SproutCore debuts new HTML5 web development tools

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  • Reply 21 of 71
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    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    Apple prevented the founder of Sproutcore from giving the talk at JSConf. Do you really want to invest in a framework where Apple prevents the lead developer from talking about what SC is doing?



    It's licensed under the MIT license which is very liberal and flexible -- much more so than GPL in fact. Do you really want to invest in a platform tightly locked down by the GPL? (ie, Android?)
  • Reply 22 of 71
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    Originally Posted by SinisterJoe View Post


    It's licensed under the MIT license which is very liberal and flexible -- much more so than GPL in fact. Do you really want to invest in a platform tightly locked down by the GPL? (ie, Android?)



    I'm not talking about Android, and android is not a web app framework.
  • Reply 23 of 71
    bdekokbdekok Posts: 10member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    Do you understand how this stuff works?



    I find this article extremely interesting and would like to see constructive comments on it. But I find it annoying that the ony person who is extemely negative is you. And that all 6 posts you've done seem to be on this topic. Interesting.
  • Reply 24 of 71
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
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    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    *sigh* stop being an apologist. You're telling me that the multitouch api in webkit isn't important? It's just as important as any mouse event. The only difference is that there isn't a standardize way to do it? so now anyone who wants to implement a browser with a multitouch API will have to add their own implementation to webkit?



    Google's sandboxing is built into chrome, not webkit. They didn't take it out after the fact because they didn't want to contribute it back to webkit. That said, Chromium (the Chrome browser) is open source?



    Apple should not silence the developers of sproutcore.



    Are you mentally challenged?



    He's employed by Apple.



    http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesjolley
  • Reply 25 of 71
    mrpiddlymrpiddly Posts: 406member
    Web development, despite progress, still sucks and cannot be fixed with frameworks and more abstraction.
  • Reply 26 of 71
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
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    Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post


    Although it appears to not be intended, this seems to argue that there will still be a place for Flash once HTML5 adoption has peaked: the creation of self-contained animations.



    Not exactly. It would just mean a different tool would be used to generate HTML5 output.
  • Reply 27 of 71
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Are you mentally challenged?



    He's employed by Apple.



    http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesjolley



    You missed my first post? They were going to take his job away if he gave the demo.
  • Reply 28 of 71
    ihxoihxo Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    You missed my first post? They were going to take his job away if he gave the demo.



    I see you don't see the conflict of interest... nvm then.
  • Reply 29 of 71
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    Originally Posted by ihxo View Post


    I see you don't see the conflict of interest... nvm then.



    Apple has their reasons, but they won't let their lead developer speak publically. :/
  • Reply 30 of 71
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    You missed my first post? They were going to take his job away if he gave the demo.



    He would have violated the terms of his NDA. Then again you've never worked at Apple.
  • Reply 31 of 71
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    He would have violated the terms of his NDA. Then again you've never worked at Apple.



    His NDA regarding his work on open source software? My point...
  • Reply 32 of 71
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by esummers View Post


    Not exactly. It would just mean a different tool would be used to generate HTML5 output.



    However the article says the real intent of HTML5 is "not to create self-contained animations but rather to build real web content focused on semantic page markup". By implication then, if Flash's primary intent is (or becomes) to provide self-contained animations, then Flash may live on by providing a better developer and user experience than HTML5 (and its associated tools) in this particular area.
  • Reply 33 of 71
    From the description of this technology, it sounds like it violates Apple's recent terms of service. It enables developers to build programs not using standard HTML 5, and not using Objective C.



    Seems like a double standard. So what else is new?



  • Reply 34 of 71
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    That means that while companies like Adobe are likely to eventually add support for HTML5 output from their code generating apps like Dreamweaver, the majority of legitimate HTML5 development will continue the same way enabling new technologies like AJAX have developed: websites built by developers using coding tools, rather than designer tools that automatically generate code intended to create content that looks the same no matter the medium.



    Adobe is missing a huge opportunity to be out in front of the HTML5 tools market. Baffling...
  • Reply 35 of 71
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    Originally Posted by ecologylab View Post


    From the description of this technology, it sounds like it violates Apple's recent terms of service. It enables developers to build programs not using standard HTML 5, and not using Objective C.



    Seems like a double standard. So what else is new?







    Apple specifically mentioned Javascript in 3.3.1 in the allowed languages, along with C and C++. but then again, apple does not control SC.
  • Reply 36 of 71
    damn_its_hotdamn_its_hot Posts: 1,210member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    His NDA regarding his work on open source software? My point...



    The 2 are not mutually exclusive. You can have an NDA and be working on open source - just because he is working on open source does not mean ALL he does for Apple is to be freely discussed.



    I have read all you rants to this point but I seemed to have missed the one where you gave any backup to you claims that Apple was muzzling him or threatening to fire him.



    If you have something new feel free to respond - if not we have all heard over and over how we "fail to understand".



    Hope you have a better day - seem awfully frustrated at this point.
  • Reply 37 of 71
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    Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post


    The 2 are not mutually exclusive. You can have an NDA and be working on open source - just because he is working on open source does not mean ALL he does for Apple is to be freely discussed.



    I have read all you rants to this point but I seemed to have missed the one where you gave any backup to you claims that Apple was muzzling him or threatening to fire him.



    If you have something new feel free to respond - if not we have all heard over and over how we "fail to understand".



    Hope you have a better day - seem awfully frustrated at this point.



    Talk to him yourself. Like I said, he's not difficult to reach.
  • Reply 38 of 71
    meelashmeelash Posts: 1,045member
    Good to see some healthy competition getting on between sproutcore and cappuccino.



    Atlas is already available as beta, but it's not really close to feature-complete, so greenhouse has more than enough chance to catch up.



    Cappuccino is also working on touch as well...
  • Reply 39 of 71
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleLover1234 View Post


    His NDA regarding his work on open source software? My point...



    Having worked at NeXT, Apple, Platinum International and others, my NDA is my boundary for employment, period, without question.



    You don't like it you don't sign it and you don't get the job.
  • Reply 40 of 71
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrpiddly View Post


    Web development, despite progress, still sucks and cannot be fixed with frameworks and more abstraction.



    ditto
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