That's funny, since the cracked version floating around the internet had that problem a few years ago, and was actually addressed on the Adobe Website as being a problem with pirated software... Maybe you should just wish that your grandma gave you the money to buy them for xmas
Perhaps that the case but CS3 apps were quite crashy for me and my legitimate license even after multiple re-installs. Illustrator in CS3 and CS4 continues to just kill itself for no reason every so often.
Well I'm not one to complain about the cost... I'm privleged enough in my biz to earn it back "shortly".
Just wanna say that I'm excited again about CS5, if any of the video demos below make it into this release.
Actually, it will pay the cost of upgrading back even sooner. I'll just have to keep the "cat in the bag" for a while, because if "Patch-Matching" and "Content Aware Fills" work as advertised, some of my tedious, but pro tricks have just become essentially worthless. Uh oh!
I am really starting to dislike the business-model of Adobe. They soon must understand that they can not keep charging us customers for renewals every incremental update they make.
Other softwarevendors give these updates for free as a loyalty program to KEEP their customers - while Adobe as greedy as they are - still ask us to pay for the same software package again - and again - and again.
No wonder they could not get people to buy the socalled CS4 which was just CS3.1.
So stop this madness and start listening to your customers - not just your harvard executives...
It is a poor craftsperson who blames their tools. As a professional, if a tool is unacceptable, it is still unacceptable at half the price. Find a better tool and use that instead or if no satisfactory tool exists make one yourself.
Good luck with that hatred.
not hatered... it is a piece of shite. The problem is Adobe has no real competitors and whilst a program like photoshop may be the best in it's class, it works like software from the 1990's.
Adobe are lazy because there is no one pushing them
The more I hear from and about Adobe, the more I want Apple to develop their own modern Photoshop equivalent. Even just buy up Pixelmator and develop the bejeezus out of it. We need alternatives to Adobe's waste products.
(BTW. anyone wanna take bets on how long Adobe will hold out before discontinuing Mac development altogether and relying on Cider ports?)
We are a commercial printing company with around 30 employees, we have 5 people busy working with macs and CS3, software is not high on the agenda, especially in these hard times.
Adobe should consider their prices seriously; in the Netherlands we pay 712 euros for an upgrade from CS3 to CS4 (that is more than 900 dollars) and this times 5...
And is there really a need for upgrading? We don't need flash, web, iphone and so on, perhaps we are 'old-fashioned', but we are not the only company still using printing presses (and digital presses).
Our clients don't care what software we use, and although I love the new things, I cannot justify the costs and reasons to upgrade (for now anyway).
As far as I know CS4 has sold pretty bad, and Adobe has lost a good part of their sympathy with their ridiculous price differences outside the US (150 - 200% is not reasonable)...
I love the CS suite, but Adobe could use a little more competition...
Adobe, you're dead to me. We used to be best friends, but you became elusive and antisocial, took all my money and gave very little in return. Now you're like fat Elvis. Sure, people will buy your stuff, but long for the old days when it was actually worth a damn.
So sad. And happy I'm not so thick in the industry that I'm forced to upgrade.
@Superbass, I have $15,000 worth of paid-for CS3 licences here at the office. The software bugs and quitting issues cause at least several wasted hours each week (granted, that's spread over a whole team). I'm running a real business and this is real money.
What's wrong with Adobe fixing the issues before moving on to the next version? I'm sure most professional designers and firms would trade fewer upgrade cycles for better quality. We'd even pay more for it.
not hatered... it is a piece of shite. The problem is Adobe has no real competitors and whilst a program like photoshop may be the best in it's class, it works like software from the 1990's.
Adobe are lazy because there is no one pushing them
I've been a Dreamweaver and Fireworks user since the Macromedia days and became a CS user right after Adobe bought Macromedia and merge Dreamweaver and Fireworks into CS.
To this day Fireworks still crashes on exit which I have reported repeatedly complete with stack traces ever since CS3 and haven't even received a single reply not to mention that numerous updates later FW is still crashing on exit (because exiting an is a highly complex task).
On a four core Mac Pro with tons of RAM and disk PS takes minutes to load.
Dreamweaver is an increasingly bloated piece of crapware and don't even get me going on the fiasco I had with them over product activation.
Adobe doesn't suck because they make bad products, they suck because they release broken products and don't listen or at least respond to their customers.
As far as pushing Adobe is concerned, maybe not in a suite, but I found lots of other products that do what I want in lieu of the Adobe suite and I'm fairly confident that I won't be upgrading or ever going back to Adobe.
Pixelmator instead of PS
DrawIt instead of FW
Flux or Panic's Coda instead of DW
OmniGraffle instead of ID
All of which cost less brand new than half the upgrade price.
Like the UI generally, have been using Photoshop since 1.0, and Illustrator since "88" (yes, version 88, you'll probably have to look that up).
I think they're good products, I just wish Adobe cared a little more. As professional tools go, CS3 was a little buggy, and they crash every time I try to quit them to shut down.
I don't mind paying for the tools we use, but it's hard to justify the expence when we just bought everyone CS3 a year and a half ago.
Does anyone know what the cost implications are for skipping the CS4 upgrade? There's just no way we're going to upgrade every single time.
As I understand it, Adobe let's you update using serials that go back two versions of the current one. If you have CS 2 you will need to upgrade to CS5 else when V6 comes out you will have to buy it at the full price rather than the upgrade price. Adobe pricing is just way out of touch with the market and the value for each update is questionable. We finally have CS4 working properly and will probably skip 5 and 6 in the hopes that 7 will see all the 64 bit bugs worked out and all the plugins updated.
Once they started bundling all their apps in the 'Creative Suite' releases, they needed to have 'new' versions of all applications every time it was time for a new CS realease.
It didn't matter if there was anything worthwhile to add, just make some random changes to the interface and Adobe had something that at least 'looked' different. Just as long as all apps reached the deadline simutanously.
I've been using Adobe stuff for almost 20 years now, but the last couple of years Adobe didn't bring me anything spectacular. In fact I advised my employer to completely skip CS4 and wait for CS5 to come out. From what I see on Adobe's website I get the same upgrade-price anyways.
For me, CS4 was a godsend. In CS3, Dreamweaver was terrible, it crashed all the time, and every once in a while would overwrite my FTP sites with an old cached version, wiping out hours and hours of code work. When you are skinning Wordpress sites for multiple clients, this is disastrous. Never ever encountered that issue with DW CS4. Also, Photoshop CS4 works much better for me. Illustrator is a little buggy compared to the CS3 version but I only use it for creating small vector elements I then use in Photoshop.
If CS5 introduces a better interface, 64bit support, a higher Photoshop memory limit, and better OpenGL performance, everything else will be gravy.
For me, CS4 was a godsend. In CS3, Dreamweaver was terrible, it crashed all the time, and every once in a while would overwrite my FTP sites with an old cached version, wiping out hours and hours of code work. When you are skinning Wordpress sites for multiple clients, this is disastrous. Never ever encountered that issue with DW CS4. Also, Photoshop CS4 works much better for me. Illustrator is a little buggy compared to the CS3 version but I only use it for creating small vector elements I then use in Photoshop.
If CS5 introduces a better interface, 64bit support, a higher Photoshop memory limit, and better OpenGL performance, everything else will be gravy.
That's interesting. Within a week of installing cs4, out web dept downgraded dreamweaver to cs3 because of stability issues and as best I know, never went back to 4. I guess it might have to do with hardware, possible conflicts with other software, the OS version etc that makes each user experience different.
The worst is when they swallowed Macromedia (formerly Aldus).
As a former Quark employee of 13+ years I find it interesting that people now have such animus toward Adobe.
Back in the early to late 90s Adobe could do no wrong and Quark was the evil stepchild of Satan. I will, begrudgingly, conceed that Quark was not a customer friendly company, but it wasn't because the engineers and support people didn't want to put out the best product we could. It was more that certain "senior staff" had an arrogant belief that the product was so good anyone that used a competitors product was, to be diplomatic, "confused".
I can't help but wonder if Adobe now has the same attitude?
A minor correction, Macromedia was never Aldus. You might have meant Altsys as Macromedia did acquire Altsys to get Freehand and Adobe acquired Aldus to get Pagemaker and bought Macromedia in order to get Flash and to supress Freehand.
Bashing Adobe and Flash is so old. Apple has so many problems with their apps iWork'09 and many others including Aperture 3 and Safari. After nearly two years of working on Aperture, they still failed to even come close to Lightroom 2. iWork looks, feels and works like something students would make.
You all should move on with your lives and if you are not happy with Adobe apps, use iWork or MS Expression. Oh wait, Expression is Windows only.
I trust that I am not looking at another six hundred bucks or more to upgrade. 64-bit is what we expected for CS4. This had better be a much cheaper upgrade or we better be seeing many, many major new features.
Well?
I think this will answer that question:
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Adobe Systems Inc. announced the date during its quarterly earnings report Tuesday, in which the company revealed its profits fell 19 percent in its fiscal first quarter. But Chief Executive Shantanu Narayen said the company expects better results next quarter , which will feature the debut of the latest Creative Suite.
Investors are said to be optimistic about Adobe's next quarter , as CS5 is expected to outperform its predecessor. CS5 for Mac will feature a new version of the Photoshop graphics editor rewritten in Apple's 64-bit object-oriented Cocoa framework. The Windows version of Photoshop went 64-bit in 2008 with CS4.
They will probably raise upgrade prices since a lot of people want the new Flash to make iPhone apps without learning new code.
hey will probably raise upgrade prices since a lot of people want the new Flash to make iPhone apps without learning new code.
Learning new code is not as difficult as some think. Since building sophisticated Flash applications requires real programming skills not just amateur timeline animation skills, programmers can switch languages without too much difficulty.
Up until now Windows programmers would have to buy a Mac and learn an entirely new OS to get into iPhone programming. With CS5, Windows programmers can create applications on their platform of choice. I wonder how many iMac sales were due to former Windows users wanting to program for iPhone.
And lets not forget that Adobe is the first (as far as I'm aware) mainstream tools company to provide HTML5 Canvas creation support in its tools (illustrator and Dreamweaver): http://www.youtube.com/user/CS5ORG#p/u/1/JhjLlPegA8I
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That's funny, since the cracked version floating around the internet had that problem a few years ago, and was actually addressed on the Adobe Website as being a problem with pirated software... Maybe you should just wish that your grandma gave you the money to buy them for xmas
Perhaps that the case but CS3 apps were quite crashy for me and my legitimate license even after multiple re-installs. Illustrator in CS3 and CS4 continues to just kill itself for no reason every so often.
Just wanna say that I'm excited again about CS5, if any of the video demos below make it into this release.
Actually, it will pay the cost of upgrading back even sooner. I'll just have to keep the "cat in the bag" for a while, because if "Patch-Matching" and "Content Aware Fills" work as advertised, some of my tedious, but pro tricks have just become essentially worthless. Uh oh!
http://cs5.org/
Other softwarevendors give these updates for free as a loyalty program to KEEP their customers - while Adobe as greedy as they are - still ask us to pay for the same software package again - and again - and again.
No wonder they could not get people to buy the socalled CS4 which was just CS3.1.
So stop this madness and start listening to your customers - not just your harvard executives...
It is a poor craftsperson who blames their tools. As a professional, if a tool is unacceptable, it is still unacceptable at half the price. Find a better tool and use that instead or if no satisfactory tool exists make one yourself.
Good luck with that hatred.
not hatered... it is a piece of shite. The problem is Adobe has no real competitors and whilst a program like photoshop may be the best in it's class, it works like software from the 1990's.
Adobe are lazy because there is no one pushing them
(BTW. anyone wanna take bets on how long Adobe will hold out before discontinuing Mac development altogether and relying on Cider ports?)
We are a commercial printing company with around 30 employees, we have 5 people busy working with macs and CS3, software is not high on the agenda, especially in these hard times.
Adobe should consider their prices seriously; in the Netherlands we pay 712 euros for an upgrade from CS3 to CS4 (that is more than 900 dollars) and this times 5...
And is there really a need for upgrading? We don't need flash, web, iphone and so on, perhaps we are 'old-fashioned', but we are not the only company still using printing presses (and digital presses).
Our clients don't care what software we use, and although I love the new things, I cannot justify the costs and reasons to upgrade (for now anyway).
As far as I know CS4 has sold pretty bad, and Adobe has lost a good part of their sympathy with their ridiculous price differences outside the US (150 - 200% is not reasonable)...
I love the CS suite, but Adobe could use a little more competition...
So sad. And happy I'm not so thick in the industry that I'm forced to upgrade.
What's wrong with Adobe fixing the issues before moving on to the next version? I'm sure most professional designers and firms would trade fewer upgrade cycles for better quality. We'd even pay more for it.
not hatered... it is a piece of shite. The problem is Adobe has no real competitors and whilst a program like photoshop may be the best in it's class, it works like software from the 1990's.
Adobe are lazy because there is no one pushing them
I've been a Dreamweaver and Fireworks user since the Macromedia days and became a CS user right after Adobe bought Macromedia and merge Dreamweaver and Fireworks into CS.
To this day Fireworks still crashes on exit which I have reported repeatedly complete with stack traces ever since CS3 and haven't even received a single reply not to mention that numerous updates later FW is still crashing on exit (because exiting an is a highly complex task).
On a four core Mac Pro with tons of RAM and disk PS takes minutes to load.
Dreamweaver is an increasingly bloated piece of crapware and don't even get me going on the fiasco I had with them over product activation.
Adobe doesn't suck because they make bad products, they suck because they release broken products and don't listen or at least respond to their customers.
As far as pushing Adobe is concerned, maybe not in a suite, but I found lots of other products that do what I want in lieu of the Adobe suite and I'm fairly confident that I won't be upgrading or ever going back to Adobe.
Pixelmator instead of PS
DrawIt instead of FW
Flux or Panic's Coda instead of DW
OmniGraffle instead of ID
All of which cost less brand new than half the upgrade price.
</rant off>
Like the UI generally, have been using Photoshop since 1.0, and Illustrator since "88" (yes, version 88, you'll probably have to look that up).
I think they're good products, I just wish Adobe cared a little more. As professional tools go, CS3 was a little buggy, and they crash every time I try to quit them to shut down.
I don't mind paying for the tools we use, but it's hard to justify the expence when we just bought everyone CS3 a year and a half ago.
Does anyone know what the cost implications are for skipping the CS4 upgrade? There's just no way we're going to upgrade every single time.
As I understand it, Adobe let's you update using serials that go back two versions of the current one. If you have CS 2 you will need to upgrade to CS5 else when V6 comes out you will have to buy it at the full price rather than the upgrade price. Adobe pricing is just way out of touch with the market and the value for each update is questionable. We finally have CS4 working properly and will probably skip 5 and 6 in the hopes that 7 will see all the 64 bit bugs worked out and all the plugins updated.
It didn't matter if there was anything worthwhile to add, just make some random changes to the interface and Adobe had something that at least 'looked' different. Just as long as all apps reached the deadline simutanously.
I've been using Adobe stuff for almost 20 years now, but the last couple of years Adobe didn't bring me anything spectacular. In fact I advised my employer to completely skip CS4 and wait for CS5 to come out. From what I see on Adobe's website I get the same upgrade-price anyways.
If CS5 introduces a better interface, 64bit support, a higher Photoshop memory limit, and better OpenGL performance, everything else will be gravy.
For me, CS4 was a godsend. In CS3, Dreamweaver was terrible, it crashed all the time, and every once in a while would overwrite my FTP sites with an old cached version, wiping out hours and hours of code work. When you are skinning Wordpress sites for multiple clients, this is disastrous. Never ever encountered that issue with DW CS4. Also, Photoshop CS4 works much better for me. Illustrator is a little buggy compared to the CS3 version but I only use it for creating small vector elements I then use in Photoshop.
If CS5 introduces a better interface, 64bit support, a higher Photoshop memory limit, and better OpenGL performance, everything else will be gravy.
That's interesting. Within a week of installing cs4, out web dept downgraded dreamweaver to cs3 because of stability issues and as best I know, never went back to 4. I guess it might have to do with hardware, possible conflicts with other software, the OS version etc that makes each user experience different.
The worst is when they swallowed Macromedia (formerly Aldus).
As a former Quark employee of 13+ years I find it interesting that people now have such animus toward Adobe.
Back in the early to late 90s Adobe could do no wrong and Quark was the evil stepchild of Satan. I will, begrudgingly, conceed that Quark was not a customer friendly company, but it wasn't because the engineers and support people didn't want to put out the best product we could. It was more that certain "senior staff" had an arrogant belief that the product was so good anyone that used a competitors product was, to be diplomatic, "confused".
I can't help but wonder if Adobe now has the same attitude?
A minor correction, Macromedia was never Aldus. You might have meant Altsys as Macromedia did acquire Altsys to get Freehand and Adobe acquired Aldus to get Pagemaker and bought Macromedia in order to get Flash and to supress Freehand.
You all should move on with your lives and if you are not happy with Adobe apps, use iWork or MS Expression. Oh wait, Expression is Windows only.
I will not be buying Adobe Creative Suite 5. Period.
I trust that I am not looking at another six hundred bucks or more to upgrade. 64-bit is what we expected for CS4. This had better be a much cheaper upgrade or we better be seeing many, many major new features.
Well?
I think this will answer that question:
Adobe Systems Inc. announced the date during its quarterly earnings report Tuesday, in which the company revealed its profits fell 19 percent in its fiscal first quarter. But Chief Executive Shantanu Narayen said the company expects better results next quarter , which will feature the debut of the latest Creative Suite.
Investors are said to be optimistic about Adobe's next quarter , as CS5 is expected to outperform its predecessor. CS5 for Mac will feature a new version of the Photoshop graphics editor rewritten in Apple's 64-bit object-oriented Cocoa framework. The Windows version of Photoshop went 64-bit in 2008 with CS4.
They will probably raise upgrade prices since a lot of people want the new Flash to make iPhone apps without learning new code.
hey will probably raise upgrade prices since a lot of people want the new Flash to make iPhone apps without learning new code.
Learning new code is not as difficult as some think. Since building sophisticated Flash applications requires real programming skills not just amateur timeline animation skills, programmers can switch languages without too much difficulty.
Up until now Windows programmers would have to buy a Mac and learn an entirely new OS to get into iPhone programming. With CS5, Windows programmers can create applications on their platform of choice. I wonder how many iMac sales were due to former Windows users wanting to program for iPhone.
Having skipped the "upgrade" to CS4 as it would have cost our 2-person company $1200, my only question is: how much?
I don't care about improvements as I sure there are some.
I just care about the cost.
Agreed. I can't do six hundred bucks again this year. They had better consider the economy or face a major uptick in the torrent 'market.'
Content-Aware Fill (nice companion to Content Aware Scaling): http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/03/caf_in_ps.html
PatchMatch: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/06...e_radness.html
Greatly Improved Edge Detection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNR0n_IK7MM
3D Brushes & Warping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShE_jS8jLE
Painting Improvements: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8sEGVoTW9Q&NR=1
Content Aware Spot Healing: http://www.youtube.com/user/CS5ORG#p/u/14/X58evj9A8lg
And lets not forget that Adobe is the first (as far as I'm aware) mainstream tools company to provide HTML5 Canvas creation support in its tools (illustrator and Dreamweaver): http://www.youtube.com/user/CS5ORG#p/u/1/JhjLlPegA8I