There are some doubts about this whole 'bait and switch' issue including the whole "Apple knew they were going to do it and went ahead with the announcement of the unlimited one" stuff. And the issue of whether the TC says the prices can be changed at any point. But really that's neither here nor there since there are lawsuits etc that are covering it.
if he wanted to help his peoples, how about moving to have the laws that allow the tying of cell phones to one carrier dropped. How about investigating the whole test messaging price issue. How about the not so little detail that I"m allegedly paying 1/24th of that $400 back every month and yet I don't get credit for the full amount and I"m still paying that amount after my contract is up (but i'm using the same phone) or if I bring my own phone to the service.
Is the law or anyone else forcing Apple to stay exclusive with AT&T despite all the problems with that carrier? Or is Apple choosing to do so on their own? If so, shouldn't Apple share the blame for iPhone issues caused by Apple choosing a lousy carrier?
THINK for yourself instead of puking up what you hear on the 5 o'clock news every night. Add some common fucking sense into your diet.
You are a dick.
Besides what was wrong with my statement?
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?
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Shumer is doing his JOB. Party affiliation aside. Too difficult for everyone?
Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?
Wow, there is some serious anger going on in this thread. It is just a phone.
Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.
The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.
Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.
The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.
This isn't a D or R thing, it's a C(ongress) thing. D's have their limits about the proper scope of government too.
But since it came the day AFTER Apple announced the press conference on Friday, it just looks like what it is, Politics
Later on, after this has all been taken care of, Apple does a hardware mod, software or whatever, Schumer will be jumping up and down trying to take all the credit, hoping no one will notice the order of events
This is precisely what is wrong with this country. No, not the government. People who think like you do.
Oh, I can't wait to read the explanation on that comment. Clearly the government getting even more involved in the last, oh..say, 18 months has done wonders for our economy.
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?
You're right, I am most certainly a dick. Today, especially. but, let's focus on the crux of the issue, which is the fact that you, and hoards like you render yourselves useless and unable ( through you're own woeful ignorance ) to discern the difference between transparency , nationalization, checks and balances, socialism, the ebb and flow of power through the allocation of resources etc. Why do you think the market collapsed, again? Right. So now with the current administration, we have a shift that favors the left.
Take yourself a trip to Venezuela and have a chat with hugo chavez about the nationalization of private companies.
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Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?
What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Politicians insert themselves into all affairs whether they are needed or not, and it is clearly not needed here. In case anyone is fuzzy about what the sworn duty of a Senator is...
Likely, you're one of those who criticizes Congress for not doing their jobs. Well, one of their jobs is to represent the people and work in their interest, so that's what Mr. Schumer is doing here. And then you criticize him for doing it. How about you STFU?
Incorrect. Their job is to support and defend the Constitution. All else is proof of corruption of the office.
What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.
There should be Something more important foe the man to work on. Consumers have a choice. Don't buy the iPhone 4 or return it. Simple. Easy, peasy.
My tax dollars have much more important issues that need to addressed. The iPhone problem will be settled by the market...
Uhhh no the definitely have an obligation to fix this. Telling consumers to hold your phone a different way is unacceptable. Even more unacceptable is saying there isn't an issue then trying to issue a software fix to deflect what is really going on.
Return the phone if you are unhappy with it. Let the market decide how to punish Apple for any misdeeds.
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There are some doubts about this whole 'bait and switch' issue including the whole "Apple knew they were going to do it and went ahead with the announcement of the unlimited one" stuff. And the issue of whether the TC says the prices can be changed at any point. But really that's neither here nor there since there are lawsuits etc that are covering it.
if he wanted to help his peoples, how about moving to have the laws that allow the tying of cell phones to one carrier dropped. How about investigating the whole test messaging price issue. How about the not so little detail that I"m allegedly paying 1/24th of that $400 back every month and yet I don't get credit for the full amount and I"m still paying that amount after my contract is up (but i'm using the same phone) or if I bring my own phone to the service.
Is the law or anyone else forcing Apple to stay exclusive with AT&T despite all the problems with that carrier? Or is Apple choosing to do so on their own? If so, shouldn't Apple share the blame for iPhone issues caused by Apple choosing a lousy carrier?
Someone needs to explain to this idiot that "senator' doesn't mean 'God-emperor".
And to the other 98 just like him.
THINK for yourself instead of puking up what you hear on the 5 o'clock news every night. Add some common fucking sense into your diet.
You are a dick.
Besides what was wrong with my statement?
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?
Shumer is doing his JOB. Party affiliation aside. Too difficult for everyone?
Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?
Funny. I don't see the big deal with him writing this letter. It's not like it takes a long time to write this.
I think the problem is he is trying tell the CEO of a prosperous company what to do, when he has not power to do so!
Wow, there is some serious anger going on in this thread. It is just a phone.
Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.
The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.
I'm so tired of politicians.
Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.
The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.
This isn't a D or R thing, it's a C(ongress) thing. D's have their limits about the proper scope of government too.
Stay out of this.
Sincerely,
We The People.
Someone needs to explain to this idiot that "senator' doesn't mean 'God-emperor".
Yeah Schumer wants to take away our guns that protect us from the likes of him.
But since it came the day AFTER Apple announced the press conference on Friday, it just looks like what it is, Politics
Later on, after this has all been taken care of, Apple does a hardware mod, software or whatever, Schumer will be jumping up and down trying to take all the credit, hoping no one will notice the order of events
This is precisely what is wrong with this country. No, not the government. People who think like you do.
Oh, I can't wait to read the explanation on that comment. Clearly the government getting even more involved in the last, oh..say, 18 months has done wonders for our economy.
You are a dick.
Besides what was wrong with my statement?
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?
You're right, I am most certainly a dick. Today, especially. but, let's focus on the crux of the issue, which is the fact that you, and hoards like you render yourselves useless and unable ( through you're own woeful ignorance ) to discern the difference between transparency , nationalization, checks and balances, socialism, the ebb and flow of power through the allocation of resources etc. Why do you think the market collapsed, again? Right. So now with the current administration, we have a shift that favors the left.
Take yourself a trip to Venezuela and have a chat with hugo chavez about the nationalization of private companies.
Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?
I don't see.. Oh, never mind.
What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Politicians insert themselves into all affairs whether they are needed or not, and it is clearly not needed here. In case anyone is fuzzy about what the sworn duty of a Senator is...
The Constitution requires that senators take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.
Congress has prescribed the following oath for new senators:
“\tI, (A— B—), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
What does any of what Schumer said have to do with the Constitution?
Likely, you're one of those who criticizes Congress for not doing their jobs. Well, one of their jobs is to represent the people and work in their interest, so that's what Mr. Schumer is doing here. And then you criticize him for doing it. How about you STFU?
Incorrect. Their job is to support and defend the Constitution. All else is proof of corruption of the office.
What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.
There should be Something more important foe the man to work on. Consumers have a choice. Don't buy the iPhone 4 or return it. Simple. Easy, peasy.
My tax dollars have much more important issues that need to addressed. The iPhone problem will be settled by the market...
Uhhh no the definitely have an obligation to fix this. Telling consumers to hold your phone a different way is unacceptable. Even more unacceptable is saying there isn't an issue then trying to issue a software fix to deflect what is really going on.
Return the phone if you are unhappy with it. Let the market decide how to punish Apple for any misdeeds.
I'd like to see Steve's response to this. He makes some valid points. We shouldn't have to buy accessories to make the iPhone work.
This is not a national issue. It is a product issue. Of very little importance to the majority of U.S. Citizens. The senator should go jump.
And that is the problem with government.
This is NOT part of his "official duties".
If there is a problem, it will be worked out in the LEGAL system not by the legislative branch.
It should be worked out in the market place. Nothing will hurt Apple more than thousands of returns.