Why should we believe you? You obviously lied when you agreed to the NDA or else you somehow obtained the software in an unapproved manner, so that invalidates your remark in my opinion.
That's a bit rough, the NDA does not restrict this discussion, just new features and API. Could be debated. My main point would be that this does not dis-qualify his observation.
Yeah, I have the problem too. When holding the phone up to my head, I get:
-- Calls put on Hold
-- Call trying to switch to FaceTime
-- Calls ending suddenly
-- Phone dials another contact while I'm on the line with a person already
I wonder of any of those experiencing this problem has actually tested it a different way:
1. Make your call.
2. Put it on speaker phone.
3. Lay the phone flat on a table.
4. Put your finger over the sensor to cut out the screen.
5. Watch and see if the screen cuts in and out.
At least this way you could actually see what was going on. I don't have the issue myself, but I tried this and didn't see anything but a blank screen.
Really??? That's weird. I thought that the proximity sensor issue was pretty much a universal problem. Honestly, I thought this was a software based problem that would pretty much affect all phones rather than a hardware issue. I wonder if maybe I should take in my wife's to see about getting it swapped out? She definitely has problems with the proximity sensor.
Really? Based on what? A few whiner posters on this forum? I, for one don't have the PS problem.
Based on what the guy said maybe you should swap it out. It couldn't hurt.
Why don't we all wait untill tomorrow and see what they say, we spent alot of money, I'm sure Apple will do the right thing
That's the thing, some of us are "less sure" of Apple than we used to based upon their inept and somewhat insulting responses to the antenna isssue thus far. Tomorrow, if Apple tries to sell today's patch as the resolution to the antenna/dropped calls issue, it would be a major mistake. I hope that doesn't happen.
I am not in breach of the NDA. I am commenting on the performance of the phone after the latest update available to developers. I use my developer phone as a normal phone in addition to development activities. In no way did I discuss new apps or features that the update provides. Those are proprietary until Apple releases it publicly.
Actually, Apple's NDA says that you can't discuss the update AT ALL in public. Talking about the performance of the update is a clear violation.
I'd suggest that you read things before signing them.
I would agree with this. In my house I was getting full bars when on 3G. Now I know that on all of my other phones I get a marginal 3G signal at best with 2 bars being the norm. Now the iPhone 4 is showing the same as my other phones (nokia, LG and samsung) when used with the same sim from O2-UK.
I have a 3G iPhone, so, obviously this update adds nothing for me. The 3G phones are horrible with iOS 4, and it doesn't look like 4.0.1 fixes all the problems 3G phones are having.
OK...I have 4.0.1 on now. From the exact same location in my home, my bars went from 5 to 3.
It is clear to me why this fix was sent by Apple. Apple is attempting to throw AT&T under the bus. Most (dumb) users will now think that their terrible reception is AT&T's fault and not Apple's poor antenna design.
I have other phones in my house, Samsung and Moto, and they still display 5 bars for AT&T.
Sad.
Uh, except that Apple is now following AT&T's own algorithm for display signal strength according to what was original stated about the now-released update.
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Are you serious? You are now criticizing Android for using a "skewed" dB rating that was less "skewed" than Apple's own rating yesterday.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Here is how it looks now. Note in the last pic how Android uses the same dB rating for CDMA and GSM and how skewed it is. Going to 89 dB for 5 bars. The iPhone can be in 3 bars now while Android shows 5 bars, but who cares if other handsets are ?inaccurate? so long as it?s all Apple?s fault¡
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Maybe you can jailbreak sometime and change them back to the old bars. It sucks when you're forced to change your phone.
I wish they could simply add an option in the universal access controls to make the bars bigger for people who can't see as well. I liked the older style slope better. This new slope looks fat and curves a bit. It lost it's "exactness" look to it.
Are you serious? You are now criticizing Android for using a "skewed" dB rating that was less "skewed" than Apple's own rating yesterday.
Way to read into things!
I'm saying the whole bar representation method is "skewed". Until regulatory boards ? as I've mentioned elsewhere ? mandate what bars can represent then it's all skewed but it can't be neither inaccurate nor accurate so long as a longer bar indicates a higher dB than a short bar and shorter bar indicates less dB than a longer bar.
I'm also saying that beause of the lack of oversight this isn't something specific to Apple or the iPhone, they are just the only one being blamed for it. What argument do you have that Android's measurements are "accurate" (think hard before you answer)?
Personally, I want it to state the current dB or list the best connection available. For instance:
No Service
Voice -or- Voice Only
GPRS -or- 2G Slow
EDGE -or- 2G Fast
HS*PA -or- 3G (with other options depending on the 3G tower speed)
LTE -or- 4G
But if people want something mostly uninformative and undefined, than something descriptive, then who am I to argue.
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Hmm.. Well xannottoohappy, when you use your iPhone, how much off the time do you actually spend looking at the signal bars?
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Why should we believe you? You obviously lied when you agreed to the NDA or else you somehow obtained the software in an unapproved manner, so that invalidates your remark in my opinion.
That's a bit rough, the NDA does not restrict this discussion, just new features and API. Could be debated. My main point would be that this does not dis-qualify his observation.
Yeah, I have the problem too. When holding the phone up to my head, I get:
-- Calls put on Hold
-- Call trying to switch to FaceTime
-- Calls ending suddenly
-- Phone dials another contact while I'm on the line with a person already
I wonder of any of those experiencing this problem has actually tested it a different way:
1. Make your call.
2. Put it on speaker phone.
3. Lay the phone flat on a table.
4. Put your finger over the sensor to cut out the screen.
5. Watch and see if the screen cuts in and out.
At least this way you could actually see what was going on. I don't have the issue myself, but I tried this and didn't see anything but a blank screen.
Steve will demonstrate tomorrow on stage that 4.01 fixes the "problem".
If he presents this as a solution to the antenna issue, no more problems, and I really hope he doesn't, Apple is trash to me.
Really??? That's weird. I thought that the proximity sensor issue was pretty much a universal problem. Honestly, I thought this was a software based problem that would pretty much affect all phones rather than a hardware issue. I wonder if maybe I should take in my wife's to see about getting it swapped out? She definitely has problems with the proximity sensor.
Really? Based on what? A few whiner posters on this forum? I, for one don't have the PS problem.
Based on what the guy said maybe you should swap it out. It couldn't hurt.
Why don't we all wait untill tomorrow and see what they say, we spent alot of money, I'm sure Apple will do the right thing
That's the thing, some of us are "less sure" of Apple than we used to based upon their inept and somewhat insulting responses to the antenna isssue thus far. Tomorrow, if Apple tries to sell today's patch as the resolution to the antenna/dropped calls issue, it would be a major mistake. I hope that doesn't happen.
I am not in breach of the NDA. I am commenting on the performance of the phone after the latest update available to developers. I use my developer phone as a normal phone in addition to development activities. In no way did I discuss new apps or features that the update provides. Those are proprietary until Apple releases it publicly.
Actually, Apple's NDA says that you can't discuss the update AT ALL in public. Talking about the performance of the update is a clear violation.
I'd suggest that you read things before signing them.
No bars is the fix. It's your signal stupid! lol.
I would agree with this. In my house I was getting full bars when on 3G. Now I know that on all of my other phones I get a marginal 3G signal at best with 2 bars being the norm. Now the iPhone 4 is showing the same as my other phones (nokia, LG and samsung) when used with the same sim from O2-UK.
OK...I have 4.0.1 on now. From the exact same location in my home, my bars went from 5 to 3.
It is clear to me why this fix was sent by Apple. Apple is attempting to throw AT&T under the bus. Most (dumb) users will now think that their terrible reception is AT&T's fault and not Apple's poor antenna design.
I have other phones in my house, Samsung and Moto, and they still display 5 bars for AT&T.
Sad.
Uh, except that Apple is now following AT&T's own algorithm for display signal strength according to what was original stated about the now-released update.
If he presents this as a solution to the antenna issue, no more problems, and I really hope he doesn't, Apple is trash to me.
And so you are here only to trash?
No bars is the fix. It's your signal stupid! lol.
i have noticed the proximity sensor has improved significantly on iOS 4.1 beta.
I can attest to that also. It's the first thing I checked. . . I'm not backleveling to 4.01 though.
Here is how it looks now.
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Here is how it looks now. Note in the last pic how Android uses the same dB rating for CDMA and GSM and how skewed it is. Going to 89 dB for 5 bars. The iPhone can be in 3 bars now while Android shows 5 bars, but who cares if other handsets are ?inaccurate? so long as it?s all Apple?s fault¡
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Maybe you can jailbreak sometime and change them back to the old bars. It sucks when you're forced to change your phone.
I wish they could simply add an option in the universal access controls to make the bars bigger for people who can't see as well. I liked the older style slope better. This new slope looks fat and curves a bit. It lost it's "exactness" look to it.
Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better.
Really? I think the new bars are much easier to read and see.
Are you serious? You are now criticizing Android for using a "skewed" dB rating that was less "skewed" than Apple's own rating yesterday.
Way to read into things!
I'm saying the whole bar representation method is "skewed". Until regulatory boards ? as I've mentioned elsewhere ? mandate what bars can represent then it's all skewed but it can't be neither inaccurate nor accurate so long as a longer bar indicates a higher dB than a short bar and shorter bar indicates less dB than a longer bar.
I'm also saying that beause of the lack of oversight this isn't something specific to Apple or the iPhone, they are just the only one being blamed for it. What argument do you have that Android's measurements are "accurate" (think hard before you answer)?
Personally, I want it to state the current dB or list the best connection available. For instance:
- No Service
- Voice -or- Voice Only
- GPRS -or- 2G Slow
- EDGE -or- 2G Fast
- HS*PA -or- 3G (with other options depending on the 3G tower speed)
- LTE -or- 4G
But if people want something mostly uninformative and undefined, than something descriptive, then who am I to argue.Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.
I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
Hmm.. Well xannottoohappy, when you use your iPhone, how much off the time do you actually spend looking at the signal bars?
And so you are here only to trash?
You have a problem with the English language?
Are you here only to attack criticisms?
I think you know the answer to all those questions. Quit playing dumb. Please.