There are 160 million iTunes users, and only 3 million of them have upgraded? Quite low considering Apple has decided to class this as a major release.
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days. Damn I'd love to have this kind of failure myself.
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days, I say that's massive.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social if they are going to censor and control what an artist can post. I can accept Apple will have growing pains but am surprised with all the social network ideas out there already that Apple comes up with something that is pretty weak IMO.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social
Censorship is not something I want to see Apple associated with, I agree. But let's just wait until we have a concrete proof that Apple censored artists posts (real one, not pseudo one), shall we?
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days. Damn I'd love to have this kind of failure myself.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
So in other words you think all people are geeks that have no better things to do than sit in front of computer all the time?
So in other words you think all people are geeks that have no better things to do than sit in front of computer all the time?
How would you know what I think? Have I told you what I think regarding calling people "geeks". No, I didn't think so.
Here is what I think. iTunes 10 provides next to no new features for most users, they will either take a long time to "upgrade", or won't do it at all.
That's Nice... but I still prefer the ZUNE Marketplace's social networking implementation better at this point, if for no other reason than Apple's iTunes Store model is not well set up to support the kind of true music sharing/socializing system that the ZUNE Marketplace currently utilizes.
That's the beauty of having such a well-implemented subscription service as the ZUNE Pass, something that would severely impact Apple's current - 'you buy'... 'you don't like'... 'Too Bad, We've Already Got Our Money' - iTunes paradigm/scheme.
Wow. You must be really low on TrollJuice? if you're bringing up Zune.
A sad day for those who try to argue against the stereotype of blind Apple fanboyism. Every second during which MobileMe or Ping remain online serves as further proof that Apple is not an internet company by any stretch of the imagination.
Who said Apple was an Internet company? Nice strawman there.
How would you know what I think? Have I told you what I think regarding calling people "geeks". No, I didn't think so.
Then how else would you explain your line of thinking that every persons who have iTunes accounts should make themselves available to download the latest version "and" sign up to Ping in the first couple of days otherwise you would hang the big sign of "FAIL" on it? since you seem to be the one who's hellbent on the total number of iTunes accounts.
That Ping PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration as DaHarder put it?
C'mon?!
It is al about choice, free will.
No, it's not that. Opinions (and choices) are different from facts. There sets of facts that some people from all sides have gotten wrong. What I'm saying is that there are several people here from all sides, I am including DaHarder, and including some of his detractors too, that should all try to get their facts right before forming an opinion about it, or using them in an argument.
That Ping is a response to Zune Social, we don't really know that, though I doubt it. If it is, Apple sure took their time (in comparison), but I don't think so because Zune wasn't exerting any market pressure on Apple. I haven't read about Zune being mentioned for a year. They made a splash with the HD, then after a while, it seemed no one cared, not about good or bad chatter, just no chatter at all. I've never seen one in the wild. The one person I knew that had any Zune at all bought an iPhone a couple years later. In a way, it is too bad, it looked like a nice device.
That's Nice... but I still prefer the ZUNE Marketplace's social networking implementation better at this point, if for no other reason than Apple's iTunes Store model is not well set up to support the kind of true music sharing/socializing system that the ZUNE Marketplace currently utilizes.
That's the beauty of having such a well-implemented subscription service as the ZUNE Pass, something that would severely impact Apple's current - 'you buy'... 'you don't like'... 'Too Bad, We've Already Got Our Money' - iTunes paradigm/scheme.
You really expected to be taken seriously with words like 'true music sharing/socialising system'? What's true? Why isn't Ping any more true?
And no DaHarder the iTunes scheme only works like that with you. It's 'You Preview, You Buy.' And if you don't like well then it's only A POUND, DOLLAR, EURO, YEN...
No, it's not that. Opinions (and choices) are different from facts. There sets of facts that some people from all sides have gotten wrong. What I'm saying is that there are several people here from all sides, I am including DaHarder, and including some of his detractors too, that should all try to get their facts right before forming an opinion about it, or using them in an argument.
That Ping is a response to Zune Social, we don't really know that, though I doubt it. If it is, Apple sure took their time (in comparison), but I don't think so because Zune wasn't exerting any market pressure on Apple. I haven't read about Zune being mentioned for a year. They made a splash with the HD, then after a while, it seemed no one cared, not about good or bad chatter, just no chatter at all. I've never seen one in the wild. The one person I knew that had any Zune at all bought an iPhone a couple years later. In a way, it is too bad, it looked like a nice device.
You did not understand what i wrote.
If we are discussing competition and innovation, which we are, bringing Zune and Bing as victims of Ping is pointless. Zune was created to catch up with iPod, which is a Microsoft's Right and of those who flag Microsoft's flag.
In the end who sell more and who sell less depends on the choice of the buyers.
That was my point, which renders the discussion pointless.
I think Mac OSX is superior to Windows 7, many people, if not the majority, think not. So Apple adding Ping to iTunes isn't in itself an acceptance that Microsoft was right in the first place?
Can that name be a recognition that Microsoft actually did well?
I think it was apparent that has been reluctant of such thing.
Well, it looks like not any more.
And if Microsoft bet is the reason for change, so what ( could be! )?
I do not see these two companies as enemies, but competitors, i just happen to favor , because Apple is tiny, creativity is the sole weapon for it to survive, and that it is treated unfavorably by the majority in the media.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
Posts like this serve to remind me , once again, that: ...... Figures lie and liars figure. \
Ok let's end this discussion now. I am far from an Apple lover but I don't agree with DaHarder on a majority of the things he posts but the pure Apple fan blindness being shown by Postulant and mplaisance is ridiculous.
1. Apple iTunes (where most Apple users get songs) can only be accessed on iOS devices. You can't access the store ANYWHERE ELSE without a laptop or desktop.
2. Zune Pass can only be accessed with a Zune or WIN7 Phone (unless you have a laptop or desktop). Also you can download ten songs (free of DRM, MP3 format) to move into iTunes and sync. Also since Rhapsody has an iOS app there could be a Zune Pass app for iOS devices in the making. It just isn't available yet.
3. Apple copies ideas just like every other business. Zune has a social network and now Apple has Ping. Microsoft has Xbox live (coming to Win7 Phones) and now Apple has Game Center. To say Apple doesn't copy is having total Apple tunnel vision.
And finally mplaisance, I just don't understand how you can't wrap your head around the fact that some companies use EXCLUSIVE content to sell their hardware. Will I be able to stream Apple TV rented content to any device that isn't iOS based? No. Why should Microsoft allow their subscription music (rented) to stream over any device?
And again Microsoft may just in fact be in the process of making a Zune app for iOS. I am tired of seeing blind favorism and these tired comments where most around here don't seem to have an open mind. Zune Pass will work for some just like buying individual tracks through iTunes or Amazon works for others. Open your damn minds people and show some inclination of intelligence.
Ok let's end this discussion now. I am far from an Apple lover but I don't agree with DaHarder on a majority of the things he posts but the pure Apple fan blindness being shown by Postulant and mplaisance is ridiculous.
1. Apple iTunes (where most Apple users get songs) can only be accessed on iOS devices. You can't access the store ANYWHERE ELSE without a laptop or desktop.
2. Zune Pass can only be accessed with a Zune or WIN7 Phone (unless you have a laptop or desktop). Also you can download ten songs (free of DRM, MP3 format) to move into iTunes and sync. Also since Rhapsody has an iOS app there could be a Zune Pass app for iOS devices in the making. It just isn't available yet.
One more thing to add...
iTunes can be accessed using desktops or laptops using either Windows or Mac OS X operating systems. Zune Pass can only be accessed using computers with Windows.
Then how else would you explain your line of thinking that every persons who have iTunes accounts should make themselves available to download the latest version "and" sign up to Ping in the first couple of days otherwise you would hang the big sign of "FAIL" on it? since you seem to be the one who's hellbent on the total number of iTunes accounts.
The large press conference that Apple just put on announing the product and the service, touting how wonderful it is.
I haven't claimed it has failed, I think you will find that it is you that is throwing around the word "fail". All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users.
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There are 160 million iTunes users, and only 3 million of them have upgraded? Quite low considering Apple has decided to class this as a major release.
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days. Damn I'd love to have this kind of failure myself.
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days, I say that's massive.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social if they are going to censor and control what an artist can post. I can accept Apple will have growing pains but am surprised with all the social network ideas out there already that Apple comes up with something that is pretty weak IMO.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social
Censorship is not something I want to see Apple associated with, I agree. But let's just wait until we have a concrete proof that Apple censored artists posts (real one, not pseudo one), shall we?
How long since it's been out? 3 million downloads and a million people signed on in a couple of days. Damn I'd love to have this kind of failure myself.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
So in other words you think all people are geeks that have no better things to do than sit in front of computer all the time?
So in other words you think all people are geeks that have no better things to do than sit in front of computer all the time?
How would you know what I think? Have I told you what I think regarding calling people "geeks". No, I didn't think so.
Here is what I think. iTunes 10 provides next to no new features for most users, they will either take a long time to "upgrade", or won't do it at all.
That's Nice... but I still prefer the ZUNE Marketplace's social networking implementation better at this point, if for no other reason than Apple's iTunes Store model is not well set up to support the kind of true music sharing/socializing system that the ZUNE Marketplace currently utilizes.
That's the beauty of having such a well-implemented subscription service as the ZUNE Pass, something that would severely impact Apple's current - 'you buy'... 'you don't like'... 'Too Bad, We've Already Got Our Money' - iTunes paradigm/scheme.
Wow. You must be really low on TrollJuice? if you're bringing up Zune.
A sad day for those who try to argue against the stereotype of blind Apple fanboyism. Every second during which MobileMe or Ping remain online serves as further proof that Apple is not an internet company by any stretch of the imagination.
Who said Apple was an Internet company?
How would you know what I think? Have I told you what I think regarding calling people "geeks". No, I didn't think so.
Then how else would you explain your line of thinking that every persons who have iTunes accounts should make themselves available to download the latest version "and" sign up to Ping in the first couple of days otherwise you would hang the big sign of "FAIL" on it? since you seem to be the one who's hellbent on the total number of iTunes accounts.
That Ping PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration as DaHarder put it?
C'mon?!
It is al about choice, free will.
No, it's not that. Opinions (and choices) are different from facts. There sets of facts that some people from all sides have gotten wrong. What I'm saying is that there are several people here from all sides, I am including DaHarder, and including some of his detractors too, that should all try to get their facts right before forming an opinion about it, or using them in an argument.
That Ping is a response to Zune Social, we don't really know that, though I doubt it. If it is, Apple sure took their time (in comparison), but I don't think so because Zune wasn't exerting any market pressure on Apple. I haven't read about Zune being mentioned for a year. They made a splash with the HD, then after a while, it seemed no one cared, not about good or bad chatter, just no chatter at all. I've never seen one in the wild. The one person I knew that had any Zune at all bought an iPhone a couple years later. In a way, it is too bad, it looked like a nice device.
,,,and the viagra?
And now i'm following you. Muhahahahah!!!
That's Nice... but I still prefer the ZUNE Marketplace's social networking implementation better at this point, if for no other reason than Apple's iTunes Store model is not well set up to support the kind of true music sharing/socializing system that the ZUNE Marketplace currently utilizes.
That's the beauty of having such a well-implemented subscription service as the ZUNE Pass, something that would severely impact Apple's current - 'you buy'... 'you don't like'... 'Too Bad, We've Already Got Our Money' - iTunes paradigm/scheme.
You really expected to be taken seriously with words like 'true music sharing/socialising system'? What's true? Why isn't Ping any more true?
And no DaHarder the iTunes scheme only works like that with you. It's 'You Preview, You Buy.' And if you don't like well then it's only A POUND, DOLLAR, EURO, YEN...
No, it's not that. Opinions (and choices) are different from facts. There sets of facts that some people from all sides have gotten wrong. What I'm saying is that there are several people here from all sides, I am including DaHarder, and including some of his detractors too, that should all try to get their facts right before forming an opinion about it, or using them in an argument.
That Ping is a response to Zune Social, we don't really know that, though I doubt it. If it is, Apple sure took their time (in comparison), but I don't think so because Zune wasn't exerting any market pressure on Apple. I haven't read about Zune being mentioned for a year. They made a splash with the HD, then after a while, it seemed no one cared, not about good or bad chatter, just no chatter at all. I've never seen one in the wild. The one person I knew that had any Zune at all bought an iPhone a couple years later. In a way, it is too bad, it looked like a nice device.
You did not understand what i wrote.
If we are discussing competition and innovation, which we are, bringing Zune and Bing as victims of Ping is pointless. Zune was created to catch up with iPod, which is a Microsoft's Right and of those who flag Microsoft's flag.
In the end who sell more and who sell less depends on the choice of the buyers.
That was my point, which renders the discussion pointless.
I think Mac OSX is superior to Windows 7, many people, if not the majority, think not. So Apple adding Ping to iTunes isn't in itself an acceptance that Microsoft was right in the first place?
Can that name be a recognition that Microsoft actually did well?
I think it was apparent that has been reluctant of such thing.
Well, it looks like not any more.
And if Microsoft bet is the reason for change, so what ( could be! )?
I do not see these two companies as enemies, but competitors, i just happen to favor , because Apple is tiny, creativity is the sole weapon for it to survive, and that it is treated unfavorably by the majority in the media.
1.8% of all users downloaded it (and remember, there are more iTunes users than there are iTunes accounts, so the true download rate is less than 1.8%)
0.6% signed into new service.
Sure if you say the raw number you may be impressed, but in the grand scheme of things, then it must not take much to impress you.
Posts like this serve to remind me , once again, that: ...... Figures lie and liars figure.
@ DaHarder, Postulant, and mplaisance
Ok let's end this discussion now. I am far from an Apple lover but I don't agree with DaHarder on a majority of the things he posts but the pure Apple fan blindness being shown by Postulant and mplaisance is ridiculous.
1. Apple iTunes (where most Apple users get songs) can only be accessed on iOS devices. You can't access the store ANYWHERE ELSE without a laptop or desktop.
2. Zune Pass can only be accessed with a Zune or WIN7 Phone (unless you have a laptop or desktop). Also you can download ten songs (free of DRM, MP3 format) to move into iTunes and sync. Also since Rhapsody has an iOS app there could be a Zune Pass app for iOS devices in the making. It just isn't available yet.
3. Apple copies ideas just like every other business. Zune has a social network and now Apple has Ping. Microsoft has Xbox live (coming to Win7 Phones) and now Apple has Game Center. To say Apple doesn't copy is having total Apple tunnel vision.
And finally mplaisance, I just don't understand how you can't wrap your head around the fact that some companies use EXCLUSIVE content to sell their hardware. Will I be able to stream Apple TV rented content to any device that isn't iOS based? No. Why should Microsoft allow their subscription music (rented) to stream over any device?
And again Microsoft may just in fact be in the process of making a Zune app for iOS. I am tired of seeing blind favorism and these tired comments where most around here don't seem to have an open mind. Zune Pass will work for some just like buying individual tracks through iTunes or Amazon works for others. Open your damn minds people and show some inclination of intelligence.
At last someone with some common sense!
@ DaHarder, Postulant, and mplaisance
Ok let's end this discussion now. I am far from an Apple lover but I don't agree with DaHarder on a majority of the things he posts but the pure Apple fan blindness being shown by Postulant and mplaisance is ridiculous.
1. Apple iTunes (where most Apple users get songs) can only be accessed on iOS devices. You can't access the store ANYWHERE ELSE without a laptop or desktop.
2. Zune Pass can only be accessed with a Zune or WIN7 Phone (unless you have a laptop or desktop). Also you can download ten songs (free of DRM, MP3 format) to move into iTunes and sync. Also since Rhapsody has an iOS app there could be a Zune Pass app for iOS devices in the making. It just isn't available yet.
One more thing to add...
iTunes can be accessed using desktops or laptops using either Windows or Mac OS X operating systems. Zune Pass can only be accessed using computers with Windows.
Who said Apple was an Internet company?
Apple has been trying to pretend to be, and has done nothing but embarrass themselves in the process. That's all.
Apple has been trying to pretend to be, and has done nothing but embarrass themselves in the process. That's all.
Care to explain? The only internet services they provide are their own web site, which is great and mobileme, which is great.
How is that 'pretending to be' an internet company?
Then how else would you explain your line of thinking that every persons who have iTunes accounts should make themselves available to download the latest version "and" sign up to Ping in the first couple of days otherwise you would hang the big sign of "FAIL" on it? since you seem to be the one who's hellbent on the total number of iTunes accounts.
The large press conference that Apple just put on announing the product and the service, touting how wonderful it is.
I haven't claimed it has failed, I think you will find that it is you that is throwing around the word "fail". All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users.