iPhone 4 antenna fix could impact Apple's operating income by 1%

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  • Reply 61 of 106
    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,698member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vince_JT View Post


    Awfully certain of you. Work for Apple do you?



    As an aside, I'm willing to bet people who return this phone won't be because they "don't like" the phone. That's inaccurate and not explicit enough. It's because it has a SHITTY ANTENNA for natural left hand use.



    Fine, if they can't wait for a software fix then return the phone and stop winning. Leave the rest of us who love the phone alone.



    This is a non issue and will be resolved by a software update. There will be no recalls and no design change to the iPhone 4.



    Deal with it.



    Time will tell
  • Reply 62 of 106
    daveswdavesw Posts: 406member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post


    Fine, if they can't wait for a software fix then return the phone and stop winning. Leave the rest of us who love the phone alone.



    This is a non issue and will be resolved by a software update. There will be no recalls and no design change to the iPhone 4.



    Deal with it.



    Time will tell





    90% of the people bitching about this are jealous android trolls.
  • Reply 63 of 106
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    It's good to see old Gene pulling that 25% figure out his rectum. Typical Munster, he never disappoints in keeping up with his low standards.
  • Reply 64 of 106
    vince_jtvince_jt Posts: 25member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    How would you describe yourself? Based on your posts here....



    .



    How would YOU describe yourself? I mean elsewhere you were asking people to post cv's and credentials in order to validify there opinions on an Internet message board. And only for starters....



    I mean...words like "obnoxious", "rude", "snob", "lunatic" have all come to mind when a lot of your posts have come up. And you have this unhealthy obsession with defending EVERYTHING to do with this antenna deficiency, this very obvious and ever increasingly significant design defect that needs to be addressed by Apple pronto or face longer term ramifications. The right thing to do is recall...at the least... free bumper case
  • Reply 65 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post


    Posts quoting Gene Munster really belong on the Backpage Blog based on his track record.



    Same with articles quoting Shaw Wu and Katy Huberty.



    Best post ever.....
  • Reply 66 of 106
    shadashshadash Posts: 470member
    I wonder if Apple hadn't gone exclusively with AT&T in the first place if this would even be an issue. The antenna on the outside design seems to have been made to make up for AT&T's sub par network. If the iPhone had been put on a different, better network, would Apple have felt the necessity of engineering the antenna in this way?
  • Reply 67 of 106
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shadash View Post


    I wonder if Apple hadn't gone exclusively with AT&T in the first place if this would even be an issue. The antenna on the outside design seems to have been made to make up for AT&T's sub par network. If the iPhone had been put on a different, better network, would Apple have felt the necessity of engineering the antenna in this way?



    Thinness was also an issue, so they could say we have the thinnest phone. that said you are making a very good point, surely this must have been a consideration too.
  • Reply 68 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shadash View Post


    I wonder if Apple hadn't gone exclusively with AT&T in the first place if this would even be an issue. The antenna on the outside design seems to have been made to make up for AT&T's sub par network. If the iPhone had been put on a different, better network, would Apple have felt the necessity of engineering the antenna in this way?



    There is nothing wrong with the design per se or the reason for doing it. The problem comes in with the execution of the design. You have two different antennas being grounded by the human body. Apple could have alleviated this problem with a clear coating on the exposed metal. End of problem.
  • Reply 69 of 106
    vince_jtvince_jt Posts: 25member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post


    Fine, if they can't wait for a software fix then return the phone and stop winning. Leave the rest of us who love the phone alone.



    This is a non issue and will be resolved by a software update. There will be no recalls and no design change to the iPhone 4.



    Deal with it.



    Time will tell



    What the hell... "software fix"...



    "non issue"



    Enjoy sucking Steve Jobs off much?



    Seriously, there's a difference between "software fix" and "hardware fix". The antenna deficiency for left hand use will NOT be resolved by this. At best the software "fix" will make the signal drops significantly more pronounced when held in the left hand in a bad signal area. APPLE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HARDWARE. People stop blindly defending this. You're just sheep and deserve scorn.
  • Reply 70 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shadash View Post


    I wonder if Apple hadn't gone exclusively with AT&T in the first place if this would even be an issue. The antenna on the outside design seems to have been made to make up for AT&T's sub par network. If the iPhone had been put on a different, better network, would Apple have felt the necessity of engineering the antenna in this way?



    Absolutely right. If it hadn't been for Apple's loyalty to AT&T's limp dick network this would never have happened. AT&T is a blight on Apple's good name, but Apple asked for it by sticking with them. You reap what you sew.



    Yes, I spelled sow incorrectly so others could feel superior. Either that or I need to have my eye site checked.
  • Reply 71 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vince_JT View Post


    What the hell... "software fix"...



    "non issue"



    Enjoy sucking Steve Jobs off much?



    Seriously, there's a difference between "software fix" and "hardware fix". The antenna deficiency for left hand use will NOT be resolved by this. At best the software "fix" will make the signal drops significantly more pronounced when held in the left hand in a bad signal area. APPLE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HARDWARE. People stop blindly defending this. You're just sheep and deserve scorn.



    Spot on. You can easily spot the Steve Jobs pants dwellers from the the non-kool aid drinkers. The software issue was a bone thrown out to placate the unknowing masses until all of the lab reports started coming in. Now Apple is in deep doo-doo for lying and for having a faulty design.
  • Reply 72 of 106
    daveswdavesw Posts: 406member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davesw View Post


    There will be NO recall.





    If you don't like the phone, RETURN IT.




    end of discussion.
  • Reply 73 of 106
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    "Ultimately we believe this PR black eye takes away from near-term upside potential to our iPhone estimates, but it does not change the long-term trajectory of the iPhone," Munster wrote. "While the issue has gained significant traction in the press, the reality is we estimate this problem periodically affects 25% of iPhone 4 users given the fix is easy (a case for the iPhone), and 75% of customer choose to use a case anyway."



    Wu is stupid. The whole point here is those 25% don't like using cases. So to sort-of-fix-the-phone they have to use a case, which they don't like to do. That covers up the issue, but they don't even want to use a case. The idea is you actually fix the phone, by doing a slight-redesign to the antenna. Not cases.
  • Reply 74 of 106
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davesw View Post


    end of discussion.



    What discussion. The people who are defending Apple are doing more giving out. Are you saying Apple's investors are happy with that?
    Quote:

    "If you don't want to put up with this design flaw that affects users who don't like cases, give the phone back" ?



    That's not the best business acumen.
  • Reply 75 of 106
    Look it's not like other computer companies don't have problems. A lot of them take time to respond; same with Apple. People are so obsessed at Apple's faults. Why don't you take a look at these other companies and ask them to come out with some true iPhone killers instead of slamming Android onto 3rd rate hardware. Apple are not gods, but they know what there doing. Seriously what happened to the other computer companies? Oh yeah, Bill Gates happened, thanks for the clones.
  • Reply 76 of 106
    daveswdavesw Posts: 406member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    That's not the best business acumen.





    thats not for you to decide.
  • Reply 77 of 106
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Wu is stupid. The whole point here is those 25% don't like using cases. So to sort-of-fix-the-phone they have to use a case, which they don't like to do. That covers up the issue, but they don't even want to use a case. The idea is you actually fix the phone, by doing a slight-redesign to the antenna. Not cases.



    So there is legitimate data that says that 25% of iPhone users won't use a case - even if it solves a problem? Or even evidence that 25% of iPhone users have a problem at all?



    It's easy to make numbers up. Why don't you try to come up with some real ones?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vince_JT View Post


    Seriously, there's a difference between "software fix" and "hardware fix". The antenna deficiency for left hand use will NOT be resolved by this. At best the software "fix" will make the signal drops significantly more pronounced when held in the left hand in a bad signal area. APPLE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HARDWARE. People stop blindly defending this. You're just sheep and deserve scorn.



    Where is your electrical engineering degree from? After all, you're so certain of that that you must have an advanced degree in EE with an emphasis n antenna design.



    Oh, you don't have a degree? You're just another loud-mouthed, uneducated whiner, probably paid by Google?



    Figures.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    If your a shareholder, do you really want everyone returning their iPhone 4's? Is that good business to you?



    Obviously not. But that argument begs the question. How many iPhone users want to return their phones? Obviously the number is very small since there are no lines in front of the AT&T or Apple Store desks to return phones.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    What they have to do NOW is acknowledge that they have a problem and make clear will be addressed. What they have to do NOW is get ahead of the bad PR curve.



    They have acknowledged that there's a problem (several problems, in fact). They've offered work-arounds for some and have promised a fix for others.



    What do you want them to do? Sacrifice a goat?



    If the software fix doesn't solve the problem, then you can start your whining again. But for now, let Apple fix it like they've promised (I realize that I'm speaking hypothetically since you don't even own an iPhone but continue to whine about it. How much does Google pay you?).



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post


    Does it take FCC approval to provide an OS patch? Just asking.



    Yes. My understanding is that the software and hardware must both be approved.
  • Reply 78 of 106
    2 cents2 cents Posts: 307member
    This is 95% FUD. Those who are not early adopters will wait for all this to shake out before putting down money for the phone (I'm in that camp). Those experiencing problems they can't live with will return the phone and lick their wounds. Those experiencing problems they CAN live with will do so. (If they get a bumper or iTunes gift card for their trouble, so much the better.) Those not having problems will obviously keep the phone and be happy with it. This will hardly make a dent in apple's bottom line...or image. They will sell the returned phones, they will sell new phones. They will have a hard time meeting demand for months to come. And people will line up overnight for the next great thing apple releases.



    The real losers in this whole thing are the trolls. When this "earth-shattering" issue drops off the media radar, they will claim media conspiracy and nobody will respond to their posts. They will be lonely in their moms' basements, as ignore lists, full to the brim with screen names block their attempts for attention. Interesting new screen names will be at a premium. "I_Hate_Steve_Jobs" will be pretty hard to come by in the post-iphone-antenna-fiasco world. But don't worry trolls, the iPod Touch will be out soon and once some guy gets it to blow up in his hands on youtube, watch out! You are back in business.



    What this proves to me is that the whole media/blogosphere has become a pit of trolls that ramp up stuff and ride it until it collapses. Think about this: right now, BP is gushing tens of thousands barrels of crude into the ocean EVERY SINGLE DAY and you can hardly see it or read about it any more. Why, that horse was ridden to collapse. The iphone is the new great threat to society. If you're not interested, wait a few days and there will be something new.
  • Reply 79 of 106
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davesw View Post


    There will be NO recall.





    If you don't like the phone, RETURN IT.




    Posting in BIG STUPID type won't make your inane wishes come true any faster...
  • Reply 80 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scafe2 View Post


    Please please everyone stop talking about the bumper being the holy grail as the solution, have you seen the bumpers,. they look pants,..



    That's Apple's main problem....too much look, too little work.
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