Is it at all possible that they buy them because they like them. If the same people were to all go out and buy electric solar cars would they be as hated?
Yea but stimuli dislikes them because they are "weak-minded masses". If they are weak-minded in a socially acceptable way we stimuli should dislike them just as much. Right?
Well, if the weak-minded masses could have their impressionable qualities harnessed for some sort of good, my attitude would be different. But unfortunately, it is those looking to make a quick buck who harness them, and little good seems to come of it.
If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
<strong>If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Got a slightly different take on it: if electric cars were practical, that would be a good thing. Try taking a family of four on a road trip in one of the current gas/electric hybrids...
Not that I'm a fan of SUVs or combustion engines. I'd love to see something replacing them. But I think that whatever does has to offer comparable functionality to what we have now, otherwise it'll be an uphill battle to get people to switch.
Try taking a family of four on a road trip in one of the currentgas/electric hybrids...
You're right unfortunately. Current EV and hybrids do suck (hybrids suck less though) but fuel cells will help out A LOT since you can have 10-15 gallon tanks of a fuel for a FC and that would give you better mileage than a 10-15 gallon tank full of gasoline with an IC engine. Actually an exponential increase (at least 10 times).
The Escalade is practically the same beast as the Tahoe/Yukon. Just some sheet metal and plastic to differentiate it. I don't think it would do that bad off road if you gussy it up with the same aftermarket parts Tahoe and Yukon owners buy.
<strong>Well, if the weak-minded masses could have their impressionable qualities harnessed for some sort of good, my attitude would be different. But unfortunately, it is those looking to make a quick buck who harness them, and little good seems to come of it.
If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What? Backpedaling of the worst kind here. You don't think that EV cars are looking to make a quick buck? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> What I hear you saying here is, "Since I don't like SUV's they are a bad thing and anyone who who would make money on them are corperate bastards of the worst kind. But since I like EV cars and they are eco friendly you can make all the money you like on them and you are a resposible corperation. Even if the market does not buy them yet and it means that you risk your company for the sake of what I like." Does that capture the essence or am I missing something here? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>The Escalade is practically the same beast as the Tahoe/Yukon. Just some sheet metal and plastic to differentiate it. I don't think it would do that bad off road if you gussy it up with the same aftermarket parts Tahoe and Yukon owners buy.
From a Death Valley Torture test I read in a past issue of Motor Trend it sounds like some of the biggest problmes with it is its Stabilitrak system and some of the other 'fancy' electronic googaws. I don't think they have the actual article online. But I found some pictures!
You should not have to push a $50,000+ "SUV" (and people complain because the iMac doesn't get the highest frame rates!).
On the other hand, if you want to go offroad you can do pretty well without the breakable electronic googaws...
Decided to get a Subaru Outback Wagon and haven't looked back!
Weve gone through 2 subarus (each used) in the last 15 years. Great little cars, especially when you get the ones with 4wd and the like. The thing is that you almost NEVER use 4wd. Now Im not just talking in the city, we lived up a 70 degree dirt road and were frequenly driving along potholled dirt roads and dirt paths, and front wheel drive served us just as well as 4wd.
Also, I dont remember the exact report but...
They did some 5mph crash tests on various cars and SUVs. The Ford Explrer (I beleive that was it) when involved in the 5mph crash test suffered ~$1500 of dammage. A 5mph crash test...
On the other hand, according to the report, the Volkswagon bug... bounced...
I dislike SUV's when and where they're simply gratuitous (which, let's face it, is most of the time). They're big, unsafe, conspicuously consuming obstructions. They're also terrifying when you're in a Miata (especially when the SUV driver is aggressive, which they often are).
When they're actually used I don't mind them. There would be a lot fewer of them on the road in that case.
Before anyone asks, my car gets 30 city/40 highway and I take the bus to work, so I can bitch about the piss-poor mileage of SUVs.
I don't consider Outbacks to be SUVs. They're cool.
We got it because it used to snow a lot in Connecticut and my Dad had slid off the road in his Oldsmobile into a tree one time and Consumer Reports (my family's bible for purchases) rated the Explorer pretty high and said it would do a lot better in the snow than other cars. So we got it, and we like it. Later we got a minivan. I hate that thing.
Just a whole lot of fun, really. I dislike SUVs mainly because they are excessive. Most people don't need a 4000 lb vehicle to haul their 150 lb ass around.
Although if you had to do a cross country run with 7 friends, there would be nothing like a Suburban. IMHO it's one of the few SUVs that remain true to it's purpose. It doesn't "drive like a car" or have ultra luxurious options... it just carries a lot of people in comfort, can tow a boat, and has really good clearance.
The BMW, Merc, Lexus, and sooon.... PORSCHE SUV's miss the point entirely. At least Audi seems to be staying true to its roots.
[quote]Is it at all possible that they buy them because they like them.<hr></blockquote>
Is it at all possible that they like them because they have been mass-marketed into liking them? Or does Britany Spears produce quality, original music?
[quote]What? Backpedaling of the worst kind here. You don't think that EV cars are looking to make a quick buck? What I hear you saying here is, "Since I don't like SUV's they are a bad thing and anyone who who would make money on them are corperate bastards of the worst kind. But since I like EV cars and they are eco friendly you can make all the money you like on them and you are a resposible corperation. Even if the market does not buy them yet and it means that you risk your company for the sake of what I like." Does that capture the essence or am I missing something here?
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( )you are missing something here.
[quote] Well, if the weak-minded masses could have their impressionable qualities harnessed for some sort of good, my attitude would be different. But unfortunately, it is those looking to make a quick buck who harness them, and little good seems to come of it.
If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
<hr></blockquote>It is possible to be ethical and make $ at it.
I don't drive but if I did and decided to get an SUV there is only one I would consider buying: A Land Rover. These seem like the real deal to me. I saw a video of one with some kind of multiple suspension dealy where if you're driving over a huge rock or something, one your wheels can sort of automatically 'dislocate' to help the car get over the rock.
This is definitely not a YuppieMobile?. Well it is in the sense that every dentist and lawyer has one, but it CAN offroad and handle snow if you need it too. Plus they're pretty slick looking.
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If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
<strong>If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Got a slightly different take on it: if electric cars were practical, that would be a good thing. Try taking a family of four on a road trip in one of the current gas/electric hybrids...
Not that I'm a fan of SUVs or combustion engines. I'd love to see something replacing them. But I think that whatever does has to offer comparable functionality to what we have now, otherwise it'll be an uphill battle to get people to switch.
You're right unfortunately. Current EV and hybrids do suck (hybrids suck less though) but fuel cells will help out A LOT since you can have 10-15 gallon tanks of a fuel for a FC and that would give you better mileage than a 10-15 gallon tank full of gasoline with an IC engine. Actually an exponential increase (at least 10 times).
[ 02-21-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
<strong>Well, if the weak-minded masses could have their impressionable qualities harnessed for some sort of good, my attitude would be different. But unfortunately, it is those looking to make a quick buck who harness them, and little good seems to come of it.
If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What? Backpedaling of the worst kind here. You don't think that EV cars are looking to make a quick buck? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> What I hear you saying here is, "Since I don't like SUV's they are a bad thing and anyone who who would make money on them are corperate bastards of the worst kind. But since I like EV cars and they are eco friendly you can make all the money you like on them and you are a resposible corperation. Even if the market does not buy them yet and it means that you risk your company for the sake of what I like." Does that capture the essence or am I missing something here? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>The Escalade is practically the same beast as the Tahoe/Yukon. Just some sheet metal and plastic to differentiate it. I don't think it would do that bad off road if you gussy it up with the same aftermarket parts Tahoe and Yukon owners buy.
[ 02-21-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
From a Death Valley Torture test I read in a past issue of Motor Trend it sounds like some of the biggest problmes with it is its Stabilitrak system and some of the other 'fancy' electronic googaws. I don't think they have the actual article online. But I found some pictures!
You should not have to push a $50,000+ "SUV" (and people complain because the iMac doesn't get the highest frame rates!).
On the other hand, if you want to go offroad you can do pretty well without the breakable electronic googaws...
Oh, hey...found the original article:
<a href="http://www.motortrend.com/sept01/hell/hell_f.html" target="_blank">http://www.motortrend.com/sept01/hell/hell_f.html</a>
Of all the SUV's, the Cadillac was the only one to get stuck. They love how 'nice and comfy' it is though. Has a big motor.
Weve gone through 2 subarus (each used) in the last 15 years. Great little cars, especially when you get the ones with 4wd and the like. The thing is that you almost NEVER use 4wd. Now Im not just talking in the city, we lived up a 70 degree dirt road and were frequenly driving along potholled dirt roads and dirt paths, and front wheel drive served us just as well as 4wd.
Also, I dont remember the exact report but...
They did some 5mph crash tests on various cars and SUVs. The Ford Explrer (I beleive that was it) when involved in the 5mph crash test suffered ~$1500 of dammage. A 5mph crash test...
On the other hand, according to the report, the Volkswagon bug... bounced...
My gal is considering getting one of <a href="http://subarubaja.com/index.html" target="_blank">these</a> when they come out.
If it's half as reliable as my best friend's Brat when I was in high school it would be a great, fun, reliable and efficient little 'car'.
When they're actually used I don't mind them. There would be a lot fewer of them on the road in that case.
Before anyone asks, my car gets 30 city/40 highway and I take the bus to work, so I can bitch about the piss-poor mileage of SUVs.
I don't consider Outbacks to be SUVs. They're cool.
My favorite animated gif of the day today. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
We got it because it used to snow a lot in Connecticut and my Dad had slid off the road in his Oldsmobile into a tree one time and Consumer Reports (my family's bible for purchases) rated the Explorer pretty high and said it would do a lot better in the snow than other cars. So we got it, and we like it. Later we got a minivan. I hate that thing.
Offroad, onroad.. it don't matta.
Just a whole lot of fun, really. I dislike SUVs mainly because they are excessive. Most people don't need a 4000 lb vehicle to haul their 150 lb ass around.
Although if you had to do a cross country run with 7 friends, there would be nothing like a Suburban. IMHO it's one of the few SUVs that remain true to it's purpose. It doesn't "drive like a car" or have ultra luxurious options... it just carries a lot of people in comfort, can tow a boat, and has really good clearance.
The BMW, Merc, Lexus, and sooon.... PORSCHE SUV's miss the point entirely. At least Audi seems to be staying true to its roots.
As for Subaru, bring back the BRAT!
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[quote]Is it at all possible that they buy them because they like them.<hr></blockquote>
Is it at all possible that they like them because they have been mass-marketed into liking them? Or does Britany Spears produce quality, original music?
[quote]What? Backpedaling of the worst kind here. You don't think that EV cars are looking to make a quick buck? What I hear you saying here is, "Since I don't like SUV's they are a bad thing and anyone who who would make money on them are corperate bastards of the worst kind. But since I like EV cars and they are eco friendly you can make all the money you like on them and you are a resposible corperation. Even if the market does not buy them yet and it means that you risk your company for the sake of what I like." Does that capture the essence or am I missing something here?
<hr></blockquote>
( )you are missing something here.
[quote] Well, if the weak-minded masses could have their impressionable qualities harnessed for some sort of good, my attitude would be different. But unfortunately, it is those looking to make a quick buck who harness them, and little good seems to come of it.
If electric cars were trendy, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
<hr></blockquote>It is possible to be ethical and make $ at it.
But enough semantics...
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This is definitely not a YuppieMobile?. Well it is in the sense that every dentist and lawyer has one, but it CAN offroad and handle snow if you need it too. Plus they're pretty slick looking.
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