In the UK there is hardly any Androids. Why? iPhone comes Sim-free. I bet it's the same in many other countries too. When iPhone goes sim free the game will feature Black Berry and iPhone. Android and all it's unfortunate supporters will find the only reason why people went with it, is because of FUD about AT&T being a bad network. Soon as they try the iPhone out on other networks and these other networks get some payload, the'll find the same problems. Guess what? Will they return it for an Android? Hell NO! They'd rather suffer with there BB or iPhone then have to turn back to that FOSS POS known as Android.
Why such hate over a phone OS? Did Android take your lunch money?? Steal your girlfriend??
Either way, looks like Android is growing quite nicely in the UK.
Why such hate over a phone OS? Did Android take your lunch money?? Steal your girlfriend??
Because a) it's crapware, and people who like apple for the right reasons, and not because it's trendy, hate crapware, especially when the crapware is also spyware, like all Google products, and b) now that Google has shown its true face by abandoning net neutrality for its personal commercial benefit, they have shown their true face, and that face is the face of evil.
Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
Define "severe". As far as I know, getting from 1.6 to 2.x was the major revision hurdle in terms of development of apps. As time steps forward the amount of 1.5 and 1.6 devices grows ever smaller.
The latest numbers have 2.1 running on close to 60% of Android devices. While there are a few great features going from 2.1 to 2.2 (JIT, Chrome2Device, faster browser, etc), there's no real difference in terms of app compatibility, which was the main complaint of 1.6 device users. I believe that come the end of the year, 1.5 and 1.6 will have become so small as to not even matter anymore.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Android is doing better than Apple based on ALL Android phone sales and then ask us to ignore all the highest volume BOGO phones.
Right!
The only thing that they can claim is that Android OS phones outsell iOS phones, in the aggregate. But if you compare to only one Android phone, Apple RULES!.
The only thing that they can claim is that Android OS phones outsell iOS phones, in the aggregate. But if you compare to only one Android phone, Apple RULES!.
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
To use your example, it's like someone liking Italian food, and the only choices being olive garden.
I think that is wrong. It is more like if you go to Olive Garden and they only have one thing on the menu, but it is the best meal for sale anywhere, and you can choose to have either 8, 16 or 32 meatballs.
Not that great for the manufacturers' bottom line, however.
The above was in response to the BOGO deal being great for the cosumer.
You do realize that it's not the manufacturer taking the hit, right? It's the carrier who doing the promotion. Give away $200 and get a 2 year contract in return worth far more. All the devices in stock at a carrier's store has already been paid for, so the manufacturer has already gotten paid. It's not a "free" device the manufacturer just hands over to the consumer.
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
Actually, no. What is being compared is operating systems on the Android side and phones on the iOS side. The valid comparisons are either phone to phone, or OS to OS, not OS to phone. Just because all Android devices being sold in any significant numbers are currently phones, doesn't make it valid to exclude iPod Touch and iPad from the comparison.
Besides, the important point in all this is that Google has now shown its hand, and it's holding three 6s. The mark of the beast:
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
Sorry, you're using a distorted figure - as usual.
If you are comparing operating systems (as you claim), you need to include iPod Touch and iPad in Apple's column.
You're trying to compare a mixed bag - ALL devices using Android vs. only SOME of the devices using iOS.
Once again, you have to ask the right question before looking for the answer.
1. If you're an average developer, you're more interested in all the devices running a given OS (or, more likely, the revenue generated by each platform which favors iOS even more heavily).
2. If you're a developer of software that requires phone hardware, then your analysis makes sense - How many phones are there using Android OS vs iOS (although you'd more likely be interested in global numbers).
3. If you're an investor, profits will be more relevant.
4. If you're a customer, none of those matter directly, although future availability of software will be important, so you might look at #1 above.
5. If you're a simple Apple-basher, you would look at ALL Android phones put together against just the iPhone - as you are doing.
That's one of the worst things about Android - all the different phones. Apple is much easier all the way around, from initial selection, to instant setup, to intuitive use.
Everybody is confused by all this Android/DROID/Whatever stuff with 17 different operating systems and you don't even know what to do.
I would argue that that's one of the best things about Android. There's a phone for everyone. Not everyone has the same styling/features taste.
I'm guessing you're more speaking for yourself than "everybody". I personally don't think there's much confusion with the names. Most people just drop the "Droid" part of their phone's name (i.e. calling it the Incredible, X, Eris, etc). Besides, that's just a Verizon thing to have a lineup. All the other carriers just use the a make/model like any other phone on the market.
As for the "17 operating systems", I'm guessing you mean GUIs like Sense and whatnot, since there's only 1 operatining system. I agree that it does add a bit of complexity to the initial choice compared to the iPhone. I personally would like to see a more uniform GUI too. Android 3.0 is supposed to work on the GUI part and I'm really hoping that Google makes it so that OEM customizations like Sense and MotorBlur can be easily installed as a theme and not integrated so tightly into the OS.
Sorry, you're using a distorted figure - as usual.
If you are comparing operating systems (as you claim), you need to include iPod Touch and iPad in Apple's column.
You're trying to compare a mixed bag - ALL devices using Android vs. only SOME of the devices using iOS.
I belive the NPD data only covers mobile phone devices and that's what they intended to do all along. As far as that goes, I believe a prerequisite for a mobile phone is to be able to make the "traditional", non-VoIP calls. Neither the iPod/iPod Touch/iPad can do that as far as I know. Only the iPhone 4/3G/3GS qualifies.
So comparing all the Android OS mobile phone devices against the combination of iPhone 4/3G/3GS is fair. NPD made it clear that it was going after "mobile phones" only for this particular study, so there is no distortion here.
I belive the NPD data only covers mobile phone devices and that's what they intended to do all along. As far as that goes, I believe a prerequisite for a mobile phone is to be able to make the "traditional", non-VoIP calls. Neither the iPod/iPod Touch/iPad can do that as far as I know. Only the iPhone 4/3G/3GS qualifies.
So comparing all the Android OS mobile phone devices against the combination of iPhone 4/3G/3GS is fair. NPD made it clear that it was going after "mobile phones" only for this particular study, so there is no distortion here.
Their is a difference between it being what they intended to do and it being a meaningful analysis. ("Fairness" isn't even a useful concept here.) All you are confirming is that it isn't a meaningful analysis.
Their is a difference between it being what they intended to do and it being a meaningful analysis. ("Fairness" isn't even a useful concept here.) All you are confirming is that it isn't a meaningful analysis.
How is it not meaningful? If you want to look at all mobile phone sales in the US for the quarter/year, then you have to limit the iOS to all iterations of the iPhone, as all other iOS devices don't qualify as a mobile phone (in the tranditional sense). And I agree. Fairness isn't a concept on these boards (it is an Apple-themed site, after all). It's what the individual wants to make of it.
All I've done is confirmed that it isn't a meaningful analysis for you. There are clearly people who find these statistics and numbers meaningful, otherwise a large organization like NPD wouldn't have bothered to do the study in the first place.
How is it not meaningful? If you want to look at all mobile phone sales in the US for the quarter/year, then you have to limit the iOS to all iterations of the iPhone, as all other iOS devices don't qualify as a mobile phone (in the tranditional sense).
What you're ignoring is the most important thing. WHAT IS THE ANALYSIS FOR?
If you want an academic analysis of which OS is on more phones (for a limited time and geography), then you're OK. But if you want to actually DO something with the information, that analysis is probably useless. It is discussed in my previous post. You're clearly in group #5.
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In the UK there is hardly any Androids. Why? iPhone comes Sim-free. I bet it's the same in many other countries too. When iPhone goes sim free the game will feature Black Berry and iPhone. Android and all it's unfortunate supporters will find the only reason why people went with it, is because of FUD about AT&T being a bad network. Soon as they try the iPhone out on other networks and these other networks get some payload, the'll find the same problems. Guess what? Will they return it for an Android? Hell NO! They'd rather suffer with there BB or iPhone then have to turn back to that FOSS POS known as Android.
Why such hate over a phone OS? Did Android take your lunch money?? Steal your girlfriend??
Either way, looks like Android is growing quite nicely in the UK.
http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/news...apples-shrinks
LOL
Why such hate over a phone OS? Did Android take your lunch money?? Steal your girlfriend??
Because a) it's crapware, and people who like apple for the right reasons, and not because it's trendy, hate crapware, especially when the crapware is also spyware, like all Google products, and b) now that Google has shown its true face by abandoning net neutrality for its personal commercial benefit, they have shown their true face, and that face is the face of evil.
Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
Define "severe". As far as I know, getting from 1.6 to 2.x was the major revision hurdle in terms of development of apps. As time steps forward the amount of 1.5 and 1.6 devices grows ever smaller.
The latest numbers have 2.1 running on close to 60% of Android devices. While there are a few great features going from 2.1 to 2.2 (JIT, Chrome2Device, faster browser, etc), there's no real difference in terms of app compatibility, which was the main complaint of 1.6 device users. I believe that come the end of the year, 1.5 and 1.6 will have become so small as to not even matter anymore.
One quarter does not a trend make.
Here's a graph showing the trends:
Looks to me like Android is decelerating.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Android is doing better than Apple based on ALL Android phone sales and then ask us to ignore all the highest volume BOGO phones.
Right!
The only thing that they can claim is that Android OS phones outsell iOS phones, in the aggregate. But if you compare to only one Android phone, Apple RULES!.
Right!
The only thing that they can claim is that Android OS phones outsell iOS phones, in the aggregate. But if you compare to only one Android phone, Apple RULES!.
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
To use your example, it's like someone liking Italian food, and the only choices being olive garden.
I think that is wrong. It is more like if you go to Olive Garden and they only have one thing on the menu, but it is the best meal for sale anywhere, and you can choose to have either 8, 16 or 32 meatballs.
Sweet!
Not that great for the manufacturers' bottom line, however.
The above was in response to the BOGO deal being great for the cosumer.
You do realize that it's not the manufacturer taking the hit, right? It's the carrier who doing the promotion. Give away $200 and get a 2 year contract in return worth far more. All the devices in stock at a carrier's store has already been paid for, so the manufacturer has already gotten paid. It's not a "free" device the manufacturer just hands over to the consumer.
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
Actually, no. What is being compared is operating systems on the Android side and phones on the iOS side. The valid comparisons are either phone to phone, or OS to OS, not OS to phone. Just because all Android devices being sold in any significant numbers are currently phones, doesn't make it valid to exclude iPod Touch and iPad from the comparison.
Besides, the important point in all this is that Google has now shown its hand, and it's holding three 6s. The mark of the beast:
We aren't comparing phones we are comparing operating systems. There isn't anyone here that should be shocked that the Android OS is now outselling iOS, its next to impossible for Apple to outsell Google when they only have one phone and are limited to one carrier.
Sorry, you're using a distorted figure - as usual.
If you are comparing operating systems (as you claim), you need to include iPod Touch and iPad in Apple's column.
You're trying to compare a mixed bag - ALL devices using Android vs. only SOME of the devices using iOS.
Once again, you have to ask the right question before looking for the answer.
1. If you're an average developer, you're more interested in all the devices running a given OS (or, more likely, the revenue generated by each platform which favors iOS even more heavily).
2. If you're a developer of software that requires phone hardware, then your analysis makes sense - How many phones are there using Android OS vs iOS (although you'd more likely be interested in global numbers).
3. If you're an investor, profits will be more relevant.
4. If you're a customer, none of those matter directly, although future availability of software will be important, so you might look at #1 above.
5. If you're a simple Apple-basher, you would look at ALL Android phones put together against just the iPhone - as you are doing.
Besides, the important point in all this is that Google has now shown its hand, and it's holding three 6s. The mark of the beast:
Apple needs to bid up the pot, take all of Google's money, and then lay down their Royal Flush.
Wait a minute - they already released the iP4. Sorry Google, we're gonna eat your lunch!
That's one of the worst things about Android - all the different phones. Apple is much easier all the way around, from initial selection, to instant setup, to intuitive use.
Everybody is confused by all this Android/DROID/Whatever stuff with 17 different operating systems and you don't even know what to do.
I would argue that that's one of the best things about Android. There's a phone for everyone. Not everyone has the same styling/features taste.
I'm guessing you're more speaking for yourself than "everybody". I personally don't think there's much confusion with the names. Most people just drop the "Droid" part of their phone's name (i.e. calling it the Incredible, X, Eris, etc). Besides, that's just a Verizon thing to have a lineup. All the other carriers just use the a make/model like any other phone on the market.
As for the "17 operating systems", I'm guessing you mean GUIs like Sense and whatnot, since there's only 1 operatining system. I agree that it does add a bit of complexity to the initial choice compared to the iPhone. I personally would like to see a more uniform GUI too. Android 3.0 is supposed to work on the GUI part and I'm really hoping that Google makes it so that OEM customizations like Sense and MotorBlur can be easily installed as a theme and not integrated so tightly into the OS.
Apple needs to bid up the pot, take all of Google's money, and then lay down their Royal Flush.
Wait a minute - they already released the iP4. Sorry Google, we're gonna eat your lunch!
Another pointless comment from tekstud, AI's most notorious troll.
Sorry, you're using a distorted figure - as usual.
If you are comparing operating systems (as you claim), you need to include iPod Touch and iPad in Apple's column.
You're trying to compare a mixed bag - ALL devices using Android vs. only SOME of the devices using iOS.
I belive the NPD data only covers mobile phone devices and that's what they intended to do all along. As far as that goes, I believe a prerequisite for a mobile phone is to be able to make the "traditional", non-VoIP calls. Neither the iPod/iPod Touch/iPad can do that as far as I know. Only the iPhone 4/3G/3GS qualifies.
So comparing all the Android OS mobile phone devices against the combination of iPhone 4/3G/3GS is fair. NPD made it clear that it was going after "mobile phones" only for this particular study, so there is no distortion here.
Besides, the important point in all this is that Google has now shown its hand, and it's holding three 6s. The mark of the beast
If wacky numerology superstitions have become "the important point" it seems this thread is done.
I belive the NPD data only covers mobile phone devices and that's what they intended to do all along. As far as that goes, I believe a prerequisite for a mobile phone is to be able to make the "traditional", non-VoIP calls. Neither the iPod/iPod Touch/iPad can do that as far as I know. Only the iPhone 4/3G/3GS qualifies.
So comparing all the Android OS mobile phone devices against the combination of iPhone 4/3G/3GS is fair. NPD made it clear that it was going after "mobile phones" only for this particular study, so there is no distortion here.
Their is a difference between it being what they intended to do and it being a meaningful analysis. ("Fairness" isn't even a useful concept here.) All you are confirming is that it isn't a meaningful analysis.
If wacky numerology superstitions have become "the important point" it seems this thread is done.
Why is it that the trolls have no understanding of anything but literal prose? Is it that your soul is a black pit of depravity?
Their is a difference between it being what they intended to do and it being a meaningful analysis. ("Fairness" isn't even a useful concept here.) All you are confirming is that it isn't a meaningful analysis.
How is it not meaningful? If you want to look at all mobile phone sales in the US for the quarter/year, then you have to limit the iOS to all iterations of the iPhone, as all other iOS devices don't qualify as a mobile phone (in the tranditional sense). And I agree. Fairness isn't a concept on these boards (it is an Apple-themed site, after all). It's what the individual wants to make of it.
All I've done is confirmed that it isn't a meaningful analysis for you. There are clearly people who find these statistics and numbers meaningful, otherwise a large organization like NPD wouldn't have bothered to do the study in the first place.
How is it not meaningful? If you want to look at all mobile phone sales in the US for the quarter/year, then you have to limit the iOS to all iterations of the iPhone, as all other iOS devices don't qualify as a mobile phone (in the tranditional sense).
What you're ignoring is the most important thing. WHAT IS THE ANALYSIS FOR?
If you want an academic analysis of which OS is on more phones (for a limited time and geography), then you're OK. But if you want to actually DO something with the information, that analysis is probably useless. It is discussed in my previous post. You're clearly in group #5.