Have you seen the IE9 preview? The IE devs are more on track than they have ever been in the past. They are focusing on hardware acceleration which is exactly where they should be looking.
We are very close to being at a point when JavaScript speed tests won't mean jack. If HTML5 is ever going to replace Flash then GPU acceleration is the key.
Of course Apple/Google/Mozilla/Opera know this as well and are all at various stages of adding GPU acceleration, and they will probably all be to market before IE9, but it's not like the IE devs are sitting around doing nothing.
I'd love if someone could run the demos below in Safari 5 as I won't get a chance to install and test it for a few days. The IE9 preview never drops below 60fps on my PC.
I'm getting 60fps on both of them, but they do drop down below 60fps. I'd say I have an average of 58fps on the first test and 55fps on the second test. Strangely, I tested this in Chrome 5 and they both drop to 5fps ? yeah, five fps ? or below.
Sweet! I would say that means Safari 5 is currently the fastest browser for HTML5 rich websites!
I think we should expect to see more articles and demo pages on this in the coming months. The speed a browser can execute JavaScript has reached a point that it simply doesn't matter any more. GPU acceleration is the new "fastest browser" frontier!
Try the FlickrExplorer as well. Wait until everything is loaded and zoom in\\out by clicking. This is the only demo that really slows down Opera (about 30fps in parts). IE9 is still running at close to 60fps. In Chrome and Firefox I actually say 1fps at points.
Impressing kiddies with how easy you generate PDF on the fly is OK, but why lose so helplessly text/images flow layout of pages which belong to others?
One exploit and the joke (if not suit) is on you...
Ogg Theora is worth 5 points and each of the Mp3, Ogg Vorbis and AAC are worth 2 points each. We kow Apple won't support any Ogg codecs and it seems none of the other audio codecs are getting love. Their reasoning likely has to do with the OS or QT handling them better, but who knows, maybe the test is bad.
Here are the all tests that they don't pass...
Video(Safari 5 doesn't support this, but Chrome 5 does)
Ogg Theora codec support
Audio(Safari 5 doesn't support these, but Chrome 5 does)
MP3 codec support
Ogg Vorbis codec support
AAC codec support
Text-level semantic elements
time element
Forms
autocomplete input attribute
list input attribute (Chrome 5 doesn't support this, but Safari 5 does)
keygen element
output element
progress element
meter element
User interaction
hidden attribute
Undo manager
What extra test(s) is it passing?
I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?
Cripes! Safari 5 is really, terribly slow on my MacPro. Pages that were opening in split-seconds with 4.0.5 only a few minutes ago are now taking several seconds with the update. Something is very wrong.
You've just rebooted. Memory caching is happening again.
I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?
You probably have the Ogg plugin installed. Adds about 7 to the score. I don't know why it says AAC and MP3 aren't supported. Perhaps because they're handled by quicktime.
Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.
LOL
Take away their favorite multi-tasking gripe... Flash is a non-issue, since it doesn't run on 'droid phones either... and all they've got left to whine about are design quibbles.
Apple seems to have taken away their entire reason for existence.
Forget all the new features for a second ... Safari 5 has something else going for it.
Although I use a Mac Pro 8 core, MacBook and all the latest toys I also use an old iBook G4 a lot for web surfing to test web sites across the range of hardware and well, I just like it. It has 512 MB and runs OS X 10.5.8.
Ever since Safari 4+ web reading has been a real pain on the iBook. The poor thing's hard drive never stopped accessing when on the likes of CNN's web site. Even with Click4Flash the fan soon was on and it got hotter than hell. I suspected it was about time to lay it to rest.
Enter Safari 5 last night...
The iBook is silent, it seems to hardly ever access the drive, it is lighting fast (dare I say very snappy) and plays videos again (it was too slow to even try). It is like a new computer! I haven't had much time to test on higher end and newer Macs but this little machine is the 'Mac that could' again! Thank you Apple
Macbook Pro i7 with 8 gigs ram. Took Safari 5 on a little trip to the Apple site to view the FaceTime video. Got about 5 seconds of video followed by a freeze frame and beach ball for 20 seconds. Then the video zoomed forward super fast to where it would have been after 20 seconds. Then it beachballed again. Reloaded the page and it played fine. Similar issues with the iPhone 4 video.
Not impressed. Can I have Safari 4 back now please?
Oooh, that's not good news.
I have the same MBP (+hi-res/anti-glare), so maybe I'll hold off until the .01 update appears in a few days.
So, what's all this talk of Tabs on top?
Does that mean on top, as in where the window title bar should be? THAT would SUCK.
I HATED that in the Safari 4 beta releases. I even ran some terminal thingie to put them back where they belong.
After I installed Safari 5, I lost the ability to view my "Watch Instantly" on Netflix! I had to switch to Chrome to watch my show last night! Thankfully Hulu still works! Netflix please fix your site!
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? No extensions as of yet to test, but I doubt I'll use them..
the only thing that I might is ad blocker and perhaps a streaming video catcher. I use those two on firefox a lot.
Reader is great if I might add! Just what I thought but sadly, ads are still running in the background!
Have you seen the IE9 preview? The IE devs are more on track than they have ever been in the past. They are focusing on hardware acceleration which is exactly where they should be looking.
We are very close to being at a point when JavaScript speed tests won't mean jack. If HTML5 is ever going to replace Flash then GPU acceleration is the key.
Of course Apple/Google/Mozilla/Opera know this as well and are all at various stages of adding GPU acceleration, and they will probably all be to market before IE9, but it's not like the IE devs are sitting around doing nothing.
I'd love if someone could run the demos below in Safari 5 as I won't get a chance to install and test it for a few days. The IE9 preview never drops below 60fps on my PC.
Browser Flip
Flying Images
I'm getting 60fps on both of them, but they do drop down below 60fps. I'd say I have an average of 58fps on the first test and 55fps on the second test. Strangely, I tested this in Chrome 5 and they both drop to 5fps ? yeah, five fps ? or below.
Sweet! I would say that means Safari 5 is currently the fastest browser for HTML5 rich websites!
I think we should expect to see more articles and demo pages on this in the coming months. The speed a browser can execute JavaScript has reached a point that it simply doesn't matter any more. GPU acceleration is the new "fastest browser" frontier!
Try the FlickrExplorer as well. Wait until everything is loaded and zoom in\\out by clicking. This is the only demo that really slows down Opera (about 30fps in parts). IE9 is still running at close to 60fps. In Chrome and Firefox I actually say 1fps at points.
I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.
I can confirm reader is there under 10.5.8
Impressing kiddies with how easy you generate PDF on the fly is OK, but why lose so helplessly text/images flow layout of pages which belong to others?
One exploit and the joke (if not suit) is on you...
Ogg Theora is worth 5 points and each of the Mp3, Ogg Vorbis and AAC are worth 2 points each. We kow Apple won't support any Ogg codecs and it seems none of the other audio codecs are getting love. Their reasoning likely has to do with the OS or QT handling them better, but who knows, maybe the test is bad.
Here are the all tests that they don't pass...
Audio (Safari 5 doesn't support these, but Chrome 5 does)
Text-level semantic elements
Forms
User interaction
What extra test(s) is it passing?
I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?
Cripes! Safari 5 is really, terribly slow on my MacPro. Pages that were opening in split-seconds with 4.0.5 only a few minutes ago are now taking several seconds with the update. Something is very wrong.
You've just rebooted. Memory caching is happening again.
I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?
You probably have the Ogg plugin installed. Adds about 7 to the score. I don't know why it says AAC and MP3 aren't supported. Perhaps because they're handled by quicktime.
I wonder if Apple has some guidelines for HTML developers to assist the feature?
Still use FF for a lot of thing though since unlike FF, I'm pretty sure it won't save tabs when I quit.
The Reader functionality is great, but it's a real shame it doesn't work on AppleInsider itself!
I wonder if Apple has some guidelines for HTML developers to assist the feature?
It works with articles on AppleInsider here. The reader button appears only when the page is almost fully loaded.
Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.
LOL
Take away their favorite multi-tasking gripe... Flash is a non-issue, since it doesn't run on 'droid phones either... and all they've got left to whine about are design quibbles.
Apple seems to have taken away their entire reason for existence.
Although I use a Mac Pro 8 core, MacBook and all the latest toys I also use an old iBook G4 a lot for web surfing to test web sites across the range of hardware and well, I just like it. It has 512 MB and runs OS X 10.5.8.
Ever since Safari 4+ web reading has been a real pain on the iBook. The poor thing's hard drive never stopped accessing when on the likes of CNN's web site. Even with Click4Flash the fan soon was on and it got hotter than hell. I suspected it was about time to lay it to rest.
Enter Safari 5 last night...
The iBook is silent, it seems to hardly ever access the drive, it is lighting fast (dare I say very snappy) and plays videos again (it was too slow to even try). It is like a new computer! I haven't had much time to test on higher end and newer Macs but this little machine is the 'Mac that could' again! Thank you Apple
no tabs on top for me please, if I need extra screen I go full screen using glims.
Glims & click2flash still work, yeah!!
Glims works? Cool. I was holding off installing for that.
1Password is the fastest updater in the West.
I'd LOVE to see someone release a plug-in like Concierge... steroid driven bookmark tool.
Macbook Pro i7 with 8 gigs ram. Took Safari 5 on a little trip to the Apple site to view the FaceTime video. Got about 5 seconds of video followed by a freeze frame and beach ball for 20 seconds. Then the video zoomed forward super fast to where it would have been after 20 seconds. Then it beachballed again. Reloaded the page and it played fine. Similar issues with the iPhone 4 video.
Not impressed. Can I have Safari 4 back now please?
Oooh, that's not good news.
I have the same MBP (+hi-res/anti-glare), so maybe I'll hold off until the .01 update appears in a few days.
So, what's all this talk of Tabs on top?
Does that mean on top, as in where the window title bar should be? THAT would SUCK.
I HATED that in the Safari 4 beta releases. I even ran some terminal thingie to put them back where they belong.
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RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)
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Total: 372.2ms +/- 0.6%
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3d: 44.4ms +/- 4.7%
cube: 15.6ms +/- 4.4%
morph: 13.4ms +/- 10.6%
raytrace: 15.4ms +/- 4.4%
access: 44.8ms +/- 3.0%
binary-trees: 10.2ms +/- 5.5%
fannkuch: 17.2ms +/- 3.2%
nbody: 10.6ms +/- 6.4%
nsieve: 6.8ms +/- 15.3%
bitops: 25.4ms +/- 6.6%
3bit-bits-in-byte: 3.6ms +/- 18.9%
bits-in-byte: 8.0ms +/- 11.0%
bitwise-and: 4.6ms +/- 14.8%
nsieve-bits: 9.2ms +/- 22.2%
controlflow: 4.2ms +/- 13.2%
recursive: 4.2ms +/- 13.2%
crypto: 21.0ms +/- 4.2%
aes: 11.4ms +/- 6.0%
md5: 5.2ms +/- 10.7%
sha1: 4.4ms +/- 15.5%
date: 46.8ms +/- 3.9%
format-tofte: 26.4ms +/- 2.6%
format-xparb: 20.4ms +/- 10.2%
math: 32.8ms +/- 1.7%
cordic: 10.0ms +/- 0.0%
partial-sums: 15.8ms +/- 3.5%
spectral-norm: 7.0ms +/- 0.0%
regexp: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%
dna: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%
string: 136.4ms +/- 4.0%
base64: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%
fasta: 16.6ms +/- 11.4%
tagcloud: 27.4ms +/- 2.5%
unpack-code: 45.2ms +/- 1.2%
validate-input: 30.8ms +/- 17.9%
Sunspider test
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RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)
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Total: 372.2ms +/- 0.6%
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What does all that mean to humans, in English?