Why do people even think CR is the end all be all? People just want to be told what to do by some authority. And "journalism". Most if it is desperate sensationalism to grab eye balls. Most are the info equivalent of a car salesman. It's mostly now tabloid. I'm not referring to AI right now. I'm referring to the media in general that loves to regurgitate and misrepresent facts because they have to spew something. I use my phone all the time and ignore the stupid bars but because of the lazy media I have total strangers grinning asking how the phone is with all it's problems. I just say no problems and they look confused.
Right - but to be fair the industry (journalism) just doesn't have the resources to hire people who really know what they are talking about in engineering. Science is even worse, just look at all the crap about the LHC destroying the universe etc being reported like any scientist actually thinks that. controversy sells, and the next thing you know the largest network in the usa is denying evolution.
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
Bob called out CR's lack of scientific testing. That's it. The CR test either certifies its testing labs or it becomes irrelevant and nothing but a relic most of us have been waiting for it to become for decades.
Yet, the idiot commenting on the irrelevancy of Egan's credentials did need to be called out on it.
Cellular device manufacturers and providers certainly have a STANDARD methodology and detailed protocols for testing equipment.
No one has yet performed a rigorous test following those industry standards.
Now, I realize that these protocols may be corporate secrets, but couldn't someone at least do some original reporting and try to settle this in a less anecdotal way.
Consumer Reports is respected (and I am a subscriber) - but the duct tape "suggestion" seems to deliberately mocking in tone. It does call in to question their entire test, because of the deliberately sensationalist tone of their "suggestion."
A less mocking suggestion would have been to put it in an aftermarket case.
I'm amazed that that some people took the CR "testing" seriously. I saw their video clip I didn't think it was funner or professional to suggest a duct tape. I have never consulted CR before buying anything in my life and I'm 56 years old. By the way, I think any test that compares the iPhone 4 with any other smartphone is basically flawed because only the iPhone has the antenna on the outside! That is ingenious! And it is not like the gap is invisible. If covering the gap with a cellophane tape will do the trick, why not just cover it up? I have covered mine. I love my iPhone and none of my friends and family members have any of the troubles some people are screaming about. Amazing!!
Consumer Reports is respected (and I am a subscriber) - but the duct tape "suggestion" seems to deliberately mocking in tone. It does call in to question their entire test, because of the deliberately sensationalist tone of their "suggestion."
That's a whole load of crap. The point here's is to proof the issue can be fixed by covering the spot with something. Thus showing that Apple can think of something at the hardware level to do the same. And I don't mean a Bumper. Using Duct Tape to show no issue occurs shows it's a problem which needs addressing.
An engineer experienced with electromagnetic issues like those now affecting Apple's iPhone 4 says that the tests performed by Consumer Reports were scientifically flawed.
Surprised?
And will CR retract their story when the software update comes out?
I'm amazed that that some people took the CR "testing" seriously. I saw their video clip I didn't think it was funner or professional to suggest a duct tape. I have never consulted CR before buying anything in my life and I'm 56 years old. By the way, I think any test that compares the iPhone 4 with any other smartphone is basically flawed because only the iPhone has the antenna on the outside! That is ingenious! And it is not like the gap is invisible. If covering the gap with a cellophane tape will do the trick, why not just cover it up? I have covered mine. I love my iPhone and none of my friends and family members have any of the troubles some people are screaming about. Amazing!!
I'm sure you mean: biased. Or is that why you lolled?
Yes, I was be sarcastic. There's nothing Daniel wouldn't do to try and minimalize this issue. Even if CR's tests weren't 100% scientifically accurate they had their own phones at home drop out on them repeatedly and these tests no doubt fairly accurately represent why. Dilger just want's to cloud the issue.
So how does this scientist suggest testing the effect of a person holding a phone if the person is required to stay outside the anechoic chamber?
That's actually a very good question. You use a phantom, i.e., a dummy with the same dielectric properties as human flesh that can be precisely and repeatedly repositioned within the test chamber.
However, the FCC is primarily interested in SAR measurements. The IEEE 1528 standard in current use only specifies the dimensions of a head phantom and properties of the fluid used to fill it, and specifically does not require the use of hand phantom in order to obtain the most conservative (i.e., worst-case) measurements for head exposure. The standard also makes no mention of the surface conductivity characteristics of the phantom, which is also of interest here.
Starting out with sausages (as was half(?)-jokingly mentioned earlier) for phantom fingers is actually not that bad of an idea, though using pig skin instead of intestines to wrap the sausage would probably be more accurate.
It's actually disgraceful reporting on the part of AI. They are throwing their own reputation under the bus to protect Apple's.
The same could easily be said for CR. They presented the findings on their blog like they conducted a scientific test. It is clear to most people with even a little bit of knowledge that their testing was in no way scientific.
Egan notes that it is not known "what part of this problem is Apple?s and what part is related to the AT&T network. And we don?t know how the observed effect is, or is not, similar to other devices.
Why does he think / suggest that this is only connected to the AT&T Network,..over in the Uk I am on the O2 network and have the same issues,.... Time for a re- think Mr Egan one thinks
It's actually disgraceful reporting on the part of AI. They are throwing their own reputation under the bus to protect Apple's.
For some reason you and others think this site has something to do with journalism. I like AI, but I would never consider it a balanced/unbiased source for news about Apple (look at the name for pete's sake). It's a blog with guest blogger articles and a forum. Get your news somewhere else.
I've tested the hell out of my iPhone 4 and it's still the best phone I've ever used.
I agree completely. My iPhone 4 has outperformed any hopes I had when I bought it. I'm not saying it's perfect. Sure, there are things I'd love to see changed/altered/etc... but then again, nothing is perfect, especially since what's perfect for me might not be perfect for you... but I'm thrilled with my iPhone 4. It is, by far, the best phone I've ever owned or even used. I love it.
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Why do people even think CR is the end all be all? People just want to be told what to do by some authority. And "journalism". Most if it is desperate sensationalism to grab eye balls. Most are the info equivalent of a car salesman. It's mostly now tabloid. I'm not referring to AI right now. I'm referring to the media in general that loves to regurgitate and misrepresent facts because they have to spew something. I use my phone all the time and ignore the stupid bars but because of the lazy media I have total strangers grinning asking how the phone is with all it's problems. I just say no problems and they look confused.
Right - but to be fair the industry (journalism) just doesn't have the resources to hire people who really know what they are talking about in engineering. Science is even worse, just look at all the crap about the LHC destroying the universe etc being reported like any scientist actually thinks that. controversy sells, and the next thing you know the largest network in the usa is denying evolution.
... I [returned] my iPad because of a Safari SW bug. ...
I still say that's a "feature", or in IBM-speak, working as designed.
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
Bob called out CR's lack of scientific testing. That's it. The CR test either certifies its testing labs or it becomes irrelevant and nothing but a relic most of us have been waiting for it to become for decades.
Yet, the idiot commenting on the irrelevancy of Egan's credentials did need to be called out on it.
I've tested the hell out of my iPhone 4 and it's still the best phone I've ever used.
Gotta agree here... Hands down the best. I'm not saying the issue doesn't exist - it just doesn't exist on mine or my wife's.
No one has yet performed a rigorous test following those industry standards.
Now, I realize that these protocols may be corporate secrets, but couldn't someone at least do some original reporting and try to settle this in a less anecdotal way.
Consumer Reports is respected (and I am a subscriber) - but the duct tape "suggestion" seems to deliberately mocking in tone. It does call in to question their entire test, because of the deliberately sensationalist tone of their "suggestion."
A less mocking suggestion would have been to put it in an aftermarket case.
Yet, the idiot commenting on the irrelevancy of Egan's credentials did need to be called out on it.
Credentials only matter when the story agrees with their stance - you know that.
speaking of, can you guess who Appleinsider1 is?
Consumer Reports is respected (and I am a subscriber) - but the duct tape "suggestion" seems to deliberately mocking in tone. It does call in to question their entire test, because of the deliberately sensationalist tone of their "suggestion."
That's a whole load of crap. The point here's is to proof the issue can be fixed by covering the spot with something. Thus showing that Apple can think of something at the hardware level to do the same. And I don't mean a Bumper. Using Duct Tape to show no issue occurs shows it's a problem which needs addressing.
An engineer experienced with electromagnetic issues like those now affecting Apple's iPhone 4 says that the tests performed by Consumer Reports were scientifically flawed.
Surprised?
And will CR retract their story when the software update comes out?
I'm amazed that that some people took the CR "testing" seriously. I saw their video clip I didn't think it was funner or professional to suggest a duct tape. I have never consulted CR before buying anything in my life and I'm 56 years old. By the way, I think any test that compares the iPhone 4 with any other smartphone is basically flawed because only the iPhone has the antenna on the outside! That is ingenious! And it is not like the gap is invisible. If covering the gap with a cellophane tape will do the trick, why not just cover it up? I have covered mine. I love my iPhone and none of my friends and family members have any of the troubles some people are screaming about. Amazing!!
Shareholder... admit it!!!!
I'm sure you mean: biased. Or is that why you lolled?
Yes, I was be sarcastic. There's nothing Daniel wouldn't do to try and minimalize this issue. Even if CR's tests weren't 100% scientifically accurate they had their own phones at home drop out on them repeatedly and these tests no doubt fairly accurately represent why. Dilger just want's to cloud the issue.
So how does this scientist suggest testing the effect of a person holding a phone if the person is required to stay outside the anechoic chamber?
That's actually a very good question. You use a phantom, i.e., a dummy with the same dielectric properties as human flesh that can be precisely and repeatedly repositioned within the test chamber.
However, the FCC is primarily interested in SAR measurements. The IEEE 1528 standard in current use only specifies the dimensions of a head phantom and properties of the fluid used to fill it, and specifically does not require the use of hand phantom in order to obtain the most conservative (i.e., worst-case) measurements for head exposure. The standard also makes no mention of the surface conductivity characteristics of the phantom, which is also of interest here.
Starting out with sausages (as was half(?)-jokingly mentioned earlier) for phantom fingers is actually not that bad of an idea, though using pig skin instead of intestines to wrap the sausage would probably be more accurate.
Surprised?
And will CR retract their story when the software update comes out?
No... all will be forgotten. And the focus will then shift to megapixels or the screen size.
It's actually disgraceful reporting on the part of AI. They are throwing their own reputation under the bus to protect Apple's.
The same could easily be said for CR. They presented the findings on their blog like they conducted a scientific test. It is clear to most people with even a little bit of knowledge that their testing was in no way scientific.
That's actually a very good question. You use a phantom, i.e., a dummy with the same dielectric properties as human flesh ...
There are a few of those around here.
Why does he think / suggest that this is only connected to the AT&T Network,..over in the Uk I am on the O2 network and have the same issues,.... Time for a re- think Mr Egan one thinks
It's actually disgraceful reporting on the part of AI. They are throwing their own reputation under the bus to protect Apple's.
For some reason you and others think this site has something to do with journalism. I like AI, but I would never consider it a balanced/unbiased source for news about Apple (look at the name for pete's sake). It's a blog with guest blogger articles and a forum. Get your news somewhere else.
Surprised?
And will CR retract their story when the software update comes out?
No... Because it won't actually 'fix' the (proven) issue.
I've tested the hell out of my iPhone 4 and it's still the best phone I've ever used.
I agree completely. My iPhone 4 has outperformed any hopes I had when I bought it. I'm not saying it's perfect. Sure, there are things I'd love to see changed/altered/etc... but then again, nothing is perfect, especially since what's perfect for me might not be perfect for you... but I'm thrilled with my iPhone 4. It is, by far, the best phone I've ever owned or even used. I love it.