It's funny that certain niche message boards for certain fans tend to have the same quick to the punch attitude about things. Reading the Appleinsider comments here I see we have a bunch of MBA's and Strategy consultants who already know this is doomed before a single share has been bought.
HP is a $120 billion dollar company. Palm has a ton of IP and engineering talent. This is a very, very smart move for HP. They are paying straight cash.
Let's not hate before even a single device is even realized to the public. I sense some fear among those die-hard iPhone OS folks... An open tablet from HP with webOS with TRUE multi-tasking...? Wow.
I love my iPhone and look forward to getting an iPad. But WebOS on a tablet would make for a pretty good device. I think WebOS is every bit as good as iPhone OS and Android. They might be too late to the party, but a really good marketing campaign (and a good device) from Verizon helped Android to make a huge step towards closing the gap with iPhone OS. It's not out of the question for HP to deliver a similar feat with a good tablet device.
In my opinion Mac users are a bit upset, they were looking for a open Mac tablet with decent storage so they can tweak on it and innovate.
You mean the minority-group of tech-heads that are perpetually out of touch with the market? Yes. They want all the benefits of OS X, but with Microsoft's business model.
I wonder if hp will really be committed to webos. If they come out with winmo7 phones, then we will know the answer is "no".
My guess is that they do come out with a windows phone.
I imagine you're right.
WebOS based device? When they're releasing a Tablet running Windows? Are they suddenly going to play both sides of the street now? That's a risky job, even for a whore.
In my opinion Mac users are a bit upset, they were looking for a open Mac tablet with decent storage so they can tweak on it and innovate.
I'm a Mac user, and perhaps I'm in the minority, but I care nothing about flash. In fact, click2flash was a godsend. The idea of an HP slate running WebOS sounds fantastic as opposed to running Windows.
To be honest, that's why I never owned a netbook - because they came pre-installed with Windows.
It's funny that certain niche message boards for certain fans tend to have the same quick to the punch attitude about things. Reading the Appleinsider comments here I see we have a bunch of MBA's and Strategy consultants who already know this is doomed before a single share has been bought.
HP is a $120 billion dollar company. Palm has a ton of IP and engineering talent. This is a very, very smart move for HP. They are paying straight cash.
Let's not hate before even a single device is even realized to the public. I sense some fear among those die-hard iPhone OS folks... An open tablet from HP with webOS with TRUE multi-tasking...? Wow.
I wouldn't judge too quickly yourself. A lot of the people here have been in the tech business since computers were invented and know enough about the players to make such quick judgements.
On paper, you may be right about HP and Palm and their chances, but the first thing that popped into my head was "HP, where technology goes to die."
HP has a history of squandering IP (in my opinion), and a corporate culture that's almost poisonous to innovation.
I wouldn't judge too quickly yourself. A lot of the people here have been in the tech business since computers were invented and know enough about the players to make such quick judgements.
Coulda fooled me. It seems the average user off the street is just as tuned in to what "just works" (both technically and stylistically) as some of the "experts" on these boards. More often that not the experts have been wrong.
HP has a history of perpetuating boredom and serving the Microsoft Universal Licensing racket. HP's laziness in consumer tech is plain for all to see. An unimaginative dinosaur looking to buy success. What else is new.
Over on Precentral.net, they are already crowing about how Palm can now copy the iPhone with impunity due to patents and cash. They are also drooling over the WebOS, iPad knock-off. Go check them out and see what the Palm community has devolved into.
Coulda fooled me. It seems the average user off the street is just as tuned in to what "just works" (both technically and stylistically) as some of the "experts" on these boards. More often that not the experts have been wrong.
I think you two are talking about different things. Prof. Peabody is referring to people with a long history of detailed technical knowledge of these companies, while you are referring to the average person who has a personal history with a company's product. For example, years of reading and digesting achievements and financials from tech companies v. a person who likes or dislikes a tech company's products based on past purchase experiences.
A crapware PC maker joining with a has-been smartphone company.
What half-assed products await?
Yeah.
Ironically, both Palm and HP were "top of the heap" in mobile products (each at different times with diff. products) and both managed to squander the lead they enjoyed through colossally bad management decisions.
Personally, I hope they fail. I like WebOS and Palm, but HP can go jump off a cliff for all the headaches they've caused me in the last few years with their horrible printers. Also as an ex iPaq owner, I have a box of very expensive iPaqs (plus accessories), I'd like to throw at them.
so when apple and hp were married before and hp started (tried to) selling hpods it was like the old saying. "marriages are made in heaven and divorces in hell"
ergo, if hp couldn't cut the mustard with apple, it surely makes a palm venture look iffy at best.
btw, hpods might be collectors items now. i'm checking ebay.
I hear HP firing-up the chainsaws in preparation to chop this company into pieces and only keep the delectable parts to itself. Palm is officially bye-bye and its about time.
If I ever come across a resume with experience as a Palm manager, I'll make sure the door hits their backside on the way out. Palm had so many opportunities and was such a jewel of the tech sector in ages past. Their demise was due mainly to hugely incompetent management and the screwing of their dedicated developer base. I will not miss them one bit.
I, as a Pre owner, am happy that Palm (who will operate as a separate company) is getting the financial backing it needs to make a better product. I love webOS. It's elegant and sleek. I would like to see better hardware for it to run on an a tablet is one of the things that HP wants to do with webOS. They absolutely want to keep it and span it across multiple mobile platforms... so, yeah, reason enough to be excited.
I refuse to get an iPhone as long as it's on AT/T and having an iPod Touch gives me the iPhoneOS experience and I still like webOS better...
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It's funny that certain niche message boards for certain fans tend to have the same quick to the punch attitude about things. Reading the Appleinsider comments here I see we have a bunch of MBA's and Strategy consultants who already know this is doomed before a single share has been bought.
HP is a $120 billion dollar company. Palm has a ton of IP and engineering talent. This is a very, very smart move for HP. They are paying straight cash.
Let's not hate before even a single device is even realized to the public. I sense some fear among those die-hard iPhone OS folks... An open tablet from HP with webOS with TRUE multi-tasking...? Wow.
I love my iPhone and look forward to getting an iPad. But WebOS on a tablet would make for a pretty good device. I think WebOS is every bit as good as iPhone OS and Android. They might be too late to the party, but a really good marketing campaign (and a good device) from Verizon helped Android to make a huge step towards closing the gap with iPhone OS. It's not out of the question for HP to deliver a similar feat with a good tablet device.
An open tablet from HP with webOS with TRUE multi-tasking...? Wow.
Don´t forget Flash support too!
In my opinion Mac users are a bit upset, they were looking for a open Mac tablet with decent storage so they can tweak on it and innovate.
How about bringing that WebOS operating system to HP Slate!
That is an interesting idea.
My guess is that they do come out with a windows phone.
Don´t forget Flash support too!
In my opinion Mac users are a bit upset, they were looking for a open Mac tablet with decent storage so they can tweak on it and innovate.
You mean the minority-group of tech-heads that are perpetually out of touch with the market? Yes. They want all the benefits of OS X, but with Microsoft's business model.
I wonder if hp will really be committed to webos. If they come out with winmo7 phones, then we will know the answer is "no".
My guess is that they do come out with a windows phone.
I imagine you're right.
WebOS based device? When they're releasing a Tablet running Windows? Are they suddenly going to play both sides of the street now? That's a risky job, even for a whore.
Don´t forget Flash support too!
In my opinion Mac users are a bit upset, they were looking for a open Mac tablet with decent storage so they can tweak on it and innovate.
I'm a Mac user, and perhaps I'm in the minority, but I care nothing about flash. In fact, click2flash was a godsend. The idea of an HP slate running WebOS sounds fantastic as opposed to running Windows.
To be honest, that's why I never owned a netbook - because they came pre-installed with Windows.
It's funny that certain niche message boards for certain fans tend to have the same quick to the punch attitude about things. Reading the Appleinsider comments here I see we have a bunch of MBA's and Strategy consultants who already know this is doomed before a single share has been bought.
HP is a $120 billion dollar company. Palm has a ton of IP and engineering talent. This is a very, very smart move for HP. They are paying straight cash.
Let's not hate before even a single device is even realized to the public. I sense some fear among those die-hard iPhone OS folks... An open tablet from HP with webOS with TRUE multi-tasking...? Wow.
I wouldn't judge too quickly yourself. A lot of the people here have been in the tech business since computers were invented and know enough about the players to make such quick judgements.
On paper, you may be right about HP and Palm and their chances, but the first thing that popped into my head was "HP, where technology goes to die."
HP has a history of squandering IP (in my opinion), and a corporate culture that's almost poisonous to innovation.
I wouldn't judge too quickly yourself. A lot of the people here have been in the tech business since computers were invented and know enough about the players to make such quick judgements.
Coulda fooled me. It seems the average user off the street is just as tuned in to what "just works" (both technically and stylistically) as some of the "experts" on these boards. More often that not the experts have been wrong.
HP has a history of perpetuating boredom and serving the Microsoft Universal Licensing racket. HP's laziness in consumer tech is plain for all to see. An unimaginative dinosaur looking to buy success. What else is new.
Coulda fooled me. It seems the average user off the street is just as tuned in to what "just works" (both technically and stylistically) as some of the "experts" on these boards. More often that not the experts have been wrong.
I think you two are talking about different things. Prof. Peabody is referring to people with a long history of detailed technical knowledge of these companies, while you are referring to the average person who has a personal history with a company's product. For example, years of reading and digesting achievements and financials from tech companies v. a person who likes or dislikes a tech company's products based on past purchase experiences.
Excellent!
A crapware PC maker joining with a has-been smartphone company.
What half-assed products await?
Yeah.
Ironically, both Palm and HP were "top of the heap" in mobile products (each at different times with diff. products) and both managed to squander the lead they enjoyed through colossally bad management decisions.
Personally, I hope they fail. I like WebOS and Palm, but HP can go jump off a cliff for all the headaches they've caused me in the last few years with their horrible printers. Also as an ex iPaq owner, I have a box of very expensive iPaqs (plus accessories), I'd like to throw at them.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/h...-the-wild-meh/
Doesn't look too good for Palm.
ergo, if hp couldn't cut the mustard with apple, it surely makes a palm venture look iffy at best.
btw, hpods might be collectors items now. i'm checking ebay.
If I ever come across a resume with experience as a Palm manager, I'll make sure the door hits their backside on the way out. Palm had so many opportunities and was such a jewel of the tech sector in ages past. Their demise was due mainly to hugely incompetent management and the screwing of their dedicated developer base. I will not miss them one bit.
So sad a story.
I refuse to get an iPhone as long as it's on AT/T and having an iPod Touch gives me the iPhoneOS experience and I still like webOS better...