Aside form the stunning illegality of this move (taking it apart), I wonder if any of them had the brains to use gloves. You gotta figure Apple is going to fingerprint and test for DNA on every surface.
Why is it illegal to take it apart?
And even if that is illegal, would it also be illegal to touch the disassembled phone and leave a fingerprint on it? Or to sneeze near it and leave some DNA?
I felt that disclosing the looks of the new device was bad, but revealing the insides after Apple asked for it to be returned is crossing the line here.
Hope Apple has a case and sues Gizmodo to the very last cent.
Why wouldn't they include AI in such a lawsuit? AI revealed the insides too.
this would mean that apple iPhone 3GS sales will decline since people from around the world will wait for the said 4th Gen iPhone whom Gizmodo dissect.. Damn Good!!! Hope the said Processor will be much more faster than 800Mhz..
Let's not get caught up on processor speed again! There are many ways to speed up the iPhone while still being mindful of efficiency. The 4Gen will no doubt be faster than the 3Gs, that's all that matters. It doesn't need to match the iPad, it just needs to best the 3Gs. And as long as it can keep up with its new features, speed might actually not be as important after all.
It's a myth that OLED displays are more efficient. The full story is more complicated than that. Conventional displays are constantly backlit and consume the same amount of power no matter what's being shown on screen. OLEDs generate light at the pixel level. When they're showing dark images their power consumption is reduced, but with bright images it's high. So relative efficiency is a solid "it depends."
I agree, plus the LCD on the iPhone works great in direct sunlight. When I'm outside with my 3Gs I find it performs best when I have the sun shining right on it and allow the pixels to reflect back. There's no way you can do that with an OLED screen.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Did you cellphone in 2003 have a touchscreen? What about apps of a similar complexity to those in the app store? Was it as thin as the iPhone? Who's behind who? You can't pick features from various phone and claim that the iPhone is behind the game. You need to find one phone that had every feature the iPhone has plus all the "missing" ones to say that Apple is behind the game.
PS. My last phone had a user replaceable battery. I never replaced the battery, but the battery cover started falling off after a couple years and lint found its way into nook and cranny of the device, including in front of the screen.
And even if that is illegal, would it also be illegal to touch the disassembled phone and leave a fingerprint on it? Or to sneeze near it and leave some DNA?
C'mon. You can't be serious.
It's illegal to take it apart because they don't own it, and it's a top-secret prototype. Both of which they knew at the time they took it apart.
Apple and their lawyers/investigators (if they want to follow this up at all that is), will undoubtedly be establishing a time-line of events, what the principals said they did with it and when etc., and one easy way to confirm or deny those stories would be to test the product for traces of who handled it. This is fairly standard and just common-sense in these kind of situations.
For instance if fingerprints or DNA of the guy who originally stole it are found *inside* then he's in a lot of trouble. I was just saying it would be fairly standard procedure to test for those kinds of things.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. ...
You should be happy then.
The new iPhone is extremely easy to open. Remove the two easily accessible Philips head screws, place a suction cup on the back, pull, and you're in. The new battery lifts out easily with the handy plastic tab included.
The new iPhone is extremely easy to open. Remove the two easily accessible Philips head screws, place a suction cup on the back, pull, and you're in. The new battery lifts out easily with the handy plastic tab included.
That still isn't a user-removable battery, which is what he is referring to. But it's a silly request when it's easier and battery jut to carry a separate battery pack that you plug in.
People don't think about this but you can even use a notebook to charge your iPhone when traveling. Just plug in the cable with the machine on sleep and the juice flows, at least on a MBP.
For instance if fingerprints or DNA of the guy who originally stole it are found *inside* then he's in a lot of trouble. I was just saying it would be fairly standard procedure to test for those kinds of things.
The guy who found it and called Apple about it?
If his fingerprints are inside, then he's in trouble? How? Why?
That still isn't a user-removable battery, which is what he is referring to. But it's a silly request when it's easier and battery jut to carry a separate battery pack that you plug in.
People don't think about this but you can even use a notebook to charge your iPhone when traveling. Just plug in the cable with the machine on sleep and the juice flows, at least on a MBP.
Well I was partly having fun with him since he said "removable battery" instead of what (I think) he meant which was "user replaceable battery."
The battery has *always* been "removable," and since the 3G it's always been "user removable." What it hasn't been is "user replaceable."
The new iPhone takes this a step further and puts the device in the same space as the MacBook Air. It's not technically "user replaceable," but if you have a screwdriver in one hand and a new battery in the other its a ten minute job that almost anyone can do.
Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Meaning -> People who liked Sin City have crappy taste LOL
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive
What would the power-draw difference be between an OLED and the LCD display for an iPhone? Just wondering what the magnitude of the pro-argument would be.
Here and elsewhere I'm reading requests for faster processor at x-speed, but there doesn't seem to be a reasoning for these speeds, just a desire because the number sounds good.
Wanting a faster processor and/or more RAM because there is a HW limitation that is affecting how your device works, sure, I get that, but I don't get wanting an A4 at 1GHz or 800MHz if the system feels consistently instantaneous at, say, 750MHz and offers better battery life because of it.
The 3GS was the first iPhone that actually felt like the HW was faster than what the OS needed. Stepping that up would be great, but so would stepping up the battery duration with an under-clocked A4 designed for power efficiency.
With the iPhone OS 4.0 supporting multitasking, you'll going to want that extra MHz. With very few exceptions, I've never used a newer OS on current HW and felt it was fast enough; any updates always some sort of bloat and/or additional features.
Same thing with RAM, usually can't have enough. It becomes more of an issue when multitasking, and one of the reasons I found jailbreaking my 1g iPod Touch was a waste, all it did was run slower when enabling background processes, and kill the battery in like half the time (that, and I find the OS to be a bit slow to begin with, it doesn't run that well on a 400 MHz CPU IMO).
Using a 1 GHz processor also makes it easier to continue with future upgrades, without forcing customers to run out and buy new phones every year.
What would the power-draw difference be between an OLED and the LCD display for an iPhone? Just wondering what the magnitude of the pro-argument would be.
From what I've read the power savings aren't that great because the screen sizes are so small. As you scale up the power savings become much more drastic. We also know that power usage isn't even for OLED like it is with LCD. The more blacks you use the longer the less power is needed. Since I haven't seen the iPhone OS v4.0 switch to a darker UI I wouldn't expect them to switch to AMOLED but I hope they do switch to an LCD with a better viewing angle. There also seems to be an issue with degradation and image representation, but I have no idea how serious these really are, or if they are in fact an issue at all. The only real benefit seems to be the backlight being integrated with the screen, thus allowing it to be thinner, which we know Apple loves. Is there anyway to tell from Gizmodo's pics?
With the iPhone OS 4.0 supporting multitasking, you'll going to want that extra MHz. With very few exceptions, I've never used a newer OS on current HW and felt it was fast enough; any updates always some sort of bloat and/or additional features.
Same thing with RAM, usually can't have enough. It becomes more of an issue when multitasking, and one of the reasons I found jailbreaking my 1g iPod Touch was a waste, all it did was run slower when enabling background processes, and kill the battery in like half the time (that, and I find the OS to be a bit slow to begin with, it doesn't run that well on a 400 MHz CPU IMO).
Using a 1 GHz processor also makes it easier to continue with future upgrades, without forcing customers to run out and buy new phones every year.
I don't think an 80% jump in processing power makes since. That is a serious jump when the 3GS already feels pretty fast. v4.0 feels slower than v3.x, but that is expected.
What wasn't expected is that they are using less RAM for the new OS. That is great thing for multitasking. The 128MB RAM was the issue with the first iPhone and multitasking, not the CPU speed. Personally, 256MB would be fine, but 512 would be great, but since the iPad only got 256MB RAM it's hard to expect the next iPhone to get more than that when the iPad uses more by design.
The new iPhone will not have oled if those images are correct.
It has a mirrored backing plate that is for reflecting the sunlight back thru the lcd to be viewable outside.
oled does not use any backlight so that would not be needed.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Unless it's the new Samsung AMOLED displays, I don't want it.
Even if it's that, from what I've been reading, I don't want it.
The truth is that so far, AMOLED displays are not that great. There are two areas in which they're better. One is blacks. You can't get better than no light from a pixel. The other is viewing angle. Very good.
But, an IPS display has a viewing angle almost as good, and it's an argument as to how important viewing angle is for a small screen such as we see on handheld devices. Blacks are also much better on IPS screens. So in those areas, if Apple goes with IPS, as they did with the iPad (assuming that they can get an IPS screen that small), there won't be much of an advantage to AMOLEDs there either.
The bad things about AMOLEDS.
Much worse outdoors than a good LCD.
Garish colors. Looks good to the untutored eye, but is terrible reproducing a photo or video.
Efficiency of the current generation is NOT better than an LED backlit LCD display. This is why we see AMOLED devices using black for so much of the GUI. No AMOLED phone has better battery life, and some are worse.
As for Samsung's new AMOLED displays. At first they look good. They are significantly brighter and more efficient (which is why they are brighter). But there seems to be a problem with them. The resolution is not what is advertised! To me, that is cause to not use them:
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Aside form the stunning illegality of this move (taking it apart), I wonder if any of them had the brains to use gloves. You gotta figure Apple is going to fingerprint and test for DNA on every surface.
Why is it illegal to take it apart?
And even if that is illegal, would it also be illegal to touch the disassembled phone and leave a fingerprint on it? Or to sneeze near it and leave some DNA?
C'mon. You can't be serious.
I felt that disclosing the looks of the new device was bad, but revealing the insides after Apple asked for it to be returned is crossing the line here.
Hope Apple has a case and sues Gizmodo to the very last cent.
Why wouldn't they include AI in such a lawsuit? AI revealed the insides too.
Other producers play catch up, iPhone is the leader here
Have you checked out the HTC Incredible?
Apple is now (with the 3GS) far behind. With the 4G, they will catch up to where Android phones used to be.
By this time next year, the iPhone will be even further behind.
These slow refresh cycles are fine, if Apple were to introduce unreachable tech. But as of now, they are playing catch-up to Android phones.
And that is just the hardware. The software is even further behind.
this would mean that apple iPhone 3GS sales will decline since people from around the world will wait for the said 4th Gen iPhone whom Gizmodo dissect.. Damn Good!!! Hope the said Processor will be much more faster than 800Mhz..
Let's not get caught up on processor speed again! There are many ways to speed up the iPhone while still being mindful of efficiency. The 4Gen will no doubt be faster than the 3Gs, that's all that matters. It doesn't need to match the iPad, it just needs to best the 3Gs. And as long as it can keep up with its new features, speed might actually not be as important after all.
It's a myth that OLED displays are more efficient. The full story is more complicated than that. Conventional displays are constantly backlit and consume the same amount of power no matter what's being shown on screen. OLEDs generate light at the pixel level. When they're showing dark images their power consumption is reduced, but with bright images it's high. So relative efficiency is a solid "it depends."
I agree, plus the LCD on the iPhone works great in direct sunlight. When I'm outside with my 3Gs I find it performs best when I have the sun shining right on it and allow the pixels to reflect back. There's no way you can do that with an OLED screen.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Did you cellphone in 2003 have a touchscreen? What about apps of a similar complexity to those in the app store? Was it as thin as the iPhone? Who's behind who? You can't pick features from various phone and claim that the iPhone is behind the game. You need to find one phone that had every feature the iPhone has plus all the "missing" ones to say that Apple is behind the game.
PS. My last phone had a user replaceable battery. I never replaced the battery, but the battery cover started falling off after a couple years and lint found its way into nook and cranny of the device, including in front of the screen.
Why is it illegal to take it apart?
And even if that is illegal, would it also be illegal to touch the disassembled phone and leave a fingerprint on it? Or to sneeze near it and leave some DNA?
C'mon. You can't be serious.
It's illegal to take it apart because they don't own it, and it's a top-secret prototype. Both of which they knew at the time they took it apart.
Apple and their lawyers/investigators (if they want to follow this up at all that is), will undoubtedly be establishing a time-line of events, what the principals said they did with it and when etc., and one easy way to confirm or deny those stories would be to test the product for traces of who handled it. This is fairly standard and just common-sense in these kind of situations.
For instance if fingerprints or DNA of the guy who originally stole it are found *inside* then he's in a lot of trouble. I was just saying it would be fairly standard procedure to test for those kinds of things.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. ...
You should be happy then.
The new iPhone is extremely easy to open. Remove the two easily accessible Philips head screws, place a suction cup on the back, pull, and you're in. The new battery lifts out easily with the handy plastic tab included.
You should be happy then.
The new iPhone is extremely easy to open. Remove the two easily accessible Philips head screws, place a suction cup on the back, pull, and you're in. The new battery lifts out easily with the handy plastic tab included.
That still isn't a user-removable battery, which is what he is referring to. But it's a silly request when it's easier and battery jut to carry a separate battery pack that you plug in.
People don't think about this but you can even use a notebook to charge your iPhone when traveling. Just plug in the cable with the machine on sleep and the juice flows, at least on a MBP.
For instance if fingerprints or DNA of the guy who originally stole it are found *inside* then he's in a lot of trouble. I was just saying it would be fairly standard procedure to test for those kinds of things.
The guy who found it and called Apple about it?
If his fingerprints are inside, then he's in trouble? How? Why?
That still isn't a user-removable battery, which is what he is referring to. But it's a silly request when it's easier and battery jut to carry a separate battery pack that you plug in.
People don't think about this but you can even use a notebook to charge your iPhone when traveling. Just plug in the cable with the machine on sleep and the juice flows, at least on a MBP.
Well I was partly having fun with him since he said "removable battery" instead of what (I think) he meant which was "user replaceable battery."
The battery has *always* been "removable," and since the 3G it's always been "user removable." What it hasn't been is "user replaceable."
The new iPhone takes this a step further and puts the device in the same space as the MacBook Air. It's not technically "user replaceable," but if you have a screwdriver in one hand and a new battery in the other its a ten minute job that almost anyone can do.
Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Meaning -> People who liked Sin City have crappy taste LOL
I wonder what happened to all of those naysayers from yesterday?
Ok, ok! But I still hope they revise the case. It's ugly!
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive
What would the power-draw difference be between an OLED and the LCD display for an iPhone? Just wondering what the magnitude of the pro-argument would be.
Here and elsewhere I'm reading requests for faster processor at x-speed, but there doesn't seem to be a reasoning for these speeds, just a desire because the number sounds good.
Wanting a faster processor and/or more RAM because there is a HW limitation that is affecting how your device works, sure, I get that, but I don't get wanting an A4 at 1GHz or 800MHz if the system feels consistently instantaneous at, say, 750MHz and offers better battery life because of it.
The 3GS was the first iPhone that actually felt like the HW was faster than what the OS needed. Stepping that up would be great, but so would stepping up the battery duration with an under-clocked A4 designed for power efficiency.
With the iPhone OS 4.0 supporting multitasking, you'll going to want that extra MHz. With very few exceptions, I've never used a newer OS on current HW and felt it was fast enough; any updates always some sort of bloat and/or additional features.
Same thing with RAM, usually can't have enough. It becomes more of an issue when multitasking, and one of the reasons I found jailbreaking my 1g iPod Touch was a waste, all it did was run slower when enabling background processes, and kill the battery in like half the time (that, and I find the OS to be a bit slow to begin with, it doesn't run that well on a 400 MHz CPU IMO).
Using a 1 GHz processor also makes it easier to continue with future upgrades, without forcing customers to run out and buy new phones every year.
What would the power-draw difference be between an OLED and the LCD display for an iPhone? Just wondering what the magnitude of the pro-argument would be.
From what I've read the power savings aren't that great because the screen sizes are so small. As you scale up the power savings become much more drastic. We also know that power usage isn't even for OLED like it is with LCD. The more blacks you use the longer the less power is needed. Since I haven't seen the iPhone OS v4.0 switch to a darker UI I wouldn't expect them to switch to AMOLED but I hope they do switch to an LCD with a better viewing angle. There also seems to be an issue with degradation and image representation, but I have no idea how serious these really are, or if they are in fact an issue at all. The only real benefit seems to be the backlight being integrated with the screen, thus allowing it to be thinner, which we know Apple loves. Is there anyway to tell from Gizmodo's pics?
With the iPhone OS 4.0 supporting multitasking, you'll going to want that extra MHz. With very few exceptions, I've never used a newer OS on current HW and felt it was fast enough; any updates always some sort of bloat and/or additional features.
Same thing with RAM, usually can't have enough. It becomes more of an issue when multitasking, and one of the reasons I found jailbreaking my 1g iPod Touch was a waste, all it did was run slower when enabling background processes, and kill the battery in like half the time (that, and I find the OS to be a bit slow to begin with, it doesn't run that well on a 400 MHz CPU IMO).
Using a 1 GHz processor also makes it easier to continue with future upgrades, without forcing customers to run out and buy new phones every year.
I don't think an 80% jump in processing power makes since. That is a serious jump when the 3GS already feels pretty fast. v4.0 feels slower than v3.x, but that is expected.
What wasn't expected is that they are using less RAM for the new OS. That is great thing for multitasking. The 128MB RAM was the issue with the first iPhone and multitasking, not the CPU speed. Personally, 256MB would be fine, but 512 would be great, but since the iPad only got 256MB RAM it's hard to expect the next iPhone to get more than that when the iPad uses more by design.
It has a mirrored backing plate that is for reflecting the sunlight back thru the lcd to be viewable outside.
oled does not use any backlight so that would not be needed.
Unless it's the new Samsung AMOLED displays, I don't want it.
Even if it's that, from what I've been reading, I don't want it.
The truth is that so far, AMOLED displays are not that great. There are two areas in which they're better. One is blacks. You can't get better than no light from a pixel. The other is viewing angle. Very good.
But, an IPS display has a viewing angle almost as good, and it's an argument as to how important viewing angle is for a small screen such as we see on handheld devices. Blacks are also much better on IPS screens. So in those areas, if Apple goes with IPS, as they did with the iPad (assuming that they can get an IPS screen that small), there won't be much of an advantage to AMOLEDs there either.
The bad things about AMOLEDS.
Much worse outdoors than a good LCD.
Garish colors. Looks good to the untutored eye, but is terrible reproducing a photo or video.
Efficiency of the current generation is NOT better than an LED backlit LCD display. This is why we see AMOLED devices using black for so much of the GUI. No AMOLED phone has better battery life, and some are worse.
As for Samsung's new AMOLED displays. At first they look good. They are significantly brighter and more efficient (which is why they are brighter). But there seems to be a problem with them. The resolution is not what is advertised! To me, that is cause to not use them:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...-and-hacks.ars
It has a mirrored backing plate that is for reflecting the sunlight back thru the lcd to be viewable outside.
oled does not use any backlight so that would not be needed.
I think we'll see improved battery life.
If we get a OLED screen and improved components (read, more energy efficient) then battery life could very well improve.
I'm wondering what they run the A4 at in the phone. 800Mhz tops???