LG exec proclaims upcoming LG tablet "better than the iPad"

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  • Reply 121 of 195
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cincytee View Post


    From the WSJ article: Mr. Ma said he believes there is an opportunity for LG to catch up in the smartphone market. "The race hasn't started yet," he said.



    It's fair to assert the race isn't over, but not started? Really? The iPhone is how many years old? How many Android phones are out already? With insight like that, I'm glad I'm not an LG shareholder.



    In all fairness, when the iPhone was debuted in January 2007 to even after it was selling well it was stated that Apple was too late to be entering into the “well entrenched” smartphone market. While I would say that Mr. Ma’s hyperbole about it not starting yet shouldn’t be taken at face value I do agree that there is opportunity, especially if they plan to use Android as no vendor has used Android before. By that I mean is tweaking and optimizing Android to the HW like RiM, Apple and others have been doing with their own OS. There is no reason for LG and others to do what Apple did with BSD as a foundation for Mac OS X. I don’t think they have to disclose or share any code they’ve changed above the OS, so at the very least I think they have an opportunity to be the leaders of Android-based devices. Will they is another story, but the opportunity certainly seems present.
  • Reply 122 of 195
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post


    This is true for the current model of the iPad. But there's no reason why it will always remain this way. There's no reason why at some point in the future these devices will not need a "computer". Currently, the "computer" is used to activate (initialize), sync, and back up the device.



    Furthermore, it's not the dependency that people are talking about, when they say it is the future of computing, it's the experience they're referring to. The iPad does 99% of what most people need from a computer without all the complexities of today's systems. All Apple has to add is the ability to connect peripherals which would be a trivial addition for an OS that already supports it. A simple dock with USB ports on it would suffice. (The Camera Connection Kit already shows what is currently possible with a USB port.)



    A major issue with these devices is their storage sizes. There's no way anyone would be able to use one of these devices as their only computer until storage capacities go way up.



    This is the only true conceptual difference between iOS and Android. all iOS products are required to be extensions of your LAN and its hardware. while Android products of course are cloud centric and don't need other hardware. i don't want to get into the philosophical debate about which is "better" - suffice to say each approach has advantages and limitations.



    my question is whether Apple will cut this mandatory umbilical cord for its iOS products in the foreseeable future, including soon presumably a new iTV. what is that huge new NC server farm really intended to do?



    but of course Apple's business plan is about selling hardware, including Macs, not ads like Google. and iTunes is like a loss leader to sell Apple hardware too, not a big profit center. so it has a big reason to always keep iOS products dependent on OSX hardware.



    one thing consistent with this that Apple could do with its big server farm is give free MobileMe service to all Mac hardware buyers, with full remote sync/streaming for iOS devices with their linked Mac hardware, wherever it is.
  • Reply 123 of 195
    thomprthompr Posts: 1,516member
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    Originally Posted by Dunks View Post


    I disagree. It depends what you define as work. My partner's job is to review documents/PDFs and annotate them. For him an iPad is ideal for this purpose however he finds it frustrating that basic file management is significantly more difficult and requires alot of strategic planning to get files from one app to another. I finally understand why people keep saying apple should buy dropbox. Allowing certain applications to access and save to a shared database of documents/files would be a welcome addition to the os and need not introduce the complexity of a full featured finder.



    Dunks,



    I agree that file management, including getting documents onto and off of the iPad are a bit of a pain, but Apple doesn't need to buy another company to rectify that. They can implement a fix any moment they wish.



    Does anyone believe that the frustrating aspects of creating material on the iPad (especially with respect to file transfer) are either the result of (1) arbitrary choices by Apple, or (2) an inability to accomplish these feats? No, these are strategic decisions, and the reasons will pan out over time.



    Apple knows that ultimately, tablets are going to eat significantly into the laptop space, but they don't want this to happen overnight for fear that their Macbooks would suffer cannibalization. Since Macbooks are currently more profitable than an iPad, this is to be delayed until iPads sell so many freaking units that it just doesn't matter. Those of you who would point out that there has been no apparent cannibalization yet aren't getting my point. The point is that the iPad would, in fact, cannibalize Macbook in a significant way if it weren't for the gradual way that Apple is going about the transformation. But for the time being, a host computer is required for managing files & media that you want on your iPad. Just wait until the iPad reaches critical mass and then Apple removes the artificial chains that are currently on it. You won't believe how many iPads that Apple will sell then.



    Thompson
  • Reply 124 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    It is designed from the ground up to be convenient for the vast majority of users. You seem to think that Apple should change its whole design philosophy because of one specialized use that you alone do.



    Are you seriously suggesting that I alone am the only person that will receive attachments in emails such as Word docs, and Spreadsheets actually edit them and send them back to someone else? Or I am the only person that after writing a document actually does something with it like email it?



    I never realized that opening an attachment doing something other than look at a preview of it was so specialized.



    And seriously what is so hard about a file system? I agree Windows and OSX are not perfect but if you got rid of every file apart from the ones the user saves themselves what is so hard about that? The apps on the iPhone that I have let you create folders in them so you still have the same file/folder structure it's just limited to only letting you access files in the app that created them. OSX and Windows both by default have very obvious folders called Photo's, Documents, Music etc so people know where to put stuff and find it at a very basic level. What would be so wrong in replicating that?
  • Reply 125 of 195
    mactelmactel Posts: 1,275member
    Hmm, the iPad has been out for a few months and by the time they ship technology will have improved. I don't doubt they'll have some niffy new hardware but it is the software that will make the difference. They are putting Android on the tablet which is odd. Where's the Chrome OS? LG is just creating hype like everyone else and trying to be like Apple. RIMs pathetic press conference should not be repeated by any other Apple competitor unless they really have something mind-blowing.
  • Reply 126 of 195
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post


    OSX and Windows both by default have very obvious folders called Photo's, Documents, Music etc so people know where to put stuff and find it at a very basic level. What would be so wrong in replicating that?



    Apple has an application-centric method of working on your content. If you like the document-centric model, there are plenty of choices for you. But just about everybody think they are to confusing to use.
  • Reply 127 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    He never said that. He said that the iPad is the PRIMARY source of income for his business. I wonder what he used before, and how much more money he makes now that he has the productivity inherent in the iPad.



    What I wonder is how the use of one device is the your primary source of income.
  • Reply 128 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant;


    I'm sorry but this is a load of s&%!. Three things:



    First, you don't need any apps to import pics to your iPad - only the camera connection kit.



    Second, no editing ability? There are many apps available on the app store for light editing.



    Third, you don't have to copy and paste pictures to add to an email. You simply check them and hit the email button. As you can see, I have 5 pictures selected for this email. Not one at a time like you claim:







    App #1, the Photo app as that's what the pics are imported to.

    App #2, the editing app. I use Photogene, tried Adobe's.

    App #3, an app to enable moving imported pics into a whatever subject specific album I want. You cannot move an imported pic (or any pic for that matter) without going back to the momma machine. So you end up with all your images sorted by date or in imported photos. It's an organizational mess and certainly not conducive to a slideshow that would be of interest to anyone.



    As I said, I use it the majority of the time. But I take it seriously less and less. A good start and, I believe, at the cutting edge. But faced with the choice of either a laptop or the current iPad when traveling, it will be the Air in the future.



    You can create a new email. Read the post, you cannot reply. Emails, at least mine, are two way communications.
  • Reply 129 of 195
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post


    App #1, the Photo app as that's what the pics are imported to.

    App #2, the editing app. I use Photogene, tried Adobe's.

    App #3, an app to enable moving imported pics into a whatever subject specific album I want. You cannot move an imported pic (or any pic for that matter) without going back to the momma machine. So you end up with all your images sorted by date or in imported photos. It's an organizational mess and certainly not conducive to a slideshow that would be of interest to anyone.



    As I said, I use it the majority of the time. But I take it seriously less and less. A good start and, I believe, at the cutting edge. But faced with the choice of either a laptop or the current iPad when traveling, it will be the Air in the future.



    You can create a new email. Read the post, you cannot reply. Emails, at least mine, are two way communications.



    Are you blaming Apple because a 3rd-party app developer hasn’t included a way to email multiple images at once? I’m not aware of Apple preventing an app developer from allowing multiple images added to an email.
  • Reply 130 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    I don't think you understand what the iPad is all about. You might be happier with an MBP.



    Why do these haters focus on what the iPad WONT do, because it is NOT DESIGNED TO DO THAT, rather than on just about everything else, which the iPad is better at than anything else out there?



    I really am an Apple "hater". Between my business and my family I have undoubtedly purchased over 200 Apple computers since 1984. Not to mention a small fortune in accessories and other stuff.



    And what was it not designed to do, work with 3rd party routers? Or, for that matter, my own 3 antenna Airport Extreme. But it will work with my 2 antenna version at another house. That's not acceptable to those of us who expected it to do a bit more than play games and read books.



    Success is driven by improving what's not right. That's how progress works.
  • Reply 131 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism;


    Are you blaming Apple because a 3rd-party app developer hasn?t included a way to email multiple images at once?



    Not at all. The 3rd party app I use allows me to do this. What I'd like to see is the ability to respond to an email and attach a pic. I think that's rather basic stuff in an email app.



    And, I think Apple should open up the file system to 3rd party apps that are using files from within the Photo app. Not to mention give them sufficient memory to run well with the size pics the iPad imports from any halfway decent camera. And I suppose doubling the memory to the iPhone 4 size might also be nice.



    As a first step it's a huge jump over everyone else. I expect it will remain that way. My point is as a laptop replacement it has a long way to go and as a productivity device, it's a niche product with it's main focus being a couch potatoe's dream (as long as it will work with his router).
  • Reply 132 of 195
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post




    You can create a new email. Read the post, you cannot reply. Emails, at least mine, are two way communications.



    You are wrong yet again. The procedure is the same except you hit copy. I would select all 5 pictures, hit copy, and paste all 5 pics at once, not one at a time as you claim, into the replied to email. Good luck on your travels. Next time grab your tin foil hat to go along with your Air.
  • Reply 133 of 195
    jlanddjlandd Posts: 873member
    Optimus? Isn't that the cheezy Radio Shack brand that just sits there gathering dust in Radio Shacks?
  • Reply 134 of 195
    robogoborobogobo Posts: 378member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunks View Post


    I disagree. It depends what you define as work. My partner's job is to review documents/PDFs and annotate them. For him an iPad is ideal for this purpose however he finds it frustrating that basic file management is significantly more difficult and requires alot of strategic planning to get files from one app to another. I finally understand why people keep saying apple should buy dropbox. Allowing certain applications to access and save to a shared database of documents/files would be a welcome addition to the os and need not introduce the complexity of a full featured finder.



    Well, they have MobileMe and iDisk, but somehow they just haven't put them to good use for the iPad. That needs to happen asap.
  • Reply 135 of 195
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,709member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism;


    Wow, this thread seems to be an overblown semantic argument, or at least an argument over poorly defined terms.



    I?d say Apple has designed the iPad?s first iteration to be a satellite computing device. Not designed to be your only or main computing device (even though it?s possible to use it that way once you?ve activated it via iTunes, which can be done in an Apple Store).



    I?d also say that Apple expects the current iPad to be mostly a consumption device for the majority of users, even though it can easily be used to create as there are apps and specialized uses that focus on creation over consumption. Pedantically speaking it does have a virtual keyboard and can connect to physical keyboard which in itself is used for ?creation?.



    I don?t think any reasonable poster who has stated that it?s a consumption device is actually denying that it can be used for (or even primarily used byHUHme) for creation. I think they are saying that the main focus from Apple and the most likely use is consumption. I watched a show on HGTV that used a sponge to create textured walls, but I doubt anyone would argue that is its main use.



    Can we not agree that it?s designed to complement your main PC and be optimized for tasks that would tend to benefit a highly mobile , handheld device with a large* screen screen?





    * large screen for a mobile, handheld device.



    Not that I disagree but that may be an oversimplification. The ipad is presently a great complementary device, but not just to your pc. It can be complimentary to a 'system' which can put it in a corporate or business context as an input device. But I think it is it's obvious potential which sets some people alight. It's not here yet, but we all of a sudden have been given a view of what the future may look like and it's exciting.
  • Reply 136 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astrubhar View Post


    Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.



    Those of us cursed with long memories will recall the original Macintosh was dismissed in the same offhanded manner.



    The iPad is well on its way to redefining how work "gets done".
  • Reply 137 of 195
    doorman.doorman. Posts: 159member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astrubhar View Post


    *sigh*



    When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.



    I am getting a desktop, in such cases. (or better - getting to it )
  • Reply 138 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post


    Not at all. The 3rd party app I use allows me to do this. What I'd like to see is the ability to respond to an email and attach a pic. I think that's rather basic stuff in an email app.



    And, I think Apple should open up the file system to 3rd party apps that are using files from within the Photo app.



    Sorry but if you read through previous posts you will discover that we are both in a alternate universe where things like "sending an attachment" and "remembering what folder you put a file in" are normal, in this universe these are very advanced, specialist, niche activities that the average person will never use or be able to do. What happens in the real world is once you've got a photo it never leaves your device. If you receive an email with a photo you will never want to edit it or add it to a document let alone file it into some kind of category. And of course if you receive an email you may reply but you will never ever under any circumstance want to attach something.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Apple has an application-centric method of working on your content. If you like the document-centric model, there are plenty of choices for you. But just about everybody think they are to confusing to use.



    But the applications still have documents and a file system in them. It's just if you want to move one from one app to another you have to copy and paste it and thus duplicate the file. Another option if it really makes it easy to have your images and documents organized by application, why not make it possible to select the application you want to open the document from.



    At the moment it seems like lots of apps support mobile me's iDisk meaning the easiest way to get a your text doc from one app to another is via a web server, which is insane. How can the easiest way to get a document from one app on your phone to another app on your own phone be to save it to a server so the file needs to leave your iPhone/iPod/iPad sync to a server somewhere in the wold and then come back down to your phone again. It's insane, it's not simple, the whole world excluding a few minorities knows how to open a file in Windows and OSX, and those that don't save everything to the desktop. Go onto an iOS device though and you look at Mail and ask how do I attached something? Answer, unless you figure out how to copy and paste it you don't!



    </rant>
  • Reply 139 of 195
    Everyone needs to remember that this is version 1 of the iPad. Version 1 of the iPhone had limitations as well. All I can say is, just wait.
  • Reply 140 of 195
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    I never thought about that, but you have a good point. All they need is a waterproof and dustproof case, and the iPad will actually work!



    (...)



    I think that contractors and gardeners could make great use of the iPad! You could put a set of plans for a whole skyscraper on it!



    Have you ever seen the drawings for a skyscraper or other major commercial/industrial project?



    The iPad will need to be both abuse-hardened and capable of handling very large CAD documents before it's accepted into that market.

    It'll have to prove itself worthy before the industry springs for it.



    Better to start small with residential & multifamily etc., then scale into the Trump-sized projects.
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