A name is like a joke. If it needs to be explained it isn't any good.
What a wonderfully apt analogy! Congratulations, that made my day.
On the other hand, since this is not a mass consumer level product, and will only be used by cognoscenti, it might actually work: an insider name for an insider group.
What a wonderfully apt analogy! Congratulations, that made my day.
On the other hand, since this is not a mass consumer level product, and will only be used by cognoscenti, it might actually work: an insider name for an insider group.
He definitely has a point though, and it's gone unnoticed for a long time. In landscape mode the mobile site is unusable. It's really hard to believe anyone at AI has used the mobile version on an iPhone. I constantly have to scroll-adjust to get the banners off the text I'm trying to read. Having to switch to the regular site is a pain. They should fix it !
Here's another vote for a new iPhone site. The current one is very bad. Please, even an offline app like TUAW, Switched, or Engadget would be better, and even welcome. But the online site still needs to be fixed.
I'd like to see Apple make a Dreamweaver like HTML5 development program. It would make a nice addition to their pro apps suite.
While I'd like this, I think Adobe is in a much better position to do this. They could even further their sales of Flash Professional by having it output standards-based HTML/JS/CSS for newer browsers and Flash as a fallback for older browsers. After all, they make their money on the pro app sales, not the free plug-in.
Ah, the inventiveness of advertisers. The "test" will doubtlessly be after the phone is released.
When I see things like this, I gotta shake my head at the way the world turns. The worst thing is, I know a whole lot of people who would get sucked into this kinda thing. Sad world we live in, especially when something like that is legal.
You get to keep 70% for applications. For ads, you get to keep 60%. Think of how much money you'll save on your taxes.
Actually, the 70:30 split is actually very good - considering how much more revenue you're likely to have on the App Store for these 'mini-apps' compared to doing it yourself.
I'll second that. Or even just a version of iWeb that's not so limited. Like the fact that you can't open your iWeb site with a different web editor.
The next version of iWeb will include a shopping cart that allows visitors to use their iTunes account to purchase items.
Not a chance. They'd have to admit that Flash isn't God's gift to the Internet before they'd want to develop anything else.
Absolutely, there is a lot of hubris to get past, and surprised I forgot to include that as a reason why they won't do it until it's too late. My point was that between Flash Professional and Dreamweaver they are in the best position to offer a great solution.
make sure it works with firefox. Maybe someone can clear it up for me, is this Gianduia just a development tool/software for html5, or is this some sort of standard for HTML5 or something completely different. I don't really want another plugin.
Erm, the name / joke analogy is actually a little boneheaded. How many hugely successful products and companies of the last decade have nonsensical names? I don't even need to provide an example. Your style of thinking might be better suited to hygiene accessory manufacturers.
The header is misleading. What Sproutcore and others trying to do has nothing to do with Flash.
And until HW acceleration is available on all browser. ( Like IE 9 ), Flash is still faster for animation..
The question that no one has answered is why Apple sponsored two Javascript Development framework? SproutCore and Gianduia both seems to offer the same thing.
make sure it works with firefox. Maybe someone can clear it up for me, is this Gianduia just a development tool/software for html5, or is this some sort of standard for HTML5 or something completely different. I don't really want another plugin.
It's not a plugin, as the article mentions many times.
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The header is misleading. What Sproutcore and others trying to do has nothing to do with Flash.
It has everything to do with Flash (and Silverlight). If these rich web interaction can be handled by efficient and easily coded JS then there is no need for Flash (or Silverlight) for that same task. It doesn't have to do EVERYTHING Flash can do to pick away at it's usage and become prominent. Just look at the number of sites moving to HTML5 for video over Flash, and that is the start.
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And until HW acceleration is available on all browser. ( Like IE 9 ), Flash is still faster for animation.
It doesn't have to be available for ALL browsers before it can be effective. Between WebKit-based browsers have a monopoly on mobile browsers and Firefox's market-share on the desktop I think that WebGL will have enough marketshare to be useful for those wanting to include animations. I don't see how Flash could possibly be faster (ie: resource efficient) than Flash. This is still new stuff and Flash isn't going away, but the facts are there are plenty of attacks on Flash on many fronts to which it will not be able to defend.
It has everything to do with Flash (and Silverlight).
Not really ? He's right and this is a very frustrating articles for several reasons. First the headline implies that Apple is developing some kind of Flash alternative. This has nothing to do with Flash and isn't being developed for market. As the article states, this was shown almost a year ago. Gianduia is just the codename of one of the five or so internal JavaScript frameworks that Apple has created to support some of the applications they're building. Apple employs Cocoa developers, so it advantageous for them to have web frameworks that mimic Cocoa frameworks.
This is in the same class as Cappuccino and SproutCore and I've never heard of them being billed as Flash replacements. They're for building better Gmail-like apps, which Flash has never really played a big part in.
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Between WebKit-based browsers have a monopoly on mobile browsers and Firefox's market-share on the desktop I think that WebGL will have enough marketshare to be useful for those wanting to include animations.
WebGL (based on OpenGL ES) is a very deep API and I don't expect most web developers will pick it up any time soon. It's not really suited to just including a few animations on a page but rather providing a full shader-based, graphics programming pipeline. It'll be helpful for doing things like scientific visualizations or certain kinds of games. For the kinds of animations Flash is mostly used for, most benchmarks show that Canvas+JavaScript is more than performant. And it'll only get faster.
Anyway, my point is that AI is trying to position this as some kind of Flash alternative possibly desktop tool people can use to create Flash-like content and that may be released later this year. It's not ? it's a rich application JavaScript framework they've used internally and might possibly be open sourced for others to use like SproutCore. Programming essentially in Objective-C patterns with Cocoa-like API's while writing JavaScript is not going to appeal to the Flash programming crowd.
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A name is like a joke. If it needs to be explained it isn't any good.
What a wonderfully apt analogy! Congratulations, that made my day.
On the other hand, since this is not a mass consumer level product, and will only be used by cognoscenti, it might actually work: an insider name for an insider group.
What a wonderfully apt analogy! Congratulations, that made my day.
On the other hand, since this is not a mass consumer level product, and will only be used by cognoscenti, it might actually work: an insider name for an insider group.
I vote for CocoaButter or TextualChocolate.
He definitely has a point though, and it's gone unnoticed for a long time. In landscape mode the mobile site is unusable. It's really hard to believe anyone at AI has used the mobile version on an iPhone. I constantly have to scroll-adjust to get the banners off the text I'm trying to read. Having to switch to the regular site is a pain. They should fix it !
Here's another vote for a new iPhone site. The current one is very bad. Please, even an offline app like TUAW, Switched, or Engadget would be better, and even welcome. But the online site still needs to be fixed.
Ah, the inventiveness of advertisers. The "test" will doubtlessly be after the phone is released.
I'd like to see Apple make a Dreamweaver like HTML5 development program. It would make a nice addition to their pro apps suite.
While I'd like this, I think Adobe is in a much better position to do this. They could even further their sales of Flash Professional by having it output standards-based HTML/JS/CSS for newer browsers and Flash as a fallback for older browsers. After all, they make their money on the pro app sales, not the free plug-in.
Ah, the inventiveness of advertisers. The "test" will doubtlessly be after the phone is released.
When I see things like this, I gotta shake my head at the way the world turns. The worst thing is, I know a whole lot of people who would get sucked into this kinda thing. Sad world we live in, especially when something like that is legal.
first, change the name. we can't champion something we can't even pronounce. that's why the iceland volcano never went viral.
John Dula.... like in:
Hang down your head John Dula,
Hang down your head and cry!
Hang down your head John Dula,
For boy, you're bound to die:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the...io/id315887468
Song # 2, Tom Dooley
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You get to keep 70% for applications. For ads, you get to keep 60%. Think of how much money you'll save on your taxes.
Actually, the 70:30 split is actually very good - considering how much more revenue you're likely to have on the App Store for these 'mini-apps' compared to doing it yourself.
I'll second that. Or even just a version of iWeb that's not so limited. Like the fact that you can't open your iWeb site with a different web editor.
The next version of iWeb will include a shopping cart that allows visitors to use their iTunes account to purchase items.
...that otta' stir the pot!
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I'd like to see Apple make a Dreamweaver like HTML5 development program. It would make a nice addition to their pro apps suite.
No, actually, they should leave that for Adobe (for at least a year), then, if still no solution...
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Not overly difficult to say, but I agree they could have picked a better word.
IPlease please delete your excessively large sig font. You can choose to view as Full Site instead of iPhone.
Clicked on • http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=109366 and voted 'Agree!'
OK Solip...I click on the link in your signature...but how do I vote 'agree?'
The poll says you did vote 'Agree'.
While I'd like this, I think Adobe is in a much better position to do this.
Not a chance. They'd have to admit that Flash isn't God's gift to the Internet before they'd want to develop anything else.
Not a chance. They'd have to admit that Flash isn't God's gift to the Internet before they'd want to develop anything else.
Absolutely, there is a lot of hubris to get past, and surprised I forgot to include that as a reason why they won't do it until it's too late. My point was that between Flash Professional and Dreamweaver they are in the best position to offer a great solution.
And until HW acceleration is available on all browser. ( Like IE 9 ), Flash is still faster for animation..
The question that no one has answered is why Apple sponsored two Javascript Development framework? SproutCore and Gianduia both seems to offer the same thing.
make sure it works with firefox. Maybe someone can clear it up for me, is this Gianduia just a development tool/software for html5, or is this some sort of standard for HTML5 or something completely different. I don't really want another plugin.
It's not a plugin, as the article mentions many times.
The header is misleading. What Sproutcore and others trying to do has nothing to do with Flash.
It has everything to do with Flash (and Silverlight). If these rich web interaction can be handled by efficient and easily coded JS then there is no need for Flash (or Silverlight) for that same task. It doesn't have to do EVERYTHING Flash can do to pick away at it's usage and become prominent. Just look at the number of sites moving to HTML5 for video over Flash, and that is the start.
And until HW acceleration is available on all browser. ( Like IE 9 ), Flash is still faster for animation.
It doesn't have to be available for ALL browsers before it can be effective. Between WebKit-based browsers have a monopoly on mobile browsers and Firefox's market-share on the desktop I think that WebGL will have enough marketshare to be useful for those wanting to include animations. I don't see how Flash could possibly be faster (ie: resource efficient) than Flash. This is still new stuff and Flash isn't going away, but the facts are there are plenty of attacks on Flash on many fronts to which it will not be able to defend.
It has everything to do with Flash (and Silverlight).
Not really ? He's right and this is a very frustrating articles for several reasons. First the headline implies that Apple is developing some kind of Flash alternative. This has nothing to do with Flash and isn't being developed for market. As the article states, this was shown almost a year ago. Gianduia is just the codename of one of the five or so internal JavaScript frameworks that Apple has created to support some of the applications they're building. Apple employs Cocoa developers, so it advantageous for them to have web frameworks that mimic Cocoa frameworks.
This is in the same class as Cappuccino and SproutCore and I've never heard of them being billed as Flash replacements. They're for building better Gmail-like apps, which Flash has never really played a big part in.
Between WebKit-based browsers have a monopoly on mobile browsers and Firefox's market-share on the desktop I think that WebGL will have enough marketshare to be useful for those wanting to include animations.
WebGL (based on OpenGL ES) is a very deep API and I don't expect most web developers will pick it up any time soon. It's not really suited to just including a few animations on a page but rather providing a full shader-based, graphics programming pipeline. It'll be helpful for doing things like scientific visualizations or certain kinds of games. For the kinds of animations Flash is mostly used for, most benchmarks show that Canvas+JavaScript is more than performant. And it'll only get faster.
Anyway, my point is that AI is trying to position this as some kind of Flash alternative possibly desktop tool people can use to create Flash-like content and that may be released later this year. It's not ? it's a rich application JavaScript framework they've used internally and might possibly be open sourced for others to use like SproutCore. Programming essentially in Objective-C patterns with Cocoa-like API's while writing JavaScript is not going to appeal to the Flash programming crowd.