All of you are nothing but a bunch of bad kids laughing at the good kid that told the truth.
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And the only time I have dealt with this much idiocy is trying to avoid missionaries and talking to right wing christian fundamentalists.
I think that your missionary analogy is better than your bad kids analogy. These are not bad people necessarily, but they have more faith than they have facts.
My analogy is to the story of the boy who claimed that the emperor had no clothes. At first, he was treated with hostility.
The situation is also reminiscent of the days in the late 1990's leading up to the bursting of the Internet bubble. Nay-sayers were excoriated by the people who "got it". Those who "got it" eventually lost their shirts.
Anybody who "gets it" but is unable to explain "it" is working on faith, and not reason.
You know nothing but what's in front of you and post it to the world as gospel and when the facts are shown you are wrong you try another tact to try to be right.
That's public record and you disputed it anyway, trying to forget the era of mac clones.
Just stop talking.
You could have saved yourself a lot of words by simply announcing that you had nothing intelligent to say. No need to prove it.
You may in fact be right about this case with Jason Chen. But does that really matter? Is being right so important? I would encourage you to humble yourself and make yourself the least of everyone else here. Regard others' thoughts and opinions as more important than your own. Yeah, they may be wrong and you're right, but do you want to go through life proving to everyone how awesome and great you are and how stupid they are? Where is the joy in belittling others and lifting yourself up? Humble yourself and serve those who hate you. Recognize that you're not better than anybody else. I implore you.
I'm an arrogant, self-righteous, pompous jerk. [ok, religious talk coming up, I'm sorry everyone, no other way of saying it] I was humbled by the message that God's son came to Earth and died in my place and suffered the wrath of God that was meant for me. Because he died, I can live. And each day I draw breath, I want to live a life of humility and grace.
Grace and Peace to you harleighquinn
Believe me, I have forgotten more about humility than most here will ever learn. But I'm not here to match wits or "whip it out". I never have been.
But I have to say that by your logic, we should teach nothing and let the world go to hell in a hand basket.
Didn't a certain Saviour die because he opposed the status quo? Wasn't Every religious leader persecuted because in the end they were right?
I'm not a religious leader. I don't want to be.
But I know facts and procedures. Right and wrong.
What I have seen here against Chen is wrong. Period.
But I am shouting into an abyss......
So I am gong to un-bookmark this site and go to mac rumors, where the stories on this site come from anyway.
I'll check here periodically only for the odd write up, but this place lives up to the old adage that winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special Olympics.
I should never have participated. I would rather get the time and intelligence I wasted back.
I actually feel "dumber" having participated. There is no way I will let any of the people here suck me down further to their level.
I'm sorry, but "wrong thoughts and opinions" will not be regarded as "more important" than those which are correct.
Not by me.
If that is what you get from your faith, then IMO your faith is misplaced.
Well I meant more generally in terms of attitude in how you approach a situation. If someone is obviously wrong, then sure, tell them so. But *how* you tell someone they're wrong is what's important. I should rephrase what I said.... "Regard others as more important than yourself, even if their thoughts and opinions are wrong". Yeah, I think that's right.
It's the difference between looking down at someone and saying "ha ha, you're such an idiot. That's totally wrong", and looking up at them and saying "I'm sorry, but I believe you're mistaken".
What makes them think that they have the rights to get their hands on those documents.
the request was made by media that want to argue a violation of shield laws. which if this was a case of just wanting to know a source might apply.
But Gizmodo confessed to a criminal act at a felony level. Shield laws do not apply.
Personally I think they are getting what they deserve. Tech is a big business here in Cali and you can bet the DA started watching Gawker after that Valleywag stunt to see if they were dumb enough to do it again. They have probably been watching the site and capturing all articles, watching various twitters etc. Then Giz posts that they have the phone, etc.
Dumb ass move. If their lawyers told them that shield laws would protect them, the lawyer needs to be fired.
What they should have done, which would have gotten the scoop out there without all this, was taken the photos, made the video with no voices, names or faces and posted it as provided by 'a reliable source'. THEN they could have applied shield laws to keep Apple from finding out who the source was.
Not only are they know facing criminal charges, there's possible civil suits. Not to mention removal of ads, review lists and media invites (and possibly not just from Apple).
You may in fact be right about this case with Jason Chen. But does that really matter? Is being right so important? I would encourage you to humble yourself and make yourself the least of everyone else here. Regard others' thoughts and opinions as more important than your own. Yeah, they may be wrong and you're right, but do you want to go through life proving to everyone how awesome and great you are and how stupid they are? Where is the joy in belittling others and lifting yourself up? Humble yourself and serve those who hate you. Recognize that you're not better than anybody else. I implore you.
I'm an arrogant, self-righteous, pompous jerk. [ok, religious talk coming up, I'm sorry everyone, no other way of saying it] I was humbled by the message that God's son came to Earth and died in my place and suffered the wrath of God that was meant for me. Because he died, I can live. And each day I draw breath, I want to live a life of humility and grace.
Grace and Peace to you harleighquinn
This would be good advice for us all in our debates here. Surely it is not fair to single out Harleigh Quinn. The posters responding to him have been just as, if not more, combative, juvenile, self righteous, stubborn, close minded, etc.
Yes he did. By bragging that he paid money, and in excess of the limit for a 'misdemeanor' for an object that was not legally owned by the seller.
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I have avoided name calling anyone here,
No but you have been a total jerk with your 'time of the month' inappropriate humor, your comments suggesting folks are children, stupid, crazy etc.
Even your "I'm so much better than you cause X, Y Z" crap has been hostile etc. Perhaps you need to go back to that shrink and deal with your egotism, anger issues etc.
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All of you are nothing but a bunch of bad kids laughing at the good kid that told the truth.
No they have been laughing at someone acting like a deluded bitch, who refuses to see anything but what she wants to be the truth. Truth based on facts and actual laws and not what was pulled out of her ass.
Frankly my first thought was that you are in fact Jason Chen and you are trying to shore up yourself by posing in groups as other people. Or at least someone on Gizmodo's payroll.
At the least you are the worst kind of troll
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I really do understand why people drive cars in to restaurants and open fire on the patrons with assault rifles after dealing with all of you. I honestly and truly do.
After all of this, anyone would want to eliminate as much idiocy as they could from the world before they eventually went themselves.
And the only time I have dealt with this much idiocy is trying to avoid missionaries and talking to right wing christian fundamentalists.
And you say that you are the intelligent and mature one. Yeah, like I said, you need to back to that shrink and deal with your issues.
The request was NOT denied. It has not yet even been considered.
And that, in and of itself is what is strange. The media put forward that the sealing of the affidavit was improper. They took it to another judge, because obviously the judge that sealed it is unlikely to find he acting improperly. Instead of even looking at the chance that perhaps it was improper, this judge passed it off, sending it back to the original judge to look at it. When the original judge is available next week, if the DA still wants to keep it secret, I guess the judge could say he shouldn't review his own decision and pass to to yet another judge...perhaps one that is tied up for a few weeks.
Some have argued that taking it to a second judge was the media trying to end run the original judge. In other cases, is it common to ask the original judge to review an appeal of his own case? Why does the supreme court exist at all if the one assumes the original judge knows best?
To those that see the media requests as trying to avoid the original judge, or are defending the decision not to even examine the request, it seems it has nothing to do with the merit of the request, but with the parties involved. The best they have offered so far, is to parrot what the DA said, that the seal needs to be in place because the investigation is on going and releasing their reasons in the affidavit would compromise their investigation, specifically into two people of interest. One can perhaps ignore the assumption that it is quite likely the people they are looking at might just have heard there is an investigation. Is it so easy to simply ignore that proper procedure might not have been followed? The thoughtless, circular answer would be "of course it was proper, otherwise it wouldn't have been granted".
A search warrant shall be executed and returned within 10 days after date of issuance. A warrant executed within the 10-day period shall be deemed to have been timely executed and no further showing of timeliness need be made. After the expiration of 10 days, the warrant, unless executed, is void. The documents and records of the court relating to the warrant need not be open to the public until the execution and return of the warrant or the expiration of the 10-day period after issuance. Thereafter, if the warrant has been executed, the documents and records shall be open to the public as a judicial record.
The court can make an exception and seal the information, if certain requirements are met. The media argued that those requirements for sealing had not been met and further the sealing order itself was sealed so no public review of if the sealing was appropriate is even possible.
Maybe the sealing was valid. You don't know, I don't know. The decision of no decision puts the responsibility of determining if you should know (or when) back on the judge that made the decision in the first place. No conflict there, at all.
Your question could be restated: what gives you the right to question what the media does? What gives you the right to do anything? Hopefully, you will see the answer is the same.
I think that your missionary analogy is better than your bad kids analogy. These are not bad people necessarily, but they have more faith than they have facts.
My analogy is to the story of the boy who claimed that the emperor had no clothes. At first, he was treated with hostility.
The situation is also reminiscent of the days in the late 1990's leading up to the bursting of the Internet bubble. Nay-sayers were excoriated by the people who "got it". Those who "got it" eventually lost their shirts.
Anybody who "gets it" but is unable to explain "it" is working on faith, and not reason.
The emperor's new clothes is a fitting analogy. There does seem to be a lot a rationalizing going on.
Yes he did. By bragging that he paid money, and in excess of the limit for a 'misdemeanor' for an object that was not legally owned by the seller.
No but you have been a total jerk with your 'time of the month' inappropriate humor, your comments suggesting folks are children, stupid, crazy etc.
Even your "I'm so much better than you cause X, Y Z" crap has been hostile etc. Perhaps you need to go back to that shrink and deal with your egotism, anger issues etc.
No they have been laughing at someone acting like a deluded bitch, who refuses to see anything but what she wants to be the truth. Truth based on facts and actual laws and not what was pulled out of her ass.
Frankly my first thought was that you are in fact Jason Chen and you are trying to shore up yourself by posing in groups as other people. Or at least someone on Gizmodo's payroll.
At the least you are the worst kind of troll
And you say that you are the intelligent and mature one. Yeah, like I said, you need to back to that shrink and deal with your issues.
Look in a mirror and then get back to me.
I started civil. A simple search of my posts on any topic under both my IDs (apparently I have two) shows that. Let's search your posts and see if the same can be said.....
I started civil. A simple search of my posts on any topic under both my IDs (apparently I have two) shows that. Let's search your posts and see if the same can be said.....
No, actually, pretty much every thread you get involved with starts with you making broad claims about your own powers of insight and definitive statements of the truth that no one else seems to be able to fathom, along with a lot of disparaging (albeit confusing) subsidiary flak about the generally dim-witted state of the average poster, people in general, and our debased civilization, followed by the inevitable irritable push-back from the people you have such contempt for, followed by increasingly florid declarations of righteousness and injury to your person inflicted by these same fools and knaves, leading to ever more abstracted and irrelevant parsing of the particulars of your blamelessness and the general perfidy of everyone else, leading to another thread wandering into exceptionally tedious weeds.
Pretty much every thread you get involved with. Funny how that works.
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What the hell is wrong with you people? ...
All of you are nothing but a bunch of bad kids laughing at the good kid that told the truth.
...
And the only time I have dealt with this much idiocy is trying to avoid missionaries and talking to right wing christian fundamentalists.
I think that your missionary analogy is better than your bad kids analogy. These are not bad people necessarily, but they have more faith than they have facts.
My analogy is to the story of the boy who claimed that the emperor had no clothes. At first, he was treated with hostility.
The situation is also reminiscent of the days in the late 1990's leading up to the bursting of the Internet bubble. Nay-sayers were excoriated by the people who "got it". Those who "got it" eventually lost their shirts.
Anybody who "gets it" but is unable to explain "it" is working on faith, and not reason.
Shut up.
There, I said it.
You know nothing but what's in front of you and post it to the world as gospel and when the facts are shown you are wrong you try another tact to try to be right.
That's public record and you disputed it anyway, trying to forget the era of mac clones.
Just stop talking.
You could have saved yourself a lot of words by simply announcing that you had nothing intelligent to say. No need to prove it.
Regard others' thoughts and opinions as more important than your own. Yeah, they may be wrong and you're right,
I'm sorry, but "wrong thoughts and opinions" will not be regarded as "more important" than those which are correct.
Not by me.
If that is what you get from your faith, then IMO your faith is misplaced.
You may in fact be right about this case with Jason Chen. But does that really matter? Is being right so important? I would encourage you to humble yourself and make yourself the least of everyone else here. Regard others' thoughts and opinions as more important than your own. Yeah, they may be wrong and you're right, but do you want to go through life proving to everyone how awesome and great you are and how stupid they are? Where is the joy in belittling others and lifting yourself up? Humble yourself and serve those who hate you. Recognize that you're not better than anybody else. I implore you.
I'm an arrogant, self-righteous, pompous jerk. [ok, religious talk coming up, I'm sorry everyone, no other way of saying it] I was humbled by the message that God's son came to Earth and died in my place and suffered the wrath of God that was meant for me. Because he died, I can live. And each day I draw breath, I want to live a life of humility and grace.
Grace and Peace to you harleighquinn
Believe me, I have forgotten more about humility than most here will ever learn. But I'm not here to match wits or "whip it out". I never have been.
But I have to say that by your logic, we should teach nothing and let the world go to hell in a hand basket.
Didn't a certain Saviour die because he opposed the status quo? Wasn't Every religious leader persecuted because in the end they were right?
I'm not a religious leader. I don't want to be.
But I know facts and procedures. Right and wrong.
What I have seen here against Chen is wrong. Period.
But I am shouting into an abyss......
So I am gong to un-bookmark this site and go to mac rumors, where the stories on this site come from anyway.
I'll check here periodically only for the odd write up, but this place lives up to the old adage that winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special Olympics.
I should never have participated. I would rather get the time and intelligence I wasted back.
I actually feel "dumber" having participated. There is no way I will let any of the people here suck me down further to their level.
But I know facts and procedures. Right and wrong.
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You sure haven't demonstrated that.
I'm sorry, but "wrong thoughts and opinions" will not be regarded as "more important" than those which are correct.
Not by me.
If that is what you get from your faith, then IMO your faith is misplaced.
Well I meant more generally in terms of attitude in how you approach a situation. If someone is obviously wrong, then sure, tell them so. But *how* you tell someone they're wrong is what's important. I should rephrase what I said.... "Regard others as more important than yourself, even if their thoughts and opinions are wrong". Yeah, I think that's right.
It's the difference between looking down at someone and saying "ha ha, you're such an idiot. That's totally wrong", and looking up at them and saying "I'm sorry, but I believe you're mistaken".
You sure haven't demonstrated that.
SO, basically you offer nothing except contest against an opinion that differs from yours and of which you no longer state anyway?
And you say I have nothing intelligent to say and also have the gall to label others as trolls while practicing "troll" behavior yourself?
I really need to find the setting that stops the site from emailing me. It's filling up my iPhone inbox with idiocy.
I almost feel it could actually be infected by the apparent dimwitted-ness that's sent from here.
It's an on going investigation.
What makes them think that they have the rights to get their hands on those documents.
the request was made by media that want to argue a violation of shield laws. which if this was a case of just wanting to know a source might apply.
But Gizmodo confessed to a criminal act at a felony level. Shield laws do not apply.
Personally I think they are getting what they deserve. Tech is a big business here in Cali and you can bet the DA started watching Gawker after that Valleywag stunt to see if they were dumb enough to do it again. They have probably been watching the site and capturing all articles, watching various twitters etc. Then Giz posts that they have the phone, etc.
Dumb ass move. If their lawyers told them that shield laws would protect them, the lawyer needs to be fired.
What they should have done, which would have gotten the scoop out there without all this, was taken the photos, made the video with no voices, names or faces and posted it as provided by 'a reliable source'. THEN they could have applied shield laws to keep Apple from finding out who the source was.
Not only are they know facing criminal charges, there's possible civil suits. Not to mention removal of ads, review lists and media invites (and possibly not just from Apple).
Hope it was worth it for them.
Didn't a certain Saviour die because he opposed the status quo? .
No, according to scripture, he died because humanity fell into sin and faces death. So he died as a substitute.
You may in fact be right about this case with Jason Chen. But does that really matter? Is being right so important? I would encourage you to humble yourself and make yourself the least of everyone else here. Regard others' thoughts and opinions as more important than your own. Yeah, they may be wrong and you're right, but do you want to go through life proving to everyone how awesome and great you are and how stupid they are? Where is the joy in belittling others and lifting yourself up? Humble yourself and serve those who hate you. Recognize that you're not better than anybody else. I implore you.
I'm an arrogant, self-righteous, pompous jerk. [ok, religious talk coming up, I'm sorry everyone, no other way of saying it] I was humbled by the message that God's son came to Earth and died in my place and suffered the wrath of God that was meant for me. Because he died, I can live. And each day I draw breath, I want to live a life of humility and grace.
Grace and Peace to you harleighquinn
This would be good advice for us all in our debates here. Surely it is not fair to single out Harleigh Quinn. The posters responding to him have been just as, if not more, combative, juvenile, self righteous, stubborn, close minded, etc.
No, according to scripture, he died because humanity fell into sin and faces death. So he died as a substitute.
But... this is sort of off topic and not relevant to what this forum is here for. But the bickering in here is just so irksome!
Chen CONFESSED to nothing.
Yes he did. By bragging that he paid money, and in excess of the limit for a 'misdemeanor' for an object that was not legally owned by the seller.
I have avoided name calling anyone here,
No but you have been a total jerk with your 'time of the month' inappropriate humor, your comments suggesting folks are children, stupid, crazy etc.
Even your "I'm so much better than you cause X, Y Z" crap has been hostile etc. Perhaps you need to go back to that shrink and deal with your egotism, anger issues etc.
All of you are nothing but a bunch of bad kids laughing at the good kid that told the truth.
No they have been laughing at someone acting like a deluded bitch, who refuses to see anything but what she wants to be the truth. Truth based on facts and actual laws and not what was pulled out of her ass.
Frankly my first thought was that you are in fact Jason Chen and you are trying to shore up yourself by posing in groups as other people. Or at least someone on Gizmodo's payroll.
At the least you are the worst kind of troll
I really do understand why people drive cars in to restaurants and open fire on the patrons with assault rifles after dealing with all of you. I honestly and truly do.
After all of this, anyone would want to eliminate as much idiocy as they could from the world before they eventually went themselves.
And the only time I have dealt with this much idiocy is trying to avoid missionaries and talking to right wing christian fundamentalists.
And you say that you are the intelligent and mature one. Yeah, like I said, you need to back to that shrink and deal with your issues.
Yet another misleading headline.
The request was NOT denied. It has not yet even been considered.
And that, in and of itself is what is strange. The media put forward that the sealing of the affidavit was improper. They took it to another judge, because obviously the judge that sealed it is unlikely to find he acting improperly. Instead of even looking at the chance that perhaps it was improper, this judge passed it off, sending it back to the original judge to look at it. When the original judge is available next week, if the DA still wants to keep it secret, I guess the judge could say he shouldn't review his own decision and pass to to yet another judge...perhaps one that is tied up for a few weeks.
Some have argued that taking it to a second judge was the media trying to end run the original judge. In other cases, is it common to ask the original judge to review an appeal of his own case? Why does the supreme court exist at all if the one assumes the original judge knows best?
To those that see the media requests as trying to avoid the original judge, or are defending the decision not to even examine the request, it seems it has nothing to do with the merit of the request, but with the parties involved. The best they have offered so far, is to parrot what the DA said, that the seal needs to be in place because the investigation is on going and releasing their reasons in the affidavit would compromise their investigation, specifically into two people of interest. One can perhaps ignore the assumption that it is quite likely the people they are looking at might just have heard there is an investigation. Is it so easy to simply ignore that proper procedure might not have been followed? The thoughtless, circular answer would be "of course it was proper, otherwise it wouldn't have been granted".
It's an on going investigation.
What makes them think that they have the rights to get their hands on those documents.
Don't know. Maybe the law. Could be the US constitution. Who knows.
CAL. PEN. CODE § 1534 : California Code - Section 1534
A search warrant shall be executed and returned within 10 days after date of issuance. A warrant executed within the 10-day period shall be deemed to have been timely executed and no further showing of timeliness need be made. After the expiration of 10 days, the warrant, unless executed, is void. The documents and records of the court relating to the warrant need not be open to the public until the execution and return of the warrant or the expiration of the 10-day period after issuance. Thereafter, if the warrant has been executed, the documents and records shall be open to the public as a judicial record.
The court can make an exception and seal the information, if certain requirements are met. The media argued that those requirements for sealing had not been met and further the sealing order itself was sealed so no public review of if the sealing was appropriate is even possible.
Maybe the sealing was valid. You don't know, I don't know. The decision of no decision puts the responsibility of determining if you should know (or when) back on the judge that made the decision in the first place. No conflict there, at all.
Your question could be restated: what gives you the right to question what the media does? What gives you the right to do anything? Hopefully, you will see the answer is the same.
"Regard others as more important than yourself, even if their thoughts and opinions are wrong". Yeah, I think that's right.
Chairman Mao would love your attitude.
I think that your missionary analogy is better than your bad kids analogy. These are not bad people necessarily, but they have more faith than they have facts.
My analogy is to the story of the boy who claimed that the emperor had no clothes. At first, he was treated with hostility.
The situation is also reminiscent of the days in the late 1990's leading up to the bursting of the Internet bubble. Nay-sayers were excoriated by the people who "got it". Those who "got it" eventually lost their shirts.
Anybody who "gets it" but is unable to explain "it" is working on faith, and not reason.
The emperor's new clothes is a fitting analogy. There does seem to be a lot a rationalizing going on.
Yes he did. By bragging that he paid money, and in excess of the limit for a 'misdemeanor' for an object that was not legally owned by the seller.
No but you have been a total jerk with your 'time of the month' inappropriate humor, your comments suggesting folks are children, stupid, crazy etc.
Even your "I'm so much better than you cause X, Y Z" crap has been hostile etc. Perhaps you need to go back to that shrink and deal with your egotism, anger issues etc.
No they have been laughing at someone acting like a deluded bitch, who refuses to see anything but what she wants to be the truth. Truth based on facts and actual laws and not what was pulled out of her ass.
Frankly my first thought was that you are in fact Jason Chen and you are trying to shore up yourself by posing in groups as other people. Or at least someone on Gizmodo's payroll.
At the least you are the worst kind of troll
And you say that you are the intelligent and mature one. Yeah, like I said, you need to back to that shrink and deal with your issues.
Look in a mirror and then get back to me.
I started civil. A simple search of my posts on any topic under both my IDs (apparently I have two) shows that. Let's search your posts and see if the same can be said.....
Look in a mirror and then get back to me.
I started civil. A simple search of my posts on any topic under both my IDs (apparently I have two) shows that. Let's search your posts and see if the same can be said.....
No, actually, pretty much every thread you get involved with starts with you making broad claims about your own powers of insight and definitive statements of the truth that no one else seems to be able to fathom, along with a lot of disparaging (albeit confusing) subsidiary flak about the generally dim-witted state of the average poster, people in general, and our debased civilization, followed by the inevitable irritable push-back from the people you have such contempt for, followed by increasingly florid declarations of righteousness and injury to your person inflicted by these same fools and knaves, leading to ever more abstracted and irrelevant parsing of the particulars of your blamelessness and the general perfidy of everyone else, leading to another thread wandering into exceptionally tedious weeds.
Pretty much every thread you get involved with. Funny how that works.