AdMob CEO says Apple's iOS terms are not in best interest of consumers

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  • Reply 81 of 188
    beltsbearbeltsbear Posts: 314member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fattychance View Post


    In all seriousness, I think they are literally giving the bird to the FTC antitrust division.



    There can be no doubt that iOS is a computer operating system of which Apple has 100% market share.





    Thats like saying Ford should be under FTC investigation because it has 100% share of Mustang sales.
  • Reply 82 of 188
    yensid98yensid98 Posts: 311member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    On Monday, section 3.3.9 was modified again, this time to state that applications "may not collect, use, or disclose to any third party, user or device data without prior consent."



    That to me speaks directly to consumer privacy. I definitely want to be notified when my location and other data are being transmitted to an outside entity. That kind of transfer should never happen without the consumers direct permission.



    Thanks Apple.
  • Reply 83 of 188
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post




    "This change threatens to decrease -- or even eliminate -- revenue that helps to support tens of thousands of developers," Hamoui wrote. "The terms hurt both large and small developers by severely limiting their choice of how best to make money. And because advertising funds a huge number of free and low cost apps, these terms are bad for consumers as well."






    Yes. ISTM that Apple is using its market power in the app market in order to unfairly compete in the ad market.
  • Reply 84 of 188
    joe hsjoe hs Posts: 488member
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    Originally Posted by ncee View Post


    Hey, I don't want ANY information about me, my phone, my life, me in general going to anyone, when I make a phone call.



    I'm not making the phone call so that every focking tom dick and harry can get information and then bombard me with fockin ad's and telling me, that based on the information they took from me, I SHOULD be interested in this that of the other thing, and that based on this information I might be interested in buying this or that.



    Let ME decided what I want for information, what I want to look at, what I want to buy!



    This is NOT matter of Big Brother looking for my should (at least not only this), but damn folks, are we really all fine with everyone knowing way to MUCH about us!



    Hell, if I watch or download porn, I don't want or need anyone else knowing this!

    If I purchase certain kinds of books, or movies, I don't want or need anyone else knowing this!

    If I purchase a grill, the last god damn thing I want, is to now get a ton of ad's telling me how good Rachel Raye BBQ sauces are, or to use Kingsford charcoal, or that swiss cheese is great with that kind of hamburger!



    Folks, I think we're ALL taking this a bit to lightly.



    Folks, don't forget, we're giving away for FREE, information, that in turn, others will use to SELL US something! If you are using MY information, then PAY me for it! Why should these folks be allowed to take all this information they collect, for free, and then turn around and sell it to others, who in turn, want to sell us shit we either already have, or currently have no need for, or no cash for.



    Sorry folks, this is just getting a bit scary for me.



    Skip



    I agree, if ad companies want my information then they should pay me for it.
  • Reply 85 of 188
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    Originally Posted by manfrommars View Post


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    This is equally as slimy in that this guy is in a twist that he can't secretly gather private info anymore.



    ...



    Undoubtedly, upon acquisition by Google, his bonus and stock options were tied to an increase in ad revenue, competitive data, and a post-acquisition period of stock value increase. His earnings potential has just been seriously eroded by Apple's action. His is a desperate plea, i.e., distortion, to the court of public opinion.
  • Reply 86 of 188
    cavallocavallo Posts: 57member
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    Originally Posted by Elian Gonzalez View Post


    The sentiment is understandable, but ultimately, this is probably not true, UNLESS customers want to pay higher prices for goods because there's no money coming in to manufacturers to promote and sell their products.



    What? What about the model where manufacturers make money from the purchase price?



    If an app can't make money by any other means than annoying me, then it's almost certainly not worth having. How many well-designed, useful apps are adware?



    Yes, I would and do absolutely pay more for ad-free apps that are truly useful. Losing the ads would let the cream rise to the top, IMO. Having the ads simply provides a crutch for talentless hacks to still make a buck off their junk.
  • Reply 87 of 188
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,681member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stevie View Post


    Yes. ISTM that Apple is using its market power in the app market in order to unfairly compete in the ad market.



    HAHAHA, you look like a total Google tool when you write things like that.
  • Reply 88 of 188
    belunosbelunos Posts: 23member
    I think my exact thought after reading the article was 'of course he'd say that'.
  • Reply 89 of 188
    belunosbelunos Posts: 23member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    HAHAHA, you look like a total Google tool when you write things like that.



    You look like a general tool for not being able to discern sarcasm
  • Reply 90 of 188
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Nonsense! AdMob can still place ads, they just can't use their ad service to do market research on the iPhone for Android and violate user privacy. And there are plenty of other ad options for developers as well. This won't hurt consumers or developers in any way.



    So, given that the new provision does not prohibit Apple or most other mobile ad companies from collecting the data, are they all violating user privacy?
  • Reply 91 of 188
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by stevetim View Post


    This is bull ... the revenue is diverted to apple instead of google. Who is to say if Apple will pay out more or they will? There is no way to know that this early in the game.





    Without competition, there is no real reason to "pay out more". That is why we have antitrust laws; to preserve competition.
  • Reply 92 of 188
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    I want money I spend on iTunes and generated by my using advertising services to go into Apple's R&D and to App store developers not towards competitors products.



    If Android can't afford to maintain a vibrant development community why should Apple users pay for it?



    Apple shouldn't be expected to subsidise competitors development costs via the back door of milking revenue from users.



    Bring it on Google, it's time your information collecting activities were brought under the spotlight of the FCC, let's see how deep your tentacles really reach.
  • Reply 93 of 188
    tawilsontawilson Posts: 484member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fattychance View Post


    In all seriousness, I think they are literally giving the bird to the FTC antitrust division.



    There can be no doubt that iOS is a computer operating system of which Apple has 100% market share.



    Excuse me!!!!



    Are you saying that Apple has 100% market share in computer operating systems? I think Microsoft would disagree.



    Or are you actually making the most ridiculous point ever made? i.e.:



    Apple has 100% market share of iOS



    Cos, by that twisted logic:



    Microsoft has 100% market share of Windows

    Be Inc. had/has 100% market share of BeOS

    HP has 100% market share of webOS

    Commodore had 100% market share of Amiga OS

    etc., etc.



    If your point is as I laid out above, you don't have a clue!



    iOS is not a market, it as Operating System. Operating Systems is a market, and I believe Microsoft pretty much dominates that market.
  • Reply 94 of 188
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevetim View Post


    On iPhones i think iAd has potential to pay out much more than other services.





    Without having competition? How would that work? Are you positing some radical new economic phenomenon here?



    Apple is saying "You want ad revenue from your app? Take our deal, or take no deal."



    Likely this would be fine if Apple did not have such a large, dominating position in the mobile app market. Don't they sell billions of them? Does anybody else?



    First Apple said that if devs want to sell apps at the dominant store, they have to be written so that they cannot be sold in any other store. Then they tell devs that if they want ad revenue, they cannot shop for the best deal, because Apple has hamstrung the competition from offering advertisers the info they want - so iAds is the only way to make ad money with mobile apps.



    If Apple doesn't get slapped for this, it will be because despite these moves, apple is unsuccessful in shutting down other manufacturers from adopting Android OS, and that will be because of there being lots and lots of competing app stores selling apps for other platforms.



    But I think that if Apple is successful in stifling competition in the ad market, they will get slapped badly.
  • Reply 95 of 188
    charelcharel Posts: 93member
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  • Reply 96 of 188
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iansilv View Post


    Isn't it like, really easy to implement iAds?



    Exactly. If a developer can't utilize iAds, then what quality of app are they developing?



    Poor Googie
  • Reply 97 of 188
    porchlandporchland Posts: 478member
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  • Reply 98 of 188
    stevetimstevetim Posts: 482member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stevie View Post


    Without having competition? How would that work? Are you positing some radical new economic phenomenon here?



    Apple is saying "You want ad revenue from your app? Take our deal, or take no deal."



    Likely this would be fine if Apple did not have such a large, dominating position in the mobile app market. Don't they sell billions of them? Does anybody else?



    First Apple said that if devs want to sell apps at the dominant store, they have to be written so that they cannot be sold in any other store. Then they tell devs that if they want ad revenue, they cannot shop for the best deal, because Apple has hamstrung the competition from offering advertisers the info they want - so iAds is the only way to make ad money with mobile apps.



    If Apple doesn't get slapped for this, it will be because despite these moves, apple is unsuccessful in shutting down other manufacturers from adopting Android OS, and that will be because of there being lots and lots of competing app stores selling apps for other platforms.



    But I think that if Apple is successful in stifling competition in the ad market, they will get slapped badly.



    Who says there is no competition? There is plenty of competition.
  • Reply 99 of 188
    oxygenhoseoxygenhose Posts: 236member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacHead75 View Post


    Google is starting to realize that competing with Apple isn't as easy as they thought!



    Well they are a telemarketing company, Apple makes stuff.



    Google even with all their self inflating yammering, is still just a website.

    And if there's one thing you always be certain of... bookmarks change.
  • Reply 100 of 188
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    They can still sell ads through apps, just not collect private information.



    "They" can still collect all the private information they want, and "they" can use that information for the most nefarious sort of stuff that they can dream up. Unless they happen to be owned by a handset or OS maker.



    This move by Apple (letting any sleazy ad agency have the info, but not if they are owned by a competitor in other markets) does nothing to protect private information.
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