Wouldn't be great if Jobs would say : " Thank you for coming. Now go and f... yourself. I have more things to worry about than pity people with fat thumbs. Just stck them back to where they belong. And for those that cry for free bumpers - no soup for you. Thank you".
There is a 30 day return period. Could it be that by continuing to say this is a software problem and then having an update "shortly" is a method to push initial buyers out past their 30 day window for returning their iPhone 4?
Ok wiseguy, then why is Apple suggesting to use the bumpers?? Or Jobs recommending "Not to holdit that way"?? I guess everybody except you is a HS dropout?? Get an education
OK, you just lost all credibility for being an antenna engineer, as well as for being intelligent.
Wouldn't be great if Jobs would say : " Thank you for coming. Now go and f... yourself. I have more things to worry about than pity people with fat thumbs. Just stck them back to where they belong. And for those that cry for free bumpers - no soup for you. Thank you".
I don't think that would be great. Telling their customers to get bent is not the answer.
If I were King (of Prussia or whereever), and I believed the head of the special film and coatings division of Bayer International (whom I spoke with) I would coat the antenna with urethane, which is one of the hardest and most durable of polymer coatings and should protect it and provide a modicum of insulation.
I really wish that people would stop making comments on subjects they don't understand.
"urethane' is not a chemical compound. It is a large group of chemical compounds, all of which have different physical and chemical properties.
SOME urethanes are hard and durable (but typically not as durable as the best epoxies in SOME applications). Other urethanes can be crumbled between your fingers with no effort at all. Durability and suitability varies with application. It is never correct to say that "polymer A is more durable than polymer B" without specifying the conditions and the test method.
It's time for everyone to stop commenting on the problem and its solution. NONE OF YOU KNOWS what the problem is (or if there's even a statistically significant number of problem phones). None of you know what the solution will be (if any). Apple has the data and you'll hear their explanation today. All this endless nonsense (It's hardware. It's software. Apple will give free bumpers. No free bumpers. Recall. No Recall. In store repair. No in store repair. Repeat ad nauseum) is not shedding any light nor getting closer to the solution.
I especially love the people who claim to be antenna engineers (actually, I don't know of any school that offers an antenna engineering degree. Most people working on antennae are electrical engineers with a specialization in RF fields. In any event, some of these self-proclaimed experts say it's software and can be fixed with a patch. Others say it's hardware and a bumper will fix it. Others say the phone will need to be replaced. And so on.
Let's just wait for real data interpreted by people who know what they're talking about (which does not include bloggers or NYT journalists or CR 'testers', apparently).
And this is not about 'basic antenna engineering', but 'complex mobile engineering'.
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
Let's just wait for real data interpreted by people who know what they're talking about (which does not include bloggers or NYT journalists or CR 'testers', apparently).
But it does include your good self and Apple, right?
"Instead, the problems emerged in the complex interaction between specialized communications software and the antenna, said the person, who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter,"
Interesting, because not all software that runs on the iPhone is from Apple. The GSM module runs software from Infineon. It is common knowledge in the embedded software world that al kinds of nasty software bugs and even software errors on higher level are more the rule than the exception for embedded modules; especially for wireless.
This software is very difficult to get right and runs on exotic CPUs with possibly all kinds of hardware problems.
It is also very difficult or even impossible (even for Apple) to have control over this software and the quality control that accompanies it.
The funny part is that all other mobile phone manufactures have to deal with the same GSM module suppliers, all having the same problems.
Good article that provides into the complexity of the problem and software/hardware relation. Article without reference to iPhone 4 problems more of general nature. Proves that posts of most experts are complete BS
Excellent article. Highly recommended read.
Unfortunately many trolling here won't quite understand its implications or really aren't here to even try.
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
No, an antenna by itself is nothing more than a piece of wire, or in this case beautifully engineered steel. It needs very specialized software and hardware to be able to use it.
But it does include your good self and Apple, right?
Please tell me which of the bloggers is better qualified to diagnose and fix the problem than Apple. That's the real absurdity of the Apple-hater's position. You'd rather believe that some silly blogger knows more about the problem and how to fix it than Apple. It's just impossible to argue with such stupidity.
As for me, I haven't been playing the "I know the answer and here it is" game, so I don't know why you're including me - other than your usual inability to form a logical thought.
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
So the antenna works by itself? It doesn't have to interface with other hardware components? It's not affected by the surroundings? It is not controlled by software?
Wow, antenna design sure has made some miraculous improvements lately.
No disrespect intended since you are obviously a noob, but if you are going to get any street cred around here as an engineer, you need to offer more proof. This place is rife with BSers.
Agree. Please post your diploma(s) from all schools attended. Offer up six references. Get a lie detector test.
All of this is critical to "street cred" on some message board.
Frankly, my sense is that if s/he did offer more detailed explanation, you (me, et. al.) wouldn't understand it anyway.
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"It continued"? That must mean the source is Ina Fried.
There is a 30 day return period. Could it be that by continuing to say this is a software problem and then having an update "shortly" is a method to push initial buyers out past their 30 day window for returning their iPhone 4?
Just return it.
No need to feel sorry.
Just know that, if not for Anonymous, we'd never have things like Watergate.
Well, we'd still have things like Watergate, we just would never find out about them.
Ok wiseguy, then why is Apple suggesting to use the bumpers?? Or Jobs recommending "Not to holdit that way"?? I guess everybody except you is a HS dropout?? Get an education
OK, you just lost all credibility for being an antenna engineer, as well as for being intelligent.
Wouldn't be great if Jobs would say : " Thank you for coming. Now go and f... yourself. I have more things to worry about than pity people with fat thumbs. Just stck them back to where they belong. And for those that cry for free bumpers - no soup for you. Thank you".
I don't think that would be great. Telling their customers to get bent is not the answer.
If I were King (of Prussia or whereever), and I believed the head of the special film and coatings division of Bayer International (whom I spoke with) I would coat the antenna with urethane, which is one of the hardest and most durable of polymer coatings and should protect it and provide a modicum of insulation.
I really wish that people would stop making comments on subjects they don't understand.
"urethane' is not a chemical compound. It is a large group of chemical compounds, all of which have different physical and chemical properties.
SOME urethanes are hard and durable (but typically not as durable as the best epoxies in SOME applications). Other urethanes can be crumbled between your fingers with no effort at all. Durability and suitability varies with application. It is never correct to say that "polymer A is more durable than polymer B" without specifying the conditions and the test method.
It's time for everyone to stop commenting on the problem and its solution. NONE OF YOU KNOWS what the problem is (or if there's even a statistically significant number of problem phones). None of you know what the solution will be (if any). Apple has the data and you'll hear their explanation today. All this endless nonsense (It's hardware. It's software. Apple will give free bumpers. No free bumpers. Recall. No Recall. In store repair. No in store repair. Repeat ad nauseum) is not shedding any light nor getting closer to the solution.
I especially love the people who claim to be antenna engineers (actually, I don't know of any school that offers an antenna engineering degree. Most people working on antennae are electrical engineers with a specialization in RF fields. In any event, some of these self-proclaimed experts say it's software and can be fixed with a patch. Others say it's hardware and a bumper will fix it. Others say the phone will need to be replaced. And so on.
Let's just wait for real data interpreted by people who know what they're talking about (which does not include bloggers or NYT journalists or CR 'testers', apparently).
And this is not about 'basic antenna engineering', but 'complex mobile engineering'.
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
Ok, we get it that English is not your first language, but now you are just digging yourself a hole. Which space agency did you say you worked for?
Space cadet fo' shure.
Let's just wait for real data interpreted by people who know what they're talking about (which does not include bloggers or NYT journalists or CR 'testers', apparently).
But it does include your good self and Apple, right?
Ok, we get it that English is not your first language, but now you are just digging yourself a hole. Which space agency did you say you worked for?
He works for (and I quote) "space business."
"Instead, the problems emerged in the complex interaction between specialized communications software and the antenna, said the person, who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter,"
Interesting, because not all software that runs on the iPhone is from Apple. The GSM module runs software from Infineon. It is common knowledge in the embedded software world that al kinds of nasty software bugs and even software errors on higher level are more the rule than the exception for embedded modules; especially for wireless.
This software is very difficult to get right and runs on exotic CPUs with possibly all kinds of hardware problems.
It is also very difficult or even impossible (even for Apple) to have control over this software and the quality control that accompanies it.
The funny part is that all other mobile phone manufactures have to deal with the same GSM module suppliers, all having the same problems.
J.
http://www.ed-china.com/ARTICLE_IMAG...URCES=DOWNLOAD
Good article that provides into the complexity of the problem and software/hardware relation. Article without reference to iPhone 4 problems more of general nature. Proves that posts of most experts are complete BS
Excellent article. Highly recommended read.
Unfortunately many trolling here won't quite understand its implications or really aren't here to even try.
Thank you
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
No, an antenna by itself is nothing more than a piece of wire, or in this case beautifully engineered steel. It needs very specialized software and hardware to be able to use it.
J
He works for (and I quote) "space business."
Including the space between the trolls' ears?
But it does include your good self and Apple, right?
Please tell me which of the bloggers is better qualified to diagnose and fix the problem than Apple. That's the real absurdity of the Apple-hater's position. You'd rather believe that some silly blogger knows more about the problem and how to fix it than Apple. It's just impossible to argue with such stupidity.
As for me, I haven't been playing the "I know the answer and here it is" game, so I don't know why you're including me - other than your usual inability to form a logical thought.
I am going to have to call you on this. An antenna is an antenna is an antenna. It does not know whether it is mobile, fixed or in outer space. It IS about antenna design.
So the antenna works by itself? It doesn't have to interface with other hardware components? It's not affected by the surroundings? It is not controlled by software?
Wow, antenna design sure has made some miraculous improvements lately.
We are waiting. I will see as soon as I download the new iOS 4.0.1.
If no change, I will wait to hear what Apple will say on Friday, then decide whether to return this phone or not.
I still have my trust in Apple.
If you were that concerned you think you would actually read the article.
Yet another blog genius without a clue.
No disrespect intended since you are obviously a noob, but if you are going to get any street cred around here as an engineer, you need to offer more proof. This place is rife with BSers.
Agree. Please post your diploma(s) from all schools attended. Offer up six references. Get a lie detector test.
All of this is critical to "street cred" on some message board.
Frankly, my sense is that if s/he did offer more detailed explanation, you (me, et. al.) wouldn't understand it anyway.
Guess we'll find out at 1pm Eastern.