I think it could pretty much be guaranteed that some non-zero percentage of users would never do a wired sync again.
That will be the case. However, how far should that argument be carried out? Should Apple not provide the charger block for the risk that buyers never sync again and blame Apple? I don't know if my parents have ever synced their iPhones outside of initial activation. There's only so much that can be done to isolate yourself from stupid users.
Often times, I just want to add one song or a few pictures to my iPhone and it just seems unnecessary to stop my iPhone, unplug it, find the cable for my computer, plug it in, sync, and then reverse the steps to get it back to the device it was playing on.
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I think you may be embelishing your point here a bit. Despite the fact you spread it out over 2 sentences, unless you leave your cable on your roof this all takes a maximum of 5-10 seconds, which gaurenteed will be made up ten fold in the time it takes your computer took sync versus the time it takes to do it wirelessly.
Geez I mean I suppose its a neat idea, but are really we all that lazy that walking 10 steps to your computer to sync is a huge inconvenience? Does anyone ACTUALLY care that much about this app?
I don't know about that. One post here the other day had one douchebag posting approximately 40 times (1/10th of the thread), and I don't believe that is an exaggeration, but I lost count a couple of times ? and all he was doing was alternating between trollbaiting and defending himself against because accused of trolling.
Stop feeding the trolls, people. For the love of Jobs.
Eh, at least it's just 1 guy and you can ignore his comments and then the thread becomes clean. On MR it's just a straight cluster IMO, it's full of 1 liners and will take you 15 pages to find someone who cares enough to write a full analysis and are actually intelligent. I put up with the occasional troll on AI because the ratio of intelligent posts to worthless is probably 10 times higher than MR.
You see this over ATT's network in the near future (as you say it is not that far off)? You really are an optimist considering I got video about 25% of the time on the CBS NCAA app. When I got video most of the time it was highly pixelated and jerky.
But, right around the corner I am going to get "gapless, seemless, and in full quality, over the air" movies?
At the rate technology advances it really isnt that improbable man.
I mean, I'm sure 20 years ago two people had a conversation where one said "your telling me right around the corner from now I will be able to carry a little wireless phone in my pocket and be able to talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere?!?!
I always wanted wireless syncing but not on my iPhone but on my iPod Nano. I use it while running and most of the time I'm listening to podcasts so I'm continually moving them on and off. Big difference is I hardly ever charge my Nano. That thing can go weeks without a charge due to the fact I'm using about an hour a day. However with my iPhone it's getting charged once a day (sometime even more frequently) and it's syncing while it charges so for me it wouldn't be that great for me.
That being said I think there's probably a lot of people that would use it so I see a place for it in the iTunes App Store.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
Gee, wasn't that long ago Apple fans were derisively fighting off nearly identical defenses of Microsoft. I'm amazed how many people continue to give Apple a pass for things that were "bad" when Microsoft was involved.
It's before my time so I'm not sure of the details of the gripes of Apple users then, but there is a slight difference: Apple does not have 90% of the market; it doesn't even have half! In fact, Android fanboys were celebrating that the Android has "won" the market war against the iPhone (though that hasn't stopped anybody from calling the iPhone a monopoly, so maybe I'm thinking about this too logically).
What would provide value is being able to sync these devices with a time capsule or some other always on device. Requiring a computer with iTunes to activate your iPad is just lame! Don't get me wrong... Love the iPad, but didn't get why I couldn't use it out of the box. At some point these things need to stop being accessories.
See my post above...I totally agree with you. I was just thinking Apple needs some kind of Hybrid AppleTV+Time Capsule = iHome. That way users don't need a computer at all to own an iPod/Pad/Phone. They can use the iHome with built-in iTunes, and sync all devices from that. It would open a huge market of away from PC/Laptops completely and into something the Average person (notice i don't call them "users") could own.
of course they do already have a device out there that does all this, it's called the Mac Mini, but what i'm referring to should be much simpler, like the iPad, but just a base station you can connect to your modem and TV, use your "accessories" to control it.
Ya I mean I think its been said to death already but again it's APPLE'S App store. People take these rules for creating apps way to far.. they are guidelines for creating apps that have an opportunity to be excepted, but they aren't laws placed on apple. Apple can reject an app simply because they think it won't get downloaded.. or that it sucks. They OWN the store.. It has THEIR name on it.. if they don't want something represented in their store, they have every right to say no.
We've only heard second hand from the dev as to Apples reasoning. He hasn't published their official response. As far as I can see, this app is not what Apple intends Apps to be, therefor, it isn't approved, and it wouldn't be approved. Common sense dictates it. Everyone knows a 3rd party app can only transfer files to and from itself with a pc, (wirelessly), not the built in apple apps. Syncing does exactly that. So the dev knew it and wasted his time anyway to force the issue into discussion when Apple inevitably rejected. End of story.
Ya I mean I think its been said to death already but again it's APPLE'S App store. People take these rules for creating apps way to far.. they are guidelines for creating apps that have an opportunity to be excepted, but they aren't laws placed on apple. Apple can reject an app simply because they think it won't get downloaded.. or that it sucks. They OWN the store.. It has THEIR name on it.. if they don't want something represented in their store, they have every right to say no.
It is Apple's store but they have to show some respect to the devs. He broke no rules. Period. It's not even like there is a chance to sell his app on the web to iPhone OS users unless they jailbreak. If this kind of thing continues, no dev is going to waste time and money (for some tens of thousands of dollars) creating an app that might get rejected. All the iPhone will become is a glorified game machine this way.
It may be a security risk though I'm sure most in this forum wouldn't know because they haven't used the app or don't have the expertise (like myself). I can say that the Zune has been doing this for years and I've not heard any complaints.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
That will be the case. However, how far should that argument be carried out? Should Apple not provide the charger block for the risk that buyers never sync again and blame Apple? I don't know if my parents have ever synced their iPhones outside of initial activation. There's only so much that can be done to isolate yourself from stupid users.
It's not about isolating oneself from stupid users (the scenario where one doesn't sync at all and the one where one syncs without backup are not equivalent) it's about things working as expected. A sync where backup isn't done is not as expected, and even if it's the fault of users and a 3rd party (although, offering it in the app store can be seen as Apple sanctioning it) Apple ends up with the support burden and the bad feelings of users.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
Never?
How do you get your podcasts?
And you answered:
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Originally Posted by antkm1
I've got a perpetual motion charger plugged into it, smarty pants...
So I am to understand that your 'Perpetual Motion Charger' does not charge your iPod, but you can download podcasts with it?
Ya I mean I think its been said to death already but again it's APPLE'S App store. People take these rules for creating apps way to far.. they are guidelines for creating apps that have an opportunity to be excepted, but they aren't laws placed on apple. Apple can reject an app simply because they think it won't get downloaded.. or that it sucks. They OWN the store.. It has THEIR name on it.. if they don't want something represented in their store, they have every right to say no.
True, but there is a symbiotic relationship that Jobs often appears to hold in less regard than he should. Unwittingly or not, he fosters the perception that he feels developers should be grateful for his platform, and they should be thankful he allows them to sell apps in his store. I'm not saying he does/doesn't believe that, but that his actions can be taken as such by some. "Some" include companies (people) who invest time, energy, creativity, and intellectual/monetary capital to put products on "his" store. How many apps does Apple create? Without the efforts of developers to populate "his" store with things people want to buy, there would be no reason to buy "his" phone or "his" iPad.
iPod?yes, it's a great stand-alone music player and iTunes is a terrific, convenient way to purchase and manage digital music (though, Apple does not create music either) with or without apps. The iPhone without apps is just a not-so-special phone that costs more than most, and is tied to one carrier with questionable coverage. Without the apps, the iPad is an expensive portable but overly heavy email/web browsing, video and music device that has too small of storage capacity to be worth the price for the latter two functions.
What I'm getting at is that Apple, as far as keeping it's edge as a mobile device maker, needs app developers as much, and yes probably more, than they need Apple. As Droid becomes more evolved and ubiquitous, developers will invest their time, energy, and money in the platform that yields the greatest profit and is the least pain in the as$ to develop for. The only reliable constant in life is the fact that everything changes. Right now Apple is the mobile king, so Jobs can afford to be a bit of a bully. If and when (probably when) the worm turns, developers will remember the present atmosphere Jobs is creating. Better to be a little pushy with a smile and a bit of understanding, than to be an obnoxious bully with no empathy on the day people in that symbiotic relationship whom you've been trying to get your way with, realize they outnumber you.
If this guy really wanted to stick it to Apple and get rich at the same time he would put it on Cydia and Rock for 99cents, even for just a few days. Everyone would get it.
If this guy really wanted to stick it to Apple and get rich at the same time he would put it on Cydia and Rock for 99cents, even for just a few days. Everyone would get it.
When you ask folks that come here to name all the iPhone apps that Apple has rejected you will be lucky to get more than a dozen names. And more often than not, half of them weren't rejected at all.
If you asked how many developers made money on Cydia or Rock. I doubt there are more than a couple. In fact, I doubt that anybody could name any of the apps that are posted there.
Certainly doesn't seem that these two sites with less than 175 apps that nobody knows about are worth jailbreaking their iPhone over.
Opting out for a Good Will App store vs Apples iTunes App store with over 200,000 apps to choose from just doesn't equate to Apples' developer strategy of going down anytime soon.
And your contention that if 'this' guy did put it on C or R for even a few days that everyone would get it is 'wishful' thinking. Heck, most of the complainers here don't own an iPhone in the first place.
It is Apple's store but they have to show some respect to the devs. He broke no rules. Period.
He didn't? How do you know that?
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Originally Posted by robogobo
If this guy really wanted to stick it to Apple and get rich at the same time he would put it on Cydia and Rock for 99cents, even for just a few days. Everyone would get it.
And at the end of the year, he'd have a full $9.90.
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Originally Posted by GMHut
True, but there is a symbiotic relationship that Jobs often appears to hold in less regard than he should. Unwittingly or not, he fosters the perception that he feels developers should be grateful for his platform, and they should be thankful he allows them to sell apps in his store.
And why isn't that true? There are a lot of stories about little developers making thousands of dollars a week when they had never published an app before. Face it - publishing and selling an app the old-fashioned way was difficult, time-consuming, and unlikely to yield any profit. With the App Store, it's much, much easier for the little guy.
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I think it could pretty much be guaranteed that some non-zero percentage of users would never do a wired sync again.
That will be the case. However, how far should that argument be carried out? Should Apple not provide the charger block for the risk that buyers never sync again and blame Apple? I don't know if my parents have ever synced their iPhones outside of initial activation. There's only so much that can be done to isolate yourself from stupid users.
Often times, I just want to add one song or a few pictures to my iPhone and it just seems unnecessary to stop my iPhone, unplug it, find the cable for my computer, plug it in, sync, and then reverse the steps to get it back to the device it was playing on.
QUOTE]
I think you may be embelishing your point here a bit. Despite the fact you spread it out over 2 sentences, unless you leave your cable on your roof this all takes a maximum of 5-10 seconds, which gaurenteed will be made up ten fold in the time it takes your computer took sync versus the time it takes to do it wirelessly.
Geez I mean I suppose its a neat idea, but are really we all that lazy that walking 10 steps to your computer to sync is a huge inconvenience? Does anyone ACTUALLY care that much about this app?
I don't know about that. One post here the other day had one douchebag posting approximately 40 times (1/10th of the thread), and I don't believe that is an exaggeration, but I lost count a couple of times ? and all he was doing was alternating between trollbaiting and defending himself against because accused of trolling.
Stop feeding the trolls, people. For the love of Jobs.
Eh, at least it's just 1 guy and you can ignore his comments and then the thread becomes clean. On MR it's just a straight cluster IMO, it's full of 1 liners and will take you 15 pages to find someone who cares enough to write a full analysis and are actually intelligent. I put up with the occasional troll on AI because the ratio of intelligent posts to worthless is probably 10 times higher than MR.
You see this over ATT's network in the near future (as you say it is not that far off)? You really are an optimist considering I got video about 25% of the time on the CBS NCAA app. When I got video most of the time it was highly pixelated and jerky.
But, right around the corner I am going to get "gapless, seemless, and in full quality, over the air" movies?
At the rate technology advances it really isnt that improbable man.
I mean, I'm sure 20 years ago two people had a conversation where one said "your telling me right around the corner from now I will be able to carry a little wireless phone in my pocket and be able to talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere?!?!
Lol crazier things have happened dude...
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/05/14/apple-responds/
Thru Gruber!
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I always wanted wireless syncing but not on my iPhone but on my iPod Nano. I use it while running and most of the time I'm listening to podcasts so I'm continually moving them on and off. Big difference is I hardly ever charge my Nano. That thing can go weeks without a charge due to the fact I'm using about an hour a day. However with my iPhone it's getting charged once a day (sometime even more frequently) and it's syncing while it charges so for me it wouldn't be that great for me.
That being said I think there's probably a lot of people that would use it so I see a place for it in the iTunes App Store.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
Thanks for making the battle lines clear, Apple!
Gee, wasn't that long ago Apple fans were derisively fighting off nearly identical defenses of Microsoft. I'm amazed how many people continue to give Apple a pass for things that were "bad" when Microsoft was involved.
It's before my time so I'm not sure of the details of the gripes of Apple users then, but there is a slight difference: Apple does not have 90% of the market; it doesn't even have half! In fact, Android fanboys were celebrating that the Android has "won" the market war against the iPhone (though that hasn't stopped anybody from calling the iPhone a monopoly, so maybe I'm thinking about this too logically).
What would provide value is being able to sync these devices with a time capsule or some other always on device. Requiring a computer with iTunes to activate your iPad is just lame! Don't get me wrong... Love the iPad, but didn't get why I couldn't use it out of the box. At some point these things need to stop being accessories.
See my post above...I totally agree with you. I was just thinking Apple needs some kind of Hybrid AppleTV+Time Capsule = iHome. That way users don't need a computer at all to own an iPod/Pad/Phone. They can use the iHome with built-in iTunes, and sync all devices from that. It would open a huge market of away from PC/Laptops completely and into something the Average person (notice i don't call them "users") could own.
of course they do already have a device out there that does all this, it's called the Mac Mini, but what i'm referring to should be much simpler, like the iPad, but just a base station you can connect to your modem and TV, use your "accessories" to control it.
Ya I mean I think its been said to death already but again it's APPLE'S App store. People take these rules for creating apps way to far.. they are guidelines for creating apps that have an opportunity to be excepted, but they aren't laws placed on apple. Apple can reject an app simply because they think it won't get downloaded.. or that it sucks. They OWN the store.. It has THEIR name on it.. if they don't want something represented in their store, they have every right to say no.
It is Apple's store but they have to show some respect to the devs. He broke no rules. Period. It's not even like there is a chance to sell his app on the web to iPhone OS users unless they jailbreak. If this kind of thing continues, no dev is going to waste time and money (for some tens of thousands of dollars) creating an app that might get rejected. All the iPhone will become is a glorified game machine this way.
It may be a security risk though I'm sure most in this forum wouldn't know because they haven't used the app or don't have the expertise (like myself). I can say that the Zune has been doing this for years and I've not heard any complaints.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
Never?
How do you get your podcasts?
Never?
How do you get your podcasts?
I've got a perpetual motion charger plugged into it, smarty pants...
That will be the case. However, how far should that argument be carried out? Should Apple not provide the charger block for the risk that buyers never sync again and blame Apple? I don't know if my parents have ever synced their iPhones outside of initial activation. There's only so much that can be done to isolate yourself from stupid users.
It's not about isolating oneself from stupid users (the scenario where one doesn't sync at all and the one where one syncs without backup are not equivalent) it's about things working as expected. A sync where backup isn't done is not as expected, and even if it's the fault of users and a 3rd party (although, offering it in the app store can be seen as Apple sanctioning it) Apple ends up with the support burden and the bad feelings of users.
I totally agree with you. I too am a Podcast junkie as well, i use my iPod Classic about 3-6 hours per day and i never have to charge it. It goes back to my previous comment that Apple is missing a huge market of people that want an ipod/phone/pad, but don't want to rely on thier computer to sync.
Never?
How do you get your podcasts?
And you answered:
I've got a perpetual motion charger plugged into it, smarty pants...
So I am to understand that your 'Perpetual Motion Charger' does not charge your iPod, but you can download podcasts with it?
Ya I mean I think its been said to death already but again it's APPLE'S App store. People take these rules for creating apps way to far.. they are guidelines for creating apps that have an opportunity to be excepted, but they aren't laws placed on apple. Apple can reject an app simply because they think it won't get downloaded.. or that it sucks. They OWN the store.. It has THEIR name on it.. if they don't want something represented in their store, they have every right to say no.
True, but there is a symbiotic relationship that Jobs often appears to hold in less regard than he should. Unwittingly or not, he fosters the perception that he feels developers should be grateful for his platform, and they should be thankful he allows them to sell apps in his store. I'm not saying he does/doesn't believe that, but that his actions can be taken as such by some. "Some" include companies (people) who invest time, energy, creativity, and intellectual/monetary capital to put products on "his" store. How many apps does Apple create? Without the efforts of developers to populate "his" store with things people want to buy, there would be no reason to buy "his" phone or "his" iPad.
iPod?yes, it's a great stand-alone music player and iTunes is a terrific, convenient way to purchase and manage digital music (though, Apple does not create music either) with or without apps. The iPhone without apps is just a not-so-special phone that costs more than most, and is tied to one carrier with questionable coverage. Without the apps, the iPad is an expensive portable but overly heavy email/web browsing, video and music device that has too small of storage capacity to be worth the price for the latter two functions.
What I'm getting at is that Apple, as far as keeping it's edge as a mobile device maker, needs app developers as much, and yes probably more, than they need Apple. As Droid becomes more evolved and ubiquitous, developers will invest their time, energy, and money in the platform that yields the greatest profit and is the least pain in the as$ to develop for. The only reliable constant in life is the fact that everything changes. Right now Apple is the mobile king, so Jobs can afford to be a bit of a bully. If and when (probably when) the worm turns, developers will remember the present atmosphere Jobs is creating. Better to be a little pushy with a smile and a bit of understanding, than to be an obnoxious bully with no empathy on the day people in that symbiotic relationship whom you've been trying to get your way with, realize they outnumber you.
If this guy really wanted to stick it to Apple and get rich at the same time he would put it on Cydia and Rock for 99cents, even for just a few days. Everyone would get it.
When you ask folks that come here to name all the iPhone apps that Apple has rejected you will be lucky to get more than a dozen names. And more often than not, half of them weren't rejected at all.
If you asked how many developers made money on Cydia or Rock. I doubt there are more than a couple. In fact, I doubt that anybody could name any of the apps that are posted there.
Certainly doesn't seem that these two sites with less than 175 apps that nobody knows about are worth jailbreaking their iPhone over.
Opting out for a Good Will App store vs Apples iTunes App store with over 200,000 apps to choose from just doesn't equate to Apples' developer strategy of going down anytime soon.
And your contention that if 'this' guy did put it on C or R for even a few days that everyone would get it is 'wishful' thinking. Heck, most of the complainers here don't own an iPhone in the first place.
It is Apple's store but they have to show some respect to the devs. He broke no rules. Period.
He didn't? How do you know that?
If this guy really wanted to stick it to Apple and get rich at the same time he would put it on Cydia and Rock for 99cents, even for just a few days. Everyone would get it.
And at the end of the year, he'd have a full $9.90.
True, but there is a symbiotic relationship that Jobs often appears to hold in less regard than he should. Unwittingly or not, he fosters the perception that he feels developers should be grateful for his platform, and they should be thankful he allows them to sell apps in his store.
And why isn't that true? There are a lot of stories about little developers making thousands of dollars a week when they had never published an app before. Face it - publishing and selling an app the old-fashioned way was difficult, time-consuming, and unlikely to yield any profit. With the App Store, it's much, much easier for the little guy.