Mozilla man blasts Apple's HTML showcase
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Like so many others among the browserati, Blizzard is fuming over Apple's new "HTML Showcase" site. The site purports to demonstrate Apple's love for web standards, but in the end, it does much the opposite.
"These web standards are open, reliable, highly secure, and efficient," the site says. "The demos below show how the latest version of Apple?s Safari web browser, new Macs, and new Apple mobile devices all support the capabilities of HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript." But then it gives the impression that Apple is the only browser maker backing such standards.
The site goes on to say that "not all browsers offer this support." Which is true. But today's Chrome, Firefox, and Opera do offer extensive support for the same standards, and Apple has barred these ? and all other non-Apple browsers ? from accessing the demos:
Like so many others among the browserati, Blizzard is fuming over Apple's new "HTML Showcase" site. The site purports to demonstrate Apple's love for web standards, but in the end, it does much the opposite.
"These web standards are open, reliable, highly secure, and efficient," the site says. "The demos below show how the latest version of Apple?s Safari web browser, new Macs, and new Apple mobile devices all support the capabilities of HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript." But then it gives the impression that Apple is the only browser maker backing such standards.
The site goes on to say that "not all browsers offer this support." Which is true. But today's Chrome, Firefox, and Opera do offer extensive support for the same standards, and Apple has barred these ? and all other non-Apple browsers ? from accessing the demos:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06...gle_and_html5/
Quite true, it refuses to run the demo's in Firefox and then asks to download Safari.
Firefox is kicking Safari's @ss, especially on Windows, Apple is resorting to pretty slimy tactics here because they are losing the browser wars.
Lets face it, if people like the minimal steel grey look, then they will use Safari. Else for choice of colors, themes, persona, plug-ins, customization etc. and faster elimination of vulnerabilities, they will chose Firefox.
Apple will never allow the choice of extensions that Firefox allows, no way.
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Why are you so upset? A majority of the threads you create put the focus on the negative aspects of computing or security. In these areas I like to think that consumer reaction and demand will play the most significant part determining the future success or failure of technology.
http://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.html
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Here is mine.
The entire premise of the HTML5 show case website is to show off Apple's love for open standards. However the website blocks all browsers that also implement this open standard from accessing it.
HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT FROM AN INTERNET EXPLORER SPECIFIC WEBSITE RUNNING AN ACTIVE X CONTROL OR SILVERLIGHT OR FLASH?
Apple is already getting negative feedback from the press for this. Here is an example.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06...gle_and_html5/
As a user and a fan of your products and as a developer, I request you to fix this asap. You can always put a notice on the page that says, "if you have issues with the demo, try running it on Safari".
A majority of the threads you create put the focus on the negative aspects of computing or security.
Because complacency kills and as a longtime Apple friend I think it's necessary to point out when they are making dumb moves.
Perhaps this was just a attempt to get people to download Safari, but it backfired when they excluded other HTML5 capable browsers from being able to run the demos. A major PR mistake if you ask me.
Provide feedback to Apple on their website.
http://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.html
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Here is mine.
The entire premise of the HTML5 show case website is to show off Apple's love for open standards. However the website blocks all browsers that also implement this open standard from accessing it.
HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT FROM AN INTERNET EXPLORER SPECIFIC WEBSITE RUNNING AN ACTIVE X CONTROL OR SILVERLIGHT OR FLASH?
Apple is already getting negative feedback from the press for this. Here is an example.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06...gle_and_html5/
As a user and a fan of your products and as a developer, I request you to fix this asap. You can always put a notice on the page that says, "if you have issues with the demo, try running it on Safari".
It is completely different. It isn't an open love website. It is specifically a Safari Showoff site. Just because a bunch of Freetards want to freeload on the effort Apple put in to show off their own new browser doesn't mean they are automatically entitled to. If FF want's to show their superiority, go ahead and write their own showoff advertising site and browser limit it to FF. No problem.
Part of the between the lines message in all of this is the fear of what will happen to Mozilla when Google pulls the angel funding out from under FF. When you complain you can't play with the competitions advertising you are being a bit desperate. Chrome runs on Webkit with some internal mods, not the Gecko engine. Another rev or two for Chrome and Google won't feel the need to fund both Chrome/Gmail and FF/Thunderbird; Mozilla will have a MAJOR crimp in it's style as the funding gets very tight.
It is completely different. It isn't an open love website. It is specifically a Safari Showoff site. Just because a bunch of Freetards want to freeload on the effort Apple put in to show off their own new browser doesn't mean they are automatically entitled to. If FF want's to show their superiority, go ahead and write their own showoff advertising site and browser limit it to FF. No problem.
Part of the between the lines message in all of this is the fear of what will happen to Mozilla when Google pulls the angel funding out from under FF. When you complain you can't play with the competitions advertising you are being a bit desperate. Chrome runs on Webkit with some internal mods, not the Gecko engine. Another rev or two for Chrome and Google won't feel the need to fund both Chrome/Gmail and FF/Thunderbird; Mozilla will have a MAJOR crimp in it's style as the funding gets very tight.
no it isn't. It's titled html5. This is why there is a bit of a backlash.
If it were billed as a look at how great safari is and some new cool stuff, then you'd be right.
Because complacency kills and as a longtime Apple friend I think it's necessary to point out when they are making dumb moves.
Perhaps this was just a attempt to get people to download Safari, but it backfired when they excluded other HTML5 capable browsers from being able to run the demos. A major PR mistake if you ask me.
no it isn't. It's titled html5. This is why there is a bit of a backlash.
If it were billed as a look at how great safari is and some new cool stuff, then you'd be right.
Give me a break. A page on Apple's own site that you navigate to via the Safari description subsection of the Mac tab from Apples home page. That's not Apples own Safari PR material?
With this quote leading to the demo's:
The demos below show how the latest version of Apple’s Safari web browser, new Macs, and new Apple mobile devices all support the capabilities of HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript.
How can even a moron in a hurry think the site is anything other than PR for Safari. it'g got nothing to do with everyone else? It's just good old fashioned hi-tech advertising copy.
Give me a break. A page on Apple's own site that you navigate to via the Safari description subsection of the Mac tab from Apples home page. That's not Apples own Safari PR material?
With this quote leading to the demo's:
How can even a moron in a hurry think the site is anything other than PR for Safari. it'g got nothing to do with everyone else? It's just good old fashioned hi-tech advertising copy.
because we've all listened to the screaming about open web standards, that's why. And the title is HTML5 Showcase.
it's no big deal, really, but an observation from my, and it seems quite a few dev's perspective. We all have our opinions. I won't say you're a moron if you disagree...
It can be perceived as a dumb move if you are short sighted. What better way to promote theoretical technology than with an actual working demonstration. Apple is pushing everyone else to step up their game. And everyone else will step up.
Uh, duh, other browsers can run HTML5 too.
That's the whole beef with Apple, that they are implying that all other browsers can't run HTML5 (when actually a lot can) and only Safari can.
What I suspect is Apple is trying to influence HTML5 somehow, like what Microsoft pulls, implementing THEIR version of HTML5, and thus doesn't want other browser makers to see what they are up too.
I swear to god, if Apple didn't make such a great OS, iTunes, anti-glare 15" MacBook Pro's and iPods, I would have left them years ago.
Uh, duh, other browsers can run HTML5 too.
That's the whole beef with Apple, that they are implying that all other browsers can't run HTML5 (when actually a lot can) and only Safari can.
Mozilla has its own marketing strategies too though like the 'let's see how many copies of Firefox you can download to break the world record for downloads'.
That campaign was purely to drive Firefox marketshare. Although the Apple one is about HTML 5, they recommend the most standards compliant browser, which is Safari.
Firefox aren't going along with H.264 so blocked, IE is a pile of garbage so even though IE 9 supports HTML 5 it should be blocked, Chrome is ok but once you block other user-agents, everyone is caught up in it.
The premise of Apple's marketing for the HTML5 showcase is open standards. It is not about Safari's features. IE9 HTML5 websites are open for all browsers to compare themselves with IE9 performance with HTML5. It should be the same with Apple. YMMV.
As to the premise, you have it wrong. The marketing is strictly for Apples Safari implementation on OS X and mobile devices. It's a "See Ma, No FLASH!!!" message showing that Apple appliance users aren't missing a thing (and anyone can rightly dispute that). Yes it uses HTML5 as the vehicle to do that. It isn't HTML5 for HTML5's sake, it's Safari can do the web without Flash because of HTML5. HTML5 as a standard gets good visibility from that page, Apple has no moral responsibility to tout other browsers at the same time. It's not presented as a conformance test or suite, it is explicitly presented as a Safari product demo.
When I see an ad that says my car runs best when using Mobile1 oil, I don't automatically think that other cars can't use it too. Or that Mobile1 oil is the only oil that will work in my car. It obliviously and unbelievable clear due to that little thing called common sense that there is just some bit of cross marketing between the two business interests. Why anyone thinks the same principles don't apply in the tech world, or Apple advertising, is mostly unfathomable.
I think there is a subset of folks that go looking for a reason to be offended and just choose that something they want to be offended by, even it it isn't offensive. Then to maintain and manufacture the offense they compare the target against of their own narrowly defined personal context and determine that anything not following that strict and opportunistically constructed set of set of constraints must have been made specifically to offend them, or their group du jour, ---personally. And to be able to do that with a straight face you need to have a really overactive ego, because it takes an ego to decide as something broad brush and general as an ad for a browser family must have been personally directed at denigrating them and their favored product.
FF wasn't mentioned in a Safari PR page on the Apple site. Big whoop!!! Apple didn't say FF didn't do HTML5, it just left other browsers out of the mix altogether, get over it already. Let the FF folks make a page touting FF and not mention Safari. I doubt Apple will cry about that.