No USB 3.0 or eSATA. Just a performance bump. Better than nothing I guess. The 1680x1050 resolution on the 15" model is nice.
USB 3.0 would be ok. Do you really think adding eSATA is even on Apple's roadmap for their portables? If you do you may want to look elsewhere. It's just not going to happen because they have no good reason to add it.
Then again I guess you had to find SOMETHING to complain about.
Does this Auto graphics switching thing mean the machine is going to be using the integrated intel video and my main system memory? If so is there a way to force this not to use the integrated graphics so it doesn't use my system memory? I don't want to be giving up system ram for anything video if there is discrete video ram.
Exactly. This is why I was wondering if it's possible to override the auto setting.
An i3 in the 13" would have been perfect but we can't have everything I guess.
Next refresh will get one.
They stuck with the Core2 so they wouldn't need to do the dual graphics chipset thing. The next refresh will not change anything unless Intel changes their policies that don't allow other vendors to put a GPU in a chipset. I have not looked at the benchmarks, but there may be very little difference between the i3 and the Core2 anyway.
Nice refresh. The only thing I'm concerned about is the Intel HD graphics...
Anyone have any specs for the Intel HD integrated graphic cards? I can't imagine that it's a step backwards from the integrated Nvidia cards in the older models, but I haven't heard a good thing about Intel's integrated offering for quite some time now.
Exactly..... let me pre-empt the whiners: No Blu Ray, matte, touch screen, USB3, pixie dust, 20-hour battery, user-removable battery..... moan moan.......
Get on with it, folks!
I'm actually quite disappointed the 13" MBP didn't get an i3 or i5 cpu. I really would like to replace my nearly 4 year old MBP with a new machine but this isn't enough of an upgrade for me to pry open my wallet.
Apple is making it easy for me to behave in a financially prudent manner in this difficult economic times.
Anyone have any specs for the Intel HD integrated graphic cards? I can't imagine that it's a step backwards from the integrated Nvidia cards in the older models, but I haven't heard a good thing about Intel's integrated offering for quite some time now.
As I understand it, for most operations it's on a par with the older integrated NVidia cards, for the rest it's slower. Not great considering the age of that older Nvidia card. But, none of the MacBook Pros have the Intel HD graphics as their sole graphics chip, so I don't see a problem. For many tasks, even the capabilities of the Intel HD graphics chip are overkill.
No USB 3.0 or eSATA. Just a performance bump. Better than nothing I guess. The 1680x1050 resolution on the 15" model is nice.
USB 3 will come when it is built-in to chipsets. eSATA may never come to the Mac this late in the game. I think Apple is more likely to go for LightPeak next year. You could always get the 17" model and get an express card though.
I'm actually quite disappointed the 13" MBP didn't get an i3 or i5 cpu. I really would like to replace my nearly 4 year old MBP with a new machine but this isn't enough of an upgrade for me to pry open my wallet.
Apple is making it easy for me to behave in a financially prudent manner in this difficult economic times.
My 10 month old MBP is also fine for now. I suggest avoiding an Apple Retail Store and fondling the iPad. Prudence might give way to impulse in a New York minute.
USB 3.0 would be ok. Do you really think adding eSATA is even on Apple's roadmap for their portables? If you do you may want to look elsewhere. It's just not going to happen because they have no good reason to add it.
Then again I guess you had to find SOMETHING to complain about.
-Mayes
Either USB 3.0 or eSATA. Honestly though, I didn't really expect eSATA. But you were right, I needed something to complain about.
USB 3 will come when it is built-in to chipsets. eSATA may never come to the Mac this late in the game. I think Apple is more likely to go for LightPeak next year. You could always get the 17" model and get an express card though.
Yes, it's been suggested. OWC has an eSATA adapter for $40.
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No USB 3.0 or eSATA. Just a performance bump. Better than nothing I guess. The 1680x1050 resolution on the 15" model is nice.
USB 3.0 would be ok. Do you really think adding eSATA is even on Apple's roadmap for their portables? If you do you may want to look elsewhere. It's just not going to happen because they have no good reason to add it.
Then again I guess you had to find SOMETHING to complain about.
-Mayes
Does this Auto graphics switching thing mean the machine is going to be using the integrated intel video and my main system memory? If so is there a way to force this not to use the integrated graphics so it doesn't use my system memory? I don't want to be giving up system ram for anything video if there is discrete video ram.
Exactly. This is why I was wondering if it's possible to override the auto setting.
Only 'cause SJ says it is.
That has ALWAYS been enough!
Nice update.
An i3 in the 13" would have been perfect but we can't have everything I guess.
Next refresh will get one.
They stuck with the Core2 so they wouldn't need to do the dual graphics chipset thing. The next refresh will not change anything unless Intel changes their policies that don't allow other vendors to put a GPU in a chipset. I have not looked at the benchmarks, but there may be very little difference between the i3 and the Core2 anyway.
Anyone have any specs for the Intel HD integrated graphic cards? I can't imagine that it's a step backwards from the integrated Nvidia cards in the older models, but I haven't heard a good thing about Intel's integrated offering for quite some time now.
Exactly..... let me pre-empt the whiners: No Blu Ray, matte, touch screen, USB3, pixie dust, 20-hour battery, user-removable battery..... moan moan.......
Get on with it, folks!
I'm actually quite disappointed the 13" MBP didn't get an i3 or i5 cpu. I really would like to replace my nearly 4 year old MBP with a new machine but this isn't enough of an upgrade for me to pry open my wallet.
Apple is making it easy for me to behave in a financially prudent manner in this difficult economic times.
Nice update! GT 330M *drools*
The 2.53 GHz, 17-inch MacBook Pro $2,299
Adobe Creative Suite 5 Master Collection $2,599
Just sayin'.
Nice refresh.
Anyone have any specs for the Intel HD integrated graphic cards? I can't imagine that it's a step backwards from the integrated Nvidia cards in the older models, but I haven't heard a good thing about Intel's integrated offering for quite some time now.
As I understand it, for most operations it's on a par with the older integrated NVidia cards, for the rest it's slower. Not great considering the age of that older Nvidia card. But, none of the MacBook Pros have the Intel HD graphics as their sole graphics chip, so I don't see a problem. For many tasks, even the capabilities of the Intel HD graphics chip are overkill.
OK:
WTF? Still no bluray
I know.. WTF. Well at least we can still hear the fans blowing when we visit Flash sites.
Oh wait, let me guess. The MacBooks still don't come with backlit keyboards. LOL !!!
Apple has insisted for like 10 years now that backlit keyboards are a PRO feature.
Go pro and enjoy a Mystic Wizard Blue backlit keyboard.
Released within a day of each other:
The 2.53 GHz, 17-inch MacBook Pro $2,299
Adobe Creative Suite 5 Master Collection $2,599
Just sayin'.
YES! Well done.
No USB 3.0 or eSATA. Just a performance bump. Better than nothing I guess. The 1680x1050 resolution on the 15" model is nice.
USB 3 will come when it is built-in to chipsets. eSATA may never come to the Mac this late in the game. I think Apple is more likely to go for LightPeak next year. You could always get the 17" model and get an express card though.
I'm actually quite disappointed the 13" MBP didn't get an i3 or i5 cpu. I really would like to replace my nearly 4 year old MBP with a new machine but this isn't enough of an upgrade for me to pry open my wallet.
Apple is making it easy for me to behave in a financially prudent manner in this difficult economic times.
My 10 month old MBP is also fine for now. I suggest avoiding an Apple Retail Store and fondling the iPad. Prudence might give way to impulse in a New York minute.
USB 3.0 would be ok. Do you really think adding eSATA is even on Apple's roadmap for their portables? If you do you may want to look elsewhere. It's just not going to happen because they have no good reason to add it.
Then again I guess you had to find SOMETHING to complain about.
-Mayes
Either USB 3.0 or eSATA. Honestly though, I didn't really expect eSATA. But you were right, I needed something to complain about.
USB 3 will come when it is built-in to chipsets. eSATA may never come to the Mac this late in the game. I think Apple is more likely to go for LightPeak next year. You could always get the 17" model and get an express card though.
Yes, it's been suggested. OWC has an eSATA adapter for $40.
OK:
WTF? Still no bluray
No 1080p. No eSata.
**insert obligatory Apple complaint here**
There are 185,000 apps in the App Store and these MacBook Pros can't run any of them!
Unless I can install any app I want to on my portable it is not a real computer.
No touch screen, no accelerometer, no option for 3G... No deal!
The link seems to suggest that the integrated Intel HD graphic chips are worse than the Nvidia offering in the previous models? ?