Adobe evangelist lashes out at Apple over iPhone 4.0

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  • Reply 61 of 273
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    It's not a CPU hog on Windows 7. Perhaps if Apple just worked with Adobe instead of attacking them then we could all have a well written flash plug-in for mobile Safari, or better still, for Fennec. (yes, I can dream)



    Why does Apple need to work with Adobe to make Flash more efficient, when Adobe has all the tools necessary to make this happen, but as told by Adobe have been dragging their feet in the past. We has mac users have been irritated by Flash in Safari and its inefficient way of taking over CPU or making our computer act like Windows operating system (except Windows 7, have to give it its dues) and freeze up. Sorry but I want Apple to apply the pressure and ensure I have the best computing/mobile experience on my iPhone/iPad as possible without having to learn the technical know hows to resolve issues that should have been resolved by developer company.



    Flash was allowed on iPhone, there goes multitasking (9/10 from Apple, will worth the wait)vefficiency way of handling adds, since Flash would hog CPU and cause slow running of the phone (Flash in its present form).

    I agree Apple is trying to ensure that inefficient tools do not make their way into their ecosystem and destroy the positive experience majority of us are feeling every day with their hardware and software.

    Flash is not open source software and is controlled by one company Adobe, Apple have decided to control what goes on their systems, fair play to Apple.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Have you heard of Photoshop? It's quite popular, quite dominant, has about 100% share of the graphic design market.



    As for Flash, I'm with Adobe on this. Apple should just give people the option of installing a flash plug-in. Freedom is a beautiful thing, unless you're Steve Jobs, in which case, it's the enemy.



    Unfortunately what makes our experience of using Apple and its success, is the way Apple have controlled the installation of such inefficient software that may ruin the experience for the consumer. Freedom is beautiful thing, but sometimes people need to be controlled so that the end result, they do enjoy their freedom and don't get frustrated by situations that could have been controlled with a little outside help.
  • Reply 62 of 273
    woodewoode Posts: 67member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mark Fearing View Post


    Well, it's his job on the line when people start using real dev environments instead of script city.



    I parsed that as "script kiddie" somehow. Same thing, I guess.
  • Reply 63 of 273
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    Originally Posted by foad View Post


    Flash isn't even that good for playing video. It is just ubiquitous. There are plenty of other methods that are more optimal, including native formats. All Flash does in regards to video is put a layer on top of the video that it is streaming. That is why it was relatively easy for Apple to develop a YouTube app that plays the actual source video. It's also why you see so many of the TV networks with players on the iPad. They are just streaming the source videos.



    Microsoft was smart enough to provide server-side capability for Silverlight enabled sites like Netflix to stream the source videos to platforms that don't have Silverlight on them. That is why you see such broad distribution (iPad, PS3, XBOX, Wii, and soon even the iPhone) of Netflix players in the market.



    Well, what I meant was only useful purpose is for video. Not saying flash is any good at it.



    I laugh when people cite lack of flash as some sort of knock against iPhone. I'd say it's one of the best reason why iPhone is so much better mobile web device.



    Flash sucks ass and it has no place on your desktop or your mobile device.



    Unfortunately if Apple were to make this customer's option, all you ever hear is people botching about iPhone browser sucking ass. Because most people will install flash and have terrible experience an just blame Apple.
  • Reply 64 of 273
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,095member
    Those that don't adapt will wither away and die. Adobe had three years to get their act together and did absolutely squat. Instead of putting their resources to work and actually developing the next-generation of software and plug-ins, they ignorantly sat on their backside on the porch and watched the world go by.



    I have no sympathy for Adobe. They placed a good quantity of eggs in one basket. They should have known better. They bet that Apple needed them in the long run and Apple called their bluff.



    If Adobe seriously wanted to go under, they could conceivably drop all support for the Mac platform. However, we all know that Apple (and their $40B+ cash hoard) pretty much guarantees that they have a plan B in the works should Adobe pull out.
  • Reply 65 of 273
    mcarlingmcarling Posts: 1,106member
    If I were to have to choose between having Flash and having malware on my computer, I would probably keep Flash and get rid of the malware, but I would have think seriously about it before giving a final answer.
  • Reply 66 of 273
    wilwil Posts: 170member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kyle172 View Post


    History doesn't repeat itself, but it can



    Remember your comrades who stood up for you, and also helped define who you are, even though you were in the brink of destruction to loosing millions and fileing for Bankruptcy.



    I'm dissappointed with Apple and these lastest pesky moves it has decided tighten with loyal developers and users.



    Oh yeah, such as announcing that your video editing software would be Windows only , that Adobe will released their products first for Windows and port them later to the Macintosh Platform. Oh, remind me, where is that Photoshop Suite that was supposed to be built on Cocoa instead of Carbon? Apple made it simpler for Adobe by migrating their whole computer line to Intel based processors and how long ago was that ?? BTW, Adobe did not stood up for Apple during it's darkest days, if it was any other CEO, Adobe would had left Apple to die in 1999 or during the Mac OS X transition which btw, Apple bend over for Adobe by creating Carbon to help Adobe with the transition from OS 9 to OS X . Which of course, Abode botched that as well by providing Mac users a very inferior UI , bloated applications and oh , forced many Mac users to use OS 9 in order to use Adobe's software suites which also delayed the adoption of Mac OS X by many Mac based companies and users.



    Adobe should had thought about that in 2001 when it decided to support the Window OS all out and leave Apple and the Mac users behind.
  • Reply 67 of 273
    Well, I am no developer, just a person who has a beautiful website, that moves elegantly and displays my photography and video in spectacular fashion. It has won awards and brought me a lot of business. It is a Flash site.



    I am also huge Apple fan, a stockholder, and owner of almost every Apple since the II+.



    And, I have had Photoshop since day 1.



    I am perturbed by this pissing contest, but am resigned to live with it. I'll just make a dumbed down version of my site for the iPhone and go on from there.
  • Reply 68 of 273
    seek3rseek3r Posts: 179member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by philipm View Post


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    Adobe can and should do better. Not to say Apple couldn't be nicer to them, but that's not the Steve way. Ask IBM and Motorola.



    I was with you up to this point.



    A) Adobe's stance on carbon should not mean that apple gets a free pass on trying to maintain complete control of the iphoneOS dev toolchain in such a manner.



    B) Do you *really* think that IBM really hurt much by losing Apple? Apple didnt exactly make up a large piece of IBM's business, nor motorola's really. Between those companies you have the chips in nearly every current set-top box, microwave, gaming system... the list goes on (not to mention all the other areas Big Blue and motorola are in)
  • Reply 69 of 273
    alandailalandail Posts: 755member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wil View Post


    Oh, remind me, where is that Photoshop Suite that was supposed to be built on Cocoa instead of Carbon?



    isn't that what CS5 to be announced on Monday to ship in May is?
  • Reply 70 of 273
    alandailalandail Posts: 755member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mistergreen View Post


    Well, I am no developer, just a person who has a beautiful website, that moves elegantly and displays my photography and video in spectacular fashion. It has won awards and brought me a lot of business. It is a Flash site.



    I am also huge Apple fan, a stockholder, and owner of almost every Apple since the II+.



    And, I have had Photoshop since day 1.



    I am perturbed by this pissing contest, but am resigned to live with it. I'll just make a dumbed down version of my site for the iPhone and go on from there.



    no need to dumb down anything - what does your web site do that can't be done in HTML5?
  • Reply 71 of 273
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Apple is already paying the price of adapting WebKit to the severe inadequacies of Adobe Flash.



    Why should Apple pay for yet another Adobe-created mess on the iPhone/iPad and have iPhone/iPad users be upset at the uneven performance of the system?



    How many people work at Adobe? How many people would have otherwise bought CS5? Isn't better for Apple to make the relative few at Adobe upset?
  • Reply 72 of 273
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post


    I don't think we should automatically assume Apple has the upper-hand here. If Adobe's CS Suite wasn't available for the Mac platform, I bet a lot less people would be using the platform.



    It could be far worse than you think:



    What if Apple were intentionally harming Adobe's market cap to prep for a hostile takeover within a year or two after the price drops far enough?



    Then there would indeed be a CS Suite for the Mac - and only for the Mac.



    Remember, Apple maintains $7 billion in cash reserves....
  • Reply 73 of 273
    no one has mentioned the app store.



    let Flash on the iPhoneOS platform (even using Apple's offered APIs) and what do you think will happen to the app store?



    I bet overnight you would have a Flash centric equivalent chewing into Apple's revenue...



    Don't get me wrong, I couldn't careless about Flash and look forward to the H5 evolution.



    I see all of this "hoo-har" simply as Apple executing well planned business strategies.



    First the iPod, (Spleen vent some more Sony as you had this market pre Y2K)



    Then Apple blew the smartphone industry apart (Nokia & co. sat on their proverbial arse here)



    And now Apple have some rock'n mobile devices as platforms for information/media delivery. (took Google a while to realise the need for this also)



    And with the iAd demo I watched the other day... I expect to see the equivalent of the iTunes purchasing-of-songs model start all over again...



    Oh, and ebooks has to be slot in the above somewhere also...



    It just makes you wonder what industry is about to be Appleised next. TV anyone?
  • Reply 74 of 273
    successsuccess Posts: 1,040member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post


    It could be far worse than you think:



    What if Apple were intentionally harming Adobe's market cap to prep for a hostile takeover within a year or two after the price drops far enough?



    Then there would indeed be a CS Suite for the Mac - and only for the Mac.



    Remember, Apple maintains $7 billion in cash reserves....



    What he said.
  • Reply 75 of 273
    alandailalandail Posts: 755member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post


    It could be far worse than you think:



    What if Apple were intentionally harming Adobe's market cap to prep for a hostile takeover within a year or two after the price drops far enough?



    Then there would indeed be a CS Suite for the Mac - and only for the Mac.



    Remember, Apple maintains $7 billion in cash reserves....



    it's more like $40 billion in cash reserves, or more than twice Adobe's current market cap.
  • Reply 76 of 273
    [QUOTE=bvz;1609672]I love all things Apple. I use OSX all day and really love it. I promote Macs to all of my friends in an effort to get them off of the nightmare that is Windows. I own an iPhone. I will be buying an iPad. And I want Apple to go fsck them selves right now.





    I have been reading AI for quite a while and this is my first post. I am getting sick of the direction that things have been going in IT. I go back to CP/M days and am a long time user of Unix systems. I have used every version that Microsoft has put out with the exception on 7, I am through with them.



    When Apple went to Unix I thought this is cool and I bought my first Apple with a G4 processor. I liked it very much but could not recommend it because of the price. When they went to Intel and I could run any operating system that I wanted I started to become very excited about the product. I started to recommend it to many people who switched from Windows. What I liked was the openness that no other product could match. The price now seemed fair.



    If Apple continues with the BS that they have been up to of late, I will move on again. This is sad for me. Apple is starting to act very much like MS and will end up in the same type of trouble that they had with anti-trust. Before you try to say that they are a small player and can do what they want with there system. They are starting to be the dominate player in the mobile field and are going to have to start to play by another set of rules if things keep going in this direction.



    Apple has come back from the brink and I hope that they can get there act together and kick ass. If not I for one will move on.
  • Reply 77 of 273
    alandailalandail Posts: 755member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple Ambivalent View Post


    Apple has come back from the brink and I hope that they can get there act together and kick ass. If not I for one will move on.



    what if this move you are upset about is part of their getting their act together to "kick ass" in that it is directly related to supporting multiple apps running as AppleInsider has suggested? What if their efficient implementation of multiprocessing apps to call their APIs instead of bypassing them?
  • Reply 78 of 273
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    One question I have re HTML 5 is whether there are any products out there to facilitate the creation of content? Noone seems to have addressed this point. If not, then saying "use html5" is akin to giving someone a screwdriver, some ply, and a saw and telling some one to build a box. Flash development I suspect would already have the box defined and you would declare its dimensions.
  • Reply 79 of 273
    You could build your beautiful, award winning site in something other than a web plug-in. Are you saying that Flash is THE only interactive medium for ...the Internet? Or the best? Or just the one you decided to use and can, therefore, decide to do it in some other way. I think Flash is over used and often supplies plenty of smoke, but actually limits the amount of real information (fire). The most useful sites seem to be sites built outside of Flash. Though I love animated intros! Oh Yeah!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mistergreen View Post


    Well, I am no developer, just a person who has a beautiful website, that moves elegantly and displays my photography and video in spectacular fashion. It has won awards and brought me a lot of business. It is a Flash site.



    I am also huge Apple fan, a stockholder, and owner of almost every Apple since the II+.



    And, I have had Photoshop since day 1.



    I am perturbed by this pissing contest, but am resigned to live with it. I'll just make a dumbed down version of my site for the iPhone and go on from there.



  • Reply 80 of 273
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by scottkrk View Post


    The change in the SDK agreement is the push and iAd is the pull from Apple to help move towards HTML5.



    I hope Apple release good HTML5 authoring tools so iPhone developers can make money form Apps and money from writing the Ads!



    Then Apple would be providing a push, a pull, and a steel-toed boot to the groin (for Adobe).
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