Amazon releases free beta of Kindle for Mac eBook reading software

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  • Reply 21 of 40
    cylackcylack Posts: 26member
    Working great so far. This is a godsend for me. I'm in school in a third world country with no bookstores literally in the middle of nowhere. At least I can read books now on my Macbook.

    Wish they had made it 64 bit though.
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  • Reply 22 of 40
    wplj42wplj42 Posts: 439member
    I can't get it to work with VoiceOver! All Alex can see is an empty scroll area. Can't interact with it.



    Can't interact with text at all!!!
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  • Reply 23 of 40
    No search???



    Lame.
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  • Reply 24 of 40
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    1. The Store should be in the app.



    2. The prices are 2X too expensive.



    3. I'm convinced digital book files should be "FAR" cheaper than paper books. Because they are so quick and simple to get and cheap to produce, they should be cheap and instant. Even if publishers made half the money they do on them people would buy a lot more, and they'd end up making even more money than they do currently.



    The idea of digital books being priced next to the same price a real books is a joke. DId I say it was a joke. Pricing books in this way is only going to encourage stealing of digital books. These publishers literally have no clue.



    And that goes for iBooks too.



    Amen, glad I am not the only one saying this, it seems there a few intelligent people around. Ebooks should be given free too with every paper copy you buy. Absolutely no reason why these people should want you to pay double to have your paperback and an e version to read occasionally on your device, or to easily transport on trips.
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  • Reply 25 of 40
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NotTylerDurden View Post


    I think there is a mistaken idea that just because it's digital it's cheaper. The only part of the process that is reduced is the print quantity. The writer, editor, proof readers, Cover designer and Marketing to promote the book's release are all still the same costs as they were for a analog only version of the book. In fact they probably increased as the book is now marketed in both formats.



    Sure you can argue that your saving money on printing and distribution. But the print costs on 2 million books is actually less per book than the print costs for 1 million books. So while the over all bill is less each book costs more.



    In a world where there are no printed books and only ebooks, then you could see significant cost reductions. But honestly maintaining a dual system (both print and digital) is, in the beginning, going to be more expensive than doing one or the other. More people are involved in creating the finished product and marketing it.



    Sorry, but they are marketing the same book, no extra costs for marketing an e version. It might not be overwhelimingly cheaper to create an ebook but it is cheaper by a good margin. Ebooks free with every printed book should be the norm, wait, correction, should already have been the norm.



    If these clowns at amazon think I am not going to be using my libraries and bookcases at home, and just get a few bytes to store away on a device, and not have the physical item to leave on the coffee table they are seriously deluded. Too bad for them, because I am going to be downloading any pdf circulating on the net for free. Instead they could be offering an e copy with every book they sell and incite me to buy even more books, than the many I buy already. Nothing beats reading from a the printed paper yet, and for any time in the foreseeable future, no dog ears, to item to hand over to your friend o make a nice library at home, no pages to leaf through, nothing to turn into a nice gift to somebody. They can drm the shit out of the ebooks for all I care, but they have to offer them free with the print book. Period.
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  • Reply 26 of 40
    An action designed to slow the move from the Kindle to the iPad. Good luck with that. eBay will be full of used Kindles by year's end.
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  • Reply 27 of 40
    woohoo!woohoo! Posts: 291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post


    I can't get it to work with VoiceOver! All Alex can see is an empty scroll area. Can't interact with it.



    Can't interact with text at all!!!





    Uh, duh. So you can't copy and distribute the content naturally.



    Try this OCR, free. You can also take screen shots (command shift 3 or 4). Guess you could set up a script to automate it or use Quickkeys. Like a window to ask how many pages and hit run, page all the text on one document, add needed returns after each result, etc.



    Enterprise version does more at once and it's priced good too.



    http://solutions.weblite.ca/pdfocrx/
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  • Reply 28 of 40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post


    Too bad for them, because I am going to be downloading any pdf circulating on the net for free.



    Quote:

    They can drm the shit out of the ebooks for all I care, but they have to offer them free with the print book. Period.



    Or ? what? You're going on a crime spree? How is that any different, legally or morally, from telling the guy behind the counter at the deli that he'd better give you a free pickle with your sandwich or else you're going to hop over the counter and take one by force?



    Never mind, don't bother; I'll give you the answer: It isn't. And if I thought for one second that you were even slightly serious, I'd be concerned that you might not just be selfish and arrogant, but dangerously sociopathic. Instead, I'll just assume ? for the sake of my sanity ? that you're just another blowhard with a Web browser.



    Guys, seriously. Pause for a moment and think. You're totally free to say "Gosh, I wish they'd give me a pickle with my sandwich." You're even free to say, "Since you won't give me a free pickle with my sandwich, I'll go to another deli that will." Heck, you can even pass around a petition to try to make free pickles with every sandwich mandatory by law if you really want to invest the time.



    But you absolutely cannot take the pickle just because you've decided you're entitled to it. Whether you buy a sandwich or not, those are not your pickles, man. This is, like, day one of kindergarten stuff.
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  • Reply 29 of 40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post


    Or … what? You're going on a crime spree? How is that any different, legally or morally, from telling the guy behind the counter at the deli that he'd better give you a free pickle with your sandwich or else you're going to hop over the counter and take one by force?



    Analogy fail. It's like buying a sandwich, but only being able to eat it in the deli. You bought the freaking sandwich. Why shouldn't you be able to eat it in the park outside?



    And was it not you arguing that you were buying "the words, not the atoms?" If that's true, you should be able read those words via the method of your choosing.



    It's called fair use, and it's what makes, ripping your music, backing up your DVDs and pretty much any picture on Wikipedia possible.



    -Clive
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  • Reply 30 of 40
    wplj42wplj42 Posts: 439member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post


    Uh, duh. So you can't copy and distribute the content naturally.



    Try this OCR, free. You can also take screen shots (command shift 3 or 4). Guess you could set up a script to automate it or use Quickkeys. Like a window to ask how many pages and hit run, page all the text on one document, add needed returns after each result, etc.



    Enterprise version does more at once and it's priced good too.



    http://solutions.weblite.ca/pdfocrx/



    Duh! I suspected it would be hard to highlight text. But VoiceOver can't "see" anything. Therefore, a blind or low vision person is not going to be able to use it. Bummer!
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  • Reply 31 of 40
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    1. The Store should be in the app.



    2. The prices are 2X too expensive.



    3. I'm convinced digital book files should be "FAR" cheaper than paper books. Because they are so quick and simple to get and cheap to produce, they should be cheap and instant. Even if publishers made half the money they do on them people would buy a lot more, and they'd end up making even more money than they do currently.



    The idea of digital books being priced next to the same price a real books is a joke. DId I say it was a joke. Pricing books in this way is only going to encourage stealing of digital books. These publishers literally have no clue.



    And that goes for iBooks too.



    Regarding point #3... This is where publishers can include interactive content to add value. If done properly, e-books may actually be perceived as more desirable than their static cousins.
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  • Reply 32 of 40
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post


    Sorry, but they are marketing the same book, no extra costs for marketing an e version. It might not be overwhelimingly cheaper to create an ebook but it is cheaper by a good margin. Ebooks free with every printed book should be the norm, wait, correction, should already have been the norm.



    If these clowns at amazon think I am not going to be using my libraries and bookcases at home, and just get a few bytes to store away on a device, and not have the physical item to leave on the coffee table they are seriously deluded. Too bad for them, because I am going to be downloading any pdf circulating on the net for free. Instead they could be offering an e copy with every book they sell and incite me to buy even more books, than the many I buy already. Nothing beats reading from a the printed paper yet, and for any time in the foreseeable future, no dog ears, to item to hand over to your friend o make a nice library at home, no pages to leaf through, nothing to turn into a nice gift to somebody. They can drm the shit out of the ebooks for all I care, but they have to offer them free with the print book. Period.



    What if every e-book also entitled you to additional content that would be impossible in a printed version? For example, one on one interviews with the author, or "passes" to special online events, or unlockable individualized content (maybe even things I cannot imagine at this point)?
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  • Reply 33 of 40
    woohoo!woohoo! Posts: 291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post


    Duh! I suspected it would be hard to highlight text. But VoiceOver can't "see" anything. Therefore, a blind or low vision person is not going to be able to use it. Bummer!



    VoiceOver can't read pictures of text either.



    A blind or low vision person would be better off using Audiobooks or have someone convert the text graphic files to text so it can be read out loud.
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  • Reply 34 of 40
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member
    Funny - got an Amazon e-mail this morning pushing free downloads of Kindle for iPhone/iPod touch and ... Kindle for PC. No mention of Kindle for Mac, but when I clicked on "Kindle for PC" and downloaded it detected a Mac. Amazon asked if I wanted to download the Kindle for Mac app.



    Did so and installed it on a 13" MacBook, then downloaded "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" by Washington Irving - long out of copyright and an Amazon freebie. Readability seems pretty good. Lots of font size selections and the book can be toggled to full screen. Just a couple weird lines of coding appeared on the title page.



    My wife is still planning to buy an iPad and probably use Apple's iBook app. It'll be interesting to compare Kindle and iBook on the iPad, but I'm happy to see greater choice in the marketplace.



    Separately, as for those who would try to rip some author's copyrighted product, Apple's adage of "Don't Steal Music" should be extended to "Don't Steal Books." But if you're a thief and you have no scruples about depriving creative talent of compensation for their labor, you'll probably find a way to rip off ebooks. A little less risky than going into a bookstore and trying to stuff hard copies in your jacket or down your pants, don't you think?
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  • Reply 35 of 40
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    Regarding point #3... This is where publishers can include interactive content to add value. If done properly, e-books may actually be perceived as more desirable than their static cousins.



    Space and weight are assets from my perspective. Even without added features, I would pay equal price (to a paperback, not a hardcover) just to save that space. I switched from CD's to iTunes when the dropped DRM from their music for that very reason (despite the lower quality sound, my ears aren't great anyway). I will do the same for movies once digital copies are attractive enough and the same for books if I like the experience on the iPad (I won't buy a standalone reader at this point in time).



    I place a pretty high value on space (and weight if I have to move my collection).
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  • Reply 36 of 40
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post


    Analogy fail. It's like buying a sandwich, but only being able to eat it in the deli. You bought the freaking sandwich. Why shouldn't you be able to eat it in the park outside?



    And was it not you arguing that you were buying "the words, not the atoms?" If that's true, you should be able read those words via the method of your choosing.



    It's called fair use, and it's what makes, ripping your music, backing up your DVDs and pretty much any picture on Wikipedia possible.



    -Clive



    Thanks Clive, couldn't have said it better myself.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    What if every e-book also entitled you to additional content that would be impossible in a printed version? For example, one on one interviews with the author, or "passes" to special online events, or unlockable individualized content (maybe even things I cannot imagine at this point)?



    Look let's not split hairs here. You know what I am talking about. I love books, I read books, and I love books as items with everything that entails. I wouldn't mind if I didn't get a "feature rich" issue of a book (or rather an interactive bundle or whatever that might be) with my print book, or a dvd, but since I am buying the book I want a barebones e copy too, give it to me for an extra $1-$2 even and I won't whine.



    But ask me to pay double for both the print book (that I 'll eventually be forced to scan myself to have in any portable device should I wish to) and the ebook, and then you have very angry and resentful customer. And of course imho rightfully so. Cause these guys are saying, hey do you prefer the kindle version? No I don't f. prefer the kindle version, I want the print book sent to me AND the kindle version to use with your ebook reader that i paid good money to get in the first place. It's the same damn content, at least charge a minimum of storage fees.



    The publishing business is trying to pull a fast one, they envision themselves as the record business trying to sell the same content on tapes, then vinil, then cds, then mp3s, doubling, and tripling on the profit.



    Hey I am buying the print book but what If I go on a trip, won't I like to have the chance to read it on a portable device? Ok then, let me pay double the price for essentially the same file, that they have on their servers (it's not as if they have to scan every book). I hope this strategy will fail eventually.
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  • Reply 37 of 40
    Great app for those of us not yet ready to bail on our Kindles for the giant iTouch... err... I mean iPad. Seriously though $829 is too much for the only one I would want (64gb + 3g). And I think Mr. Jobs was pushing it when he dogged on netbooks at the iPad announcement. We'll see how close to netbook functionality you can get with an iPad. To me its sort of like comparing an Apple TV to a Mac Mini.
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  • Reply 38 of 40
    cnb3cnb3 Posts: 1member
    I think some of you are confusing multiple issues. One issue is Amazon's supposed "rip-off" of customers by charging them [here fill in amount that is more than you think Amazon should charge ] for ebooks, and presumably the same ripoff by all other sellers of ebooks for [more than what you think their price should be]. A second, admittedly somewhat related, BUT DIFFERENT issue is having to pay for both a hardcopy and an ecopy of the same book.



    Two things on the price issue. First, although when ebooks first become somewhat popular I too expected them to be vastly cheaper than hardcopy books, because, hey, I no longer need THE BOOK, much less the costs associated with printing, warehousing, and shipping it. However, after reflection, I came to the same mindset as that Tomfoolery expressed in his thoughtful 03-18-2010, 12:05 PM post. He is dead on, on all aspects. In particular, folks who think that ebooks should be "vastly" cheaper fail to consider the cost structure of the underlying products, and the impact a massive price drop would have on most authors and the overall business of providing good books to the masses. See, e.g.:



    http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2010/01...le-via-amazon/ (in particular the query "$9.99 is really expensive, you suck. eBooks should never cost this much" and the immediately following discussion)

    http://seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com/201803.html

    http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight...48.html#396969



    Second thought on pricing issues. From a personal standpoint I find the belief that, if the seller is charging more than you want to pay, screw them, I will go download it for free on the internet, revolting. People right, edit, proofread, market, illustrate, etc. etc. books for their living. When you steal one (and it is theft - you are taking the fruits of the labor of multiple people and refusing to pay them for it), you not only harm them, you also harm all the other authors, etc. whose work is supported by the better selling works. The profits from hits such as The Da Vinci Code allows publishers to publish unknown or simply less well-selling authors. Stop claiming that because something costs you the equiv of several Starbucks or a movie or two that gives you the right to steal it for free.



    The other issue - different from the flat out "how much should ebooks cost" point - raised by myapplelove and Clive above, is a good one though - why should you have to pay twice for both a hardcopy and an ecopy? Sure, it makes sense to pay twice if you want two actual hardcopies - but what is the additional cost of an ecopy over a hardcopy? (Well, actually, there is the cost of converting the file to .lit, and Kindle, etc. formats and re-proofing it, but that cost presumably isn't huge.) In fact, Amazon's whispersync, which automatically syncs your books over your Kindle, iPhone and computer, allowing you to read the same book from each, certainly cuts against the idea of having to pay separately for each different reading experience. I've thought for a while that purchasers of hardcopies from Amazon should have the ability to also purchase an ecopy, for a vastly discounted price. E.g., if I buy a new hardback on Amazon for $23.99, I should have the opportunity to also get a Kindle version for another, say, $3.00. If I buy a paperback for $10.99, I should be able to also get a Kindle version for another $2.00. To me, that is a win for everyone. Authors/publishers/Amazon get a (hardcopy) book sold, and they also get a few bonus extra dollars - which if this approach is a hit will really add up. Customers win, because they can get ancillary Kindle versions for the price of a cup of coffee. And I suspect far more people will check out and appreciate ebooks at that pricing.
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  • Reply 39 of 40
    irelandireland Posts: 17,801member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post


    Right. Cause nobody who disagrees with you could possibly be a reasonable human being, or have a legitimate point. That's just impossible.



    Are you rooting for Amazon or the customer? Cause the customer wants eBooks to cost less, considering they cost less.
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  • Reply 40 of 40
    mac voyermac voyer Posts: 1,295member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post


    I can't get it to work with VoiceOver! All Alex can see is an empty scroll area. Can't interact with it.



    Can't interact with text at all!!!



    Hang in there, Friend. iBooks will be compatible with VoiceOver on the iPad. If it moves to the iPhone and Mac, I feel certain iBooks will work with VoiceOver there, too. Why is Apple the only company that thinks about these things?
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