Hackers release browser-based 'jailbreak' for iPhone 4

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  • Reply 101 of 178
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    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Don't worry. Apple would never void your warrenty just because you visited a certain website.



    But that brings up an interesting point. Why doesn't Apple limit the websites people are allowed to visit? That way, we wouldn't be taking these kinds of risks. We could know that if we visit a website that Apple coded into our iPhone as "allowed", we would be better off knowing it would not harm our device.



    You ARE kidding right? Sarcasm doesn't show well in type.
  • Reply 102 of 178
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    - malware that only got there by jailbreaking the phone. It makes the iPhone look insecure.





    Seriously. The only thing is that Safari can alter to entire OS by visiting a website. Other than that, there are no security flaws. But these jailbreakers and crackers are costing Apple money making the iPhone look insecure!
  • Reply 103 of 178
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    Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post


    Jailbreaks ARE safe-it's what they do AFTER the jailbreak that can cause problems-though true bricking from jailbreaking as far as I can tell are just reports and scare tactics-as they are 100% reversible. If they have a hardware failure - its just that - nothing was caused by the jailbreak. The device would have failed regardless.



    I've fixed and troubleshot many an iphone (both jb and not jb) and not a one was not fixable -and some were like FUBAR-but a little skill, research and patience...FIXED.



    -One should NEVER jailbreak if they can barely pass a beginner's test of computer skills. You would be surprised how many people don't know what the eff a desktop is!



    -A tech friend of mine at the apple store told me - they have never had a truly bricked iphone come in that was caused by a jailbreak-though apple says it does void your warranty they have fixed every single problematic iphone that has arrived - noting that jailbreaks at worse only would make you lose personal data-the void warranty is apples way out should someday a TRUE problem caused by a jailbreak were to actually service.



    -These stories of nightmares from jailbreaking are end-user errors, caused by people who aren't paying attention and not reading disclaimers before they install. The initial jailbreak tells you just to cover them from liability that YOU CAN eff your iPhone up-WARNING-the jailbreak says it just to cover their asses-they know they cant brick your iphone-but people will always claim it cause SOMEONE must pay for their own mistakes, accidents NEVER happen-and they are actually Android users not even owning an iPhone-



    SEEMS these days that blogs are worthless - hell with antennagate and whatnot-perhaps this is just evidence of our de-evolution, the virtual lobotomy that technology seems to cause and the shameful un-education in from no-funded public schools. Lucky for us if these are the causes, they are fixable. If not, we are doomed.



    This has to be the dumbest collection of horsepoop i've heard in a while. Logic isn't your strong suit is it?



    You are arguing that no Jailbreak will "brick" the phone but in so doing, you mention lots of cases of this happening. You blame the problem on the end user, but don't point to any particular thing they might have done that could have caused it. Then you say that everything is "fixable" the user just needs to go to some expert in jailbreaking like yourself, to "fix" the "bricked" iPhones (which by your account don't exist).



    In short, you make all kinds of categorical black and white statements here that aren't true, and even show evidence in your own descriptions that they are not. What are you twelve? Merely saying something in a forceful way doesn't make it true and hyperbole is for idiots.



    I guess the bricked iPhones of those folks that didn't find an "expert" like you to "fix" them (when they aren't broken), don't count?
  • Reply 104 of 178
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Don't worry. Apple would never void your warrenty just because you visited a certain website.



    But that brings up an interesting point. Why doesn't Apple limit the websites people are allowed to visit? That way, we wouldn't be taking these kinds of risks. We could know that if we visit a website that Apple coded into our iPhone as "allowed", we would be better off knowing it would not harm our device.



    Whata great idea! Then Apple could charge companies to be on their list of approved websites! Wow what a money making idea. If companies did not want to pay to be on the approved list then Apple would ban every Apple device from being able to get to their website!!!! Awesome!! Whata great little tightly controlled world Apple would have! they could call it the Apple Internet! or AI if you will..... man talk about a controlled user experience!

    NOT that was all sarcasim
  • Reply 105 of 178
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by fishstick_kitty View Post


    All I can say is wow...just wow. The fact that something like this can run straight from a web browser is unbelievable to say the least. Makes me wonder how much of apples security is "perceived" and only waiting for somebody to take advantage.



    If I was steve jobs, there's be a crap storm this morning in the safari team office





    What you need to understand is that this is an industry-wide problem, and that no computer in history is 100% secure. (The iPhone IS a computer, whether the whiners want to admit it or not.)



    Apple will fix this soon enough, but all those other browsers will stay full of holes that those other companies will not even bother to fix.
  • Reply 106 of 178
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Seriously. The only thing is that Safari can alter to entire OS by visiting a website. Other than that, there are no security flaws. But these jailbreakers and crackers are costing Apple money making the iPhone look insecure!



    Yes, this is a serious flaw that needs to be fixed.



    The difference, of course, is that you have to intentionally go to the site and tell the site to jailbreak your phone in order to do anything. That's quite different from malware that steals your personal information without you doing anything (or simply downloading a wallpaper app).



    As I said - it needs to be fixed. It's not at this point a serious issue - because the only people going to that site and telling it to break their phone are ones who presumably know what they're doing.
  • Reply 107 of 178
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    In theory. In the REAL world, some jailbreaks have bricked phones.



    .





    Those Ass Hats who jailbreak deserve what they get. It is a well-known fact that jailbreaking bricks the phones. I saw a sign at the Genius Bar that warned us about it.
  • Reply 108 of 178
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    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    This has to be the dumbest collection of horsepoop i've heard in a while. Logic isn't your strong suit is it?



    You are arguing that no Jailbreak will "brick" the phone but in so doing, you mention lots of cases of this happening. You blame the problem on the end user, but don't point to any particular thing they might have done that could have caused it. Then you say that everything is "fixable" the user just needs to go to some expert in jailbreaking like yourself, to "fix" the "bricked" iPhones (which by your account don't exist).



    In short, you make all kinds of categorical black and white statements here that aren't true, and even show evidence in your own descriptions that they are not. What are you twelve? Merely saying something in a forceful way doesn't make it true and hyperbole is for idiots.



    I guess the bricked iPhones of those folks that didn't find an "expert" like you to "fix" them (when they aren't broken), don't count?



    THEY WERE NOT BRICKED by the JAILBREAK! I think i said they were 'bricked" with quotes meaning lameasses would claim they were bricked. The ones i fixed were broken to those that had issues... and they do count cause they are cases in point!

    NO PHONE has EVER been BRICKED by a jailbreak.



    You get 3 days detention. Minus two for my failure to communicate by breaking it down so no intelligent conclusions weren't needed. Logic on my part is irrelevant. For you in regards to logic... well -let's just let this slide for now-. This leaves you with 1 day detention.
  • Reply 109 of 178
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Don't worry. Apple would never void your warrenty just because you visited a certain website.



    But that brings up an interesting point. Why doesn't Apple limit the websites people are allowed to visit? That way, we wouldn't be taking these kinds of risks. We could know that if we visit a website that Apple coded into our iPhone as "allowed", we would be better off knowing it would not harm our device.



    Har-de-har-har.



    I feel especially positive today so I'm going to add that it's always possible Apple will do the right thing, which is actually the easiest thing also at this point.



    1) If unlocking your phone is now legal in the USA, then Apple could just sell the phones unlocked from now on. They already do in many other countries and the exclusivity clause is about to run out with AT&T anyway.



    2) The simplest strategy to fight jailbreaking, and one that Apple has been using all along, is to remove the reasons for jailbreaking by adding functionality to the phone. The easiest thing to do at this stage is to allow the iPhone to be a WiFi hotspot. It can already do it, Apple just has to enable the functionality in the firmware.



    3) Leave off the hard core pornography, but put the reasonable adult stuff back in the store and set everyone's iPhone to a moderate level of parental controls by default.



    If they do those three things then stealing apps becomes pretty much the entire and only reason to jailbreak, and that is still 100% illegal and can be dealt with.
  • Reply 110 of 178
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    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    Whata great idea! Then Apple could charge companies to be on their list of approved websites! Wow what a money making idea. If companies did not want to pay to be on the approved list then Apple would ban every Apple device from being able to get to their website!!!! Awesome!! Whata great little tightly controlled world Apple would have! they could call it the Apple Internet! or AI if you will..... man talk about a controlled user experience!

    NOT that was all sarcasim



    Thank the stars-was worried about you little warrior...



    YOU GET EXTRA CREDIT!
  • Reply 111 of 178
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post


    CLASS!! ATTENTION-case in point:



    THIS is the kind of BS that propaganda and LIES fuel to an uninformed and uneducated naive population-



    I'll leave this one to class to do a little research - this can be disproven fairly quickly with elementary search skills-



    Students: Failure at this task will make your overall grade fall well below a passing grade and you will have to retake the course. You must pass this one kids.





    Apple does not engage in BS or propoganda or lies. Never has, never will.



    Jailbreakers crash cell towers. Apple told that to the US government. In my opinion, jailbreakers should be treated as potential terrorists.
  • Reply 112 of 178
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post


    THEY WERE NOT BRICKED by the JAILBREAK! I think i said they were 'bricked" with quotes meaning lameasses would claim they were bricked. The ones i fixed were broken to those that had issues... and they do count cause they are cases in point!

    NO PHONE has EVER been BRICKED by a jailbreak.



    You get 3 days detention. Minus two for my failure to communicate by breaking it down so no intelligent conclusions weren't needed. Logic on my part is irrelevant. For you in regards to logic... well -let's just let this slide for now-. This leaves you with 1 day detention.



    You just don't' get it dude.



    They were bricked as far as the end user knew. They were bricked for all practical intents and purposes. Then they came to you and you "fixed" them.



    PS - That "teacher" schtick only works when you are smarter and more knowledgeable than the rest of the "class." Your obsessive use of it here also identifies you as likely a juvenile.
  • Reply 113 of 178
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    Har-de-har-har.



    I feel especially positive today so I'm going to add that it's always possible Apple will do the right thing, which is actually the easiest thing also at this point.



    1) If unlocking your phone is now legal in the USA, then Apple could just sell the phones unlocked from now on. They already do in many other countries and the exclusivity clause is about to run out with AT&T anyway.



    2) The simplest strategy to fight jailbreaking, and one that Apple has been using all along, is to remove the reasons for jailbreaking by adding functionality to the phone. The easiest thing to do at this stage is to allow the iPhone to be a WiFi hotspot. It can already do it, Apple just has to enable the functionality in the firmware.



    3) Leave off the hard core pornography, but put the reasonable adult stuff back in the store and set everyone's iPhone to a moderate level of parental controls by default.



    If they do those three things then stealing apps becomes pretty much the entire and only reason to jailbreak, and that is still 100% illegal and can be dealt with.



    This makes sense......I wonder why Apple sells unlocked phones abroad and locked phones in the US? Are there consumer protection laws in those countries that makes it illeagl to sell locked phones?

    EDIT: I think AT&T might object to the WIFI Hotspot.
  • Reply 114 of 178
    please help i jailbreaked my iphone but now it would not turn on or connect to itunes please help
  • Reply 115 of 178
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    Whata great idea! Then Apple could charge companies to be on their list of approved websites!





    I don't know about that, but just like the App store, if they had to get their website approved we'd be free of porn and all the security problems that you get when you visit just any old website.



    I think it would improve the user experience if you didn't have to worry about malicious websites ruining your day.
  • Reply 116 of 178
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    Har-de-har-har.



    I feel especially positive today so I'm going to add that it's always possible Apple will do the right thing, which is actually the easiest thing also at this point.



    1) If unlocking your phone is now legal in the USA, then Apple could just sell the phones unlocked from now on. They already do in many other countries and the exclusivity clause is about to run out with AT&T anyway.



    2) The simplest strategy to fight jailbreaking, and one that Apple has been using all along, is to remove the reasons for jailbreaking by adding functionality to the phone. The easiest thing to do at this stage is to allow the iPhone to be a WiFi hotspot. It can already do it, Apple just has to enable the functionality in the firmware.



    3) Leave off the hard core pornography, but put the reasonable adult stuff back in the store and set everyone's iPhone to a moderate level of parental controls by default.



    If they do those three things then stealing apps becomes pretty much the entire and only reason to jailbreak, and that is still 100% illegal and can be dealt with.



    Some valid points but Apple will never cover all the wonderful aspects of a jailbreak as developers continue to amaze with new ideas and we users have new amazing (not all are amazing though) ideas. However-stealing apps is not as widespread in the US as Apple and disinformers would have you believe. While it is a problem - it is SO VERY over blown and gets the most attention in media and in forums-it being one of the only valid arguments against a jailbreak. AND a standard installed jailbreak does not permit cracked appstore apps to sync or install for that matter without installing several components that a user must install using repository additions to Cydia (the JB store) that Cydia warns the user that they offer items for installation that they do not recommend or approve of-even giving you the option to either continue or cancel that addition. And remember-people will always use great things to do bad things. The world could be a pretty boring place if we stopped things from being available the one time someone misuses them. Yes?
  • Reply 117 of 178
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Apple does not engage in BS or propoganda or lies. Never has, never will.



    Jailbreakers crash cell towers. Apple told that to the US government. In my opinion, jailbreakers should be treated as potential terrorists.



    you are - well FULL of sh......
  • Reply 118 of 178
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Apple does not engage in BS or propoganda or lies. Never has, never will.



    Jailbreakers crash cell towers. Apple told that to the US government. In my opinion, jailbreakers should be treated as potential terrorists.



    SendMe...thank you for lighten up my Monday! You are either very naive or just playing games with all of us this morning.....but either way thanks for the laugh! :-)
  • Reply 119 of 178
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    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    You just don't' get it dude.



    They were bricked as far as the end user knew. They were bricked for all practical intents and purposes. Then they came to you and you "fixed" them.



    PS - That "teacher" schtick only works when you are smarter and more knowledgeable than the rest of the "class." Your obsessive use of it here also identifies you as likely a juvenile.



    I need a shoe-I certainly know more than you in this subject matter and probably astrophysics (as that is my major)-You may know some things I don't. Perhaps I would take a class if needed. But as far as this goes-not to fight but YOU just don't get it.

    Bricking is sooo loosely used and so outrageously rare that you obviously are a part of the problem-

    Perhaps you have a learning disability. All of this is getting boring as the IQs from posts drop like rain.
  • Reply 120 of 178
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post


    Some valid points but Apple will never cover all the wonderful aspects of a jailbreak as developers continue to amaze with new ideas and we users have new amazing (not all are amazing though) ideas. However-stealing apps is not as widespread in the US as Apple and disinformers would have you believe. While it is a problem - it is SO VERY over blown and gets the most attention in media and in forums-it being one of the only valid arguments against a jailbreak. AND a standard installed jailbreak does not permit cracked appstore apps to sync or install for that matter without installing several components that a user must install using repository additions to Cydia (the JB store) that Cydia warns the user that they offer items for installation that they do not recommend or approve of-even giving you the option to either continue or cancel that addition. And remember-people will always use great things to do bad things. The world could be a pretty boring place if we stopped things from being available the one time someone misuses them. Yes?



    help me please my i just jailbreaked my iphone and it wouldnt turn on or connect to itunes
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