time period.
Some folks don't like facts.
you do realize without the BOGO promotions that both RIM and Android phones such as the Motorola Droid which was the big IPHONE KILLER (which is now old news and has to be given out for free with a purchase of one) that there numbers would be in half of the months shown, especially RIMM phones. And since there is basically ONE apple Iphone OS but different skus, clearly the iphone iOS is the winner by using your own props from Geezmodo...
there are so many android devices and OS, that there will never be a standout device specifically engineered for an Android OS, as we see google can not even decide what an android OS is..
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
The environment which I described could be described in many ways, but 'progressive' would not be remotely near the top of the list.
Where you work, are there still a significant percentage of people wanting a decent WinMo phone?
You wouldn't believe how many of my Japanese friends I've convinced to buy the new 2010 iPhone here in Japan. I've told them all to hold off until June/July and they'll get a sweet phone with multitasking, hopefully 6MP camera, fast processor etc. I've convinced a lot of married couples too to switch from AU/Kddi and Docomo to SoftBank iPhone so they can get the free calls between friends and family.
This new iPhone is going to be a huge success.
*Btw, If multitasking is fixed with a 4.0 software update why did they wait this long?
I don't ever notice a decrease in performance or battery life when I leave programs open on my TP2.
I think this is a myth perpetuated by the higher-ups at Apple to keep people like you accepting of the fact that the iphone hasn't had multitasking (until now.)
Think about it. All this time Steve Jobs has said how the iphone doesn't need multitasking and cited the same reasons as you repeat here, but now they're adding it? It's just more of the same: Jobs says something that flies in the face of what people want, then people convince themselves they don't want it anymore. The same thing goes with flash.
doesn't the tp2 have a 1500mah battery and the 3gs a 1300?
if people want full blown os x on an iphone so what? it wouldn't work. as much as i have knocked apple (and will do so if i don't like something) they do try and put out the best product they can and most of their products are superior. i don't like the way they operate the company, i don't like the high prices. i don't like the disneyland icons and colors. but they make some dang good products.
Exactly. I work on a military installation. New officers arriving on station, depending on rank, are issued a Blackberry when they in-process. Certain environments simply aren't as adaptable or willing to accept a device like the iPhone. And with the majority of those that I know with a Blackberry, they'd part with it when it was pried from their cold, dead hands.
So what do you think Apple needs to do to stop RIM from pulling even further ahead? Or do you think it is already too late?
But what about The Rest Of Us?
there is no point in trying to please someone like you anyway, so why try. I doubt you hold yourself to standards you claim others must adhere to...
Personally, I don't really know why the iPhone growth has vanished
iPhone growth has vanished to the point that shipments increased 98% y.o.y., more than any competitor.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...or_battle.html
You're not thinking it through.
Running more programs use more RAM and use more CPU cycles. This slows down the performance and uses more of the battery. These are facts.
Jobs said multitasking will come to the iPhone but adding the unintelligent, all-you-eat solution of Android and WebOS is foolish. Just like with copy/paste, adding a half-assed solution is not a wise move for an advanced smartphone platform. Just look at the poor solutions on the Android and WebOS.
Their won't be 3rd-party apps for killing overly hungry processes or restarting the phone in the middle of the night to deal with memory leaks. Do if right or don't do it at all, but don't do a shit job just to put it on a spec sheet. In other words, it'll have to be user friendly and intuitive.
CPU priority for background tasks can be set to lowest or "Idle". Background tasks can also be paired up with CPU throttling if necessary. Basically, there are ways to make these apps exist in the background with absolute minimum drain on performance and battery life. So much so that a person would probably not notice it.
It's not like running AIM in the background will bring battery life down to >2 hours. The geniuses at Apple definitely can find a way to multitask.
There are even ways to simulate multitasking with property bags. In other words, save the exact state of an app on it's exit, so when you open it up again it's doing exactly what it did when you left off.
I've thought this through plenty seeing as how multitasking was something that was actually a selling point for me.
Look, I know people around here don't believe me, but I do NOT see any performance or battery hit when I leave apps open in the background. Things like Pandora, which require a constant stream are things I do notice a drain from, but that's because it's using the radio. Apps that use the radio are the ones I find drain the most, but if I leave something like Morphgear open (my SNES emulator) it makes no difference.
I think this is awesome news and I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised to find it's really not as bad as they think.
Finally a relevant posting. Will you choose the apps in the actual background app, similar to the dashboard in OS X with all the apps scrollable on the bottom? How about a shortcut where you can selectively choose 4 apps from your homescreen (similar to repositioning the apps), with a checkmark that comes up acknowledging the apps selected for the background play?
Stripping down the apps makes sense. All people really care about is being able to stream music. "fast user switching" of a couple apps would be nice. (Pandora, Mail, Safari).
Who says app switching is part of the deal. It makes sense that GCD (Grand Central Dispatch) _is_ part of the deal. That could just apply to audio output, pinging a server once in a while, and sending simple onscreen notifications (with the option to switch to the app). The application would likely otherwise "sleep" when it is not active. My guess is application switching will still be from the spring board. Maybe they will add a recently used applications section... but I don't see more then that.
That's exactly what I LOVE about the iPhone...I bought the 3GS weeks after it was released, and I made the purchase, knowing that for a full year I'd have the very best Apple had to offer.....
Would you feel even better if Apple delayed improvements to iOS for two years? Then you'd have the best for even longer.
Somehow, I suspect that the too-long time lapses between OS improvements is hurting, rather than helping.
Now back to the main topic. In the last two years, the iPhones x.0 beta were released in March. It strange that we still don't know if we will see a beta release this month or not, which in my opinion is caused by the iPad release. I am interested in seeing how Apple will implement multitasking it they do. I've always thought that the best way for them to do so is to require special approval for apps that require this feature. In other words, if a developer want to have his app to have the ability to run in the back ground then he/she will have to comply with specific set of rules and maybe a special APIs.
That is pretty much how I think it should and will come to to iPhone OS. There is no reason 99%+ apps should require backgrounding People don't need to run a crossword puzzle in the background because they haven't finished it and don't realize the data I auto-saved when they leave the app.
In fact, Pandora is the poster child for one of 3 apps that are ever mentioned for backgrounding, so why run every app in the background when it's faster just to launch it.
I think it'll be similar to Push Notifications. Apple will add the backgrounding APIs to the SDK. Devs with apps that woul benefitfeom
backgrounding will be added to your Settings where you can turn the feature on/off and then choose from a list of apps to run in the backgroud.
PS: I quite like the idea of 4 fingers on the touchscreen to bring up an Exposé of running apps. This seems fast and easy.
doesn't the tp2 have a 1500mah battery and the 3gs a 1300?
if people want full blown os x on an iphone so what? it wouldn't work. as much as i have knocked apple (and will do so if i don't like something) they do try and put out the best product they can and most of their products are superior. i don't like the way they operate the company, i don't like the high prices. i don't like the disneyland icons and colors. but they make some dang good products.
I don't know what the 3gs has, but yes, 1500mah on the tp2. I don't think the difference is enough to keep me away from scenarios like people are talking about here though. Even the difference between 1500 and 2000 is only an hour or so.
I agree Apple makes damn good products, which is where my respect for them comes from (definitely not from them being so controlling and anal about some stuff.) I think they will implement multitasking nicely and it will work as well as it does in WM. WM has been doing it for years actually. I can't believe nobody else has heard testimonials from WM users. I guess that just shows how small of a user base WM really has.
I agree that partnering with only ATT was one of Apple's biggest mistakes.
BTW, this graph is more recent:
What's interesting to me is that RIM is pulling away, leaving Apple at an increasingly distant second-place.
It is to be expected that WinMo is dying, and it is sad that Palm is dying. It is no surprise that Android is surging.
But clearly Apple is losing badly to RIM, and that surprises me.
Adding to all observations above (US only -> one carrier, yearly cycle, major releases etc.) one more think to note:
- RIMM eats Microsoft's and Palm's lunch, not Apple's. Apple was stagnant in market share but grew in absolute numbers.
Apple is clearly showing no interest in gaining "market-share number" alone, this is Microsoft domain.
Technically, Apple has one phone. Look at how many different models RIM and Android have.
and dont forget the permanent BOGO on RIMMs and I see local BOGO on the motorola droids that everyone said was going to kill the iphone....
guess there are not geek/hobbyist phoniphiles to clear out inventory....
So what do you think Apple needs to do to stop RIM from pulling even further ahead? Or do you think it is already too late?
"Too late" for what? You seem to be looking for absolutes in scenarios where none can exist.
Please tell me which conclusions are odd or incorrect. I conclude that for the time period reported by the graph, Android is surging, the Blackberry is increasing its lead over the iPhone, and the iPhone is stagnating WRT market share.
Is any of that wrong? Can any additional conclusions be drawn?
While it may not be wrong in your mind I can tell you why it might seem off to others.
I don't know if you are a native English speaker so...please excuse the points I'm about to make, I don't mean to be condescending.
You can conclude from the graphs that for the time period "Android surged, Blackberry increased it's lead".." and the iPhone stagnated". Now your conclusions are correct.
You also, by choice of words, often show negativity towards the product which lends itself to seeming like a troll. Case in point: 'Stagnate' carries negative connotations while 'maintained', 'held' and such are inherently more neutral.
While words can generally mean the same, the feeling behind a single word or combination of words can make your opinion apparent, even when unintended.