Those are mature industries. Consumer electronics is not.
And besides, are you really ignoring the innovations in cars since 1983 or so? They are night and day compared to 1980's cars.
To my mind, the innovation in autos has just begun. I drive a hybrid now and it's pretty amazing. But there's a far wider spread between computers of 1983 and today vs. cars of the same time line. Computers have become smaller, faster, cheaper and more energy efficient over time. To a degree that shames the auto industry.
"Mature" in the way you used it just refers to management that have not pushed very hard in regards to innovation and quality. Or perhaps they stopped focusing on world-class engineering and sought to improve the bottom line at all costs.
Mature or not, had Steve Jobs been at the helm of, say, GM, we'd be driving much different cars than we do today. It's that pesky Visionary thing that Jobs possesses.
"Mature" in the way you used it just refers to management that have not pushed very hard in regards to innovation and quality. Or perhaps they stopped focusing on world-class engineering and sought to improve the bottom line at all costs.
I recall ?mature? being the primary and initial argument used by posters like Newtron after the iPhone and iPad were announced. How was Apple, a PC company, going to come in and figure it out? Three years later they have 40% of the total profits from all handsets worldwide.
Steve started NeXT and Pixar with money out of his own wallet. If steve had given too much to charity in the late 70s and early 80s: Steve might not be at apple now and pixar would have never existed.
So don't blame him too much for not giving billions to charity. He'll probably do something worthwhile with the money anyway.
Ross Perot (another billionaire when it wasn't so fashionable) was also a major investor in NeXT. Whatever happened to that guy? Ross also helped Bill Clinton get into office.
"Notorious" is generally an unfavorable term. I think most people think Jobs not taking a salary as a positive characteristic. He certainly could take one if he wanted.
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Jobs is notorious for his $1 salary as CEO of Apple, although he routinely receives
There would be one model per year with two different trunk sizes, it wouldn?t have passenger seats for the first year, it would be milled from a solid piece of aluminium, it would look small yet be more roomy than their competitors, and it could only be driven on specific roads?
LOL... yeah, good point. Mirroring Jobs' growth over the years, Apple's autos would, until recently, have left the assembly line with one pedal. If you pushed it, you'd accelerate. To brake, you'd have to hold down a button on the dash while pushing the pedal.
Apple would eventually offer models with two pedals, but they wouldn't be mechanical. Just a smooth surface and intelligent sensors for your feet to work with.
Revolutionary new compact models would outsell all the competition and create a new standard. But they wouldn't have a high beam Flash feature, so pundits would be predicting gloom and doom.
Why does there have to be a goal? If I sell something to you you are going to pay me for it. That is all that happened here. Jobs sold Pixar to Disney and it paid him in stock. As the largest single person stock holder of Disney, it is understandable Jobs would have a seat on the Board to keep track of his investment. Since his fortune is largely in Disney stock, he wants to Disney to become more valuable. That is the goal.
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I?m still trying to figure out Jobs longterm goal with the Disney stock and board seat? Is ti really just an in with content for Apple HW. If it?s that simple then Jobs cares very much about Apple in ways I?ve never seen a CEO want his company to succeed.
Does he think Disney?s stock will explode and it will skyrocket him to the top? I don?t think that?s likely or his goal. like the Mac to all other PCs and iPhone to all other handsets, Jobs seems to be playing a very different game than everyone else he?s compared with.
There would be one model per year with two different trunk sizes, it wouldn?t have passenger seats for the first year, it would be milled from a solid piece of aluminium, it would look small yet be more roomy than their competitors, and it could only be driven on specific roads?
I?m still trying to figure out Jobs longterm goal with the Disney stock and board seat? Is ti really just an in with content for Apple HW. If it?s that simple then Jobs cares very much about Apple in ways I?ve never seen a CEO want his company to succeed.
Does he think Disney?s stock will explode and it will skyrocket him to the top? I don?t think that?s likely or his goal. like the Mac to all other PCs and iPhone to all other handsets, Jobs seems to be playing a very different game than everyone else he?s compared with.
C'mon Soli I'm sure you've heard of dividends and owning 7% of Disney must pay some great dividends along with all the Apple shares he owns. Why sell when you have a lifelong source of income like that?
LOL... yeah, good point. Mirroring Jobs' growth over the years, Apple's autos would, until recently, have left the assembly line with one pedal. If you pushed it, you'd accelerate. To brake, you'd have to hold down a button on the dash while pushing the pedal.
Apple would eventually offer models with two pedals, but they wouldn't be mechanical. Just a smooth surface and intelligent sensors for your feet to work with.
Revolutionary new compact models would outsell all the competition and create a new standard. But they wouldn't have a high beam Flash feature, so pundits would be predicting gloom and doom.
Actually, I read about a new idea in gas and break pedals that was pretty interesting. It?s our natural instinct to push down when we need to break, so having the gas pedal on top of the brake pedal, but controlled via a sideway motion of the foot would prevent undue acceleration. I?ll see if can find a link to it.
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Why does there have to be a goal? If I sell something to you you are going to pay me for it. That is all that happened here. Jobs sold Pixar to Disney and it paid him in stock. As the largest single person stock holder of Disney, it is understandable Jobs would have a seat on the Board to keep track of his investment. Since his fortune is largely in Disney stock, he wants to Disney to become more valuable. That is the goal.
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C'mon Soli I'm sure you've heard of dividends and owning 7% of Disney must pay some great dividends along with all the Apple shares he owns. Why sell when you have a lifelong source of income like that?
That is my point, desanman69. He was getting paid well from Pixar (or could have if he wanted) so I doubt the dividends and Disney stock in and of themselves were his reasons for the board seat. I think it?s deeper. Yes, TBell, I think there has to be a goal. I can?t imagine that kind of sale with that kind of result not having a big picture attached to it. I think there is a long term game that Jobs is playing that goes far beyond the need for the Disney umbrella, which includes ABC. Maybe it?s not related to Apple at all, maybe he just believes in Disney to make Pixar even greater thus making his stock value even higher. Maybe his vision on this matter is that simple and limited.
I like that Apple is close to #1 in the US corporate world and their leader is only 42nd wealthiest. It says something about Mr Jobs and something else about Mr Gates, about their priorities.
Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. Bill Gates has given away close to 30 billion dollars. His worth would be close to 85 Billion compared to his 54 billion if he didn't donate so much of his money through his foundation.
It depends on what you want to buy. That 4 Billion dollar private island in the Bahamas would be out of Steve's reach, unless he is able to get richer. His friends probably make his wealth look like nothing. Some people feel inadequate no matter how much they have.
I'm pretty sure even private islands don't cost that much. The US is the richest country, and he is in the top 50. If something is priced out of his reach they are not serious about selling it in the first place.
That is my point, desanman69. He was getting paid well from Pixar (or could have if he wanted) so I doubt the dividends and Disney stock in and of themselves were his reasons for the board seat. I think it?s deeper. Yes, TBell, I think there has to be a goal. I can?t imagine that kind of sale with that kind of result not having a big picture attached to it. I think there is a long term game that Jobs is playing that goes far beyond the need for the Disney umbrella, which includes ABC. Maybe it?s not related to Apple at all, maybe he just believes in Disney to make Pixar even greater thus making his stock value even higher. Maybe his vision on this matter is that simple and limited.
Owning that much stock is exactly why he has a seat. If you or I owned that much Disney stock we'd have as seat on the BoD as well. We might have much say in how the company is run but we'd be privy to information. Shoot if I can have a man with the insight and ideas of SJ on my BoD I'd do it in a heartbeat. BTW my board consists of me and my 4 yr old son lol.
It depends on what you want to buy. That 4 Billion dollar private island in the Bahamas would be out of Steve's reach, unless he is able to get richer. His friends probably make his wealth look like nothing. Some people feel inadequate no matter how much they have.
If you have $6.1 billion dollars, you can afford to spend $4 billion on an island if you want. I'm pretty sure you can live comfortably on the remaining $2.1 billion. You just can't buy 2 $4 billion islands.
Fact: Bare Tranquilititties is not the name of any strip club or other such establishment that could use that name. I just looked it up as that is how I first read your post.
If you have $6.1 billion dollars, you can afford to spend $4 billion on an island if you want. I'm pretty sure you can live comfortably on the remaining $2.1 billion. You just can't buy 2 $4 billion islands.
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Those are mature industries. Consumer electronics is not.
And besides, are you really ignoring the innovations in cars since 1983 or so? They are night and day compared to 1980's cars.
To my mind, the innovation in autos has just begun. I drive a hybrid now and it's pretty amazing. But there's a far wider spread between computers of 1983 and today vs. cars of the same time line. Computers have become smaller, faster, cheaper and more energy efficient over time. To a degree that shames the auto industry.
"Mature" in the way you used it just refers to management that have not pushed very hard in regards to innovation and quality. Or perhaps they stopped focusing on world-class engineering and sought to improve the bottom line at all costs.
Mature or not, had Steve Jobs been at the helm of, say, GM, we'd be driving much different cars than we do today. It's that pesky Visionary thing that Jobs possesses.
"Mature" in the way you used it just refers to management that have not pushed very hard in regards to innovation and quality. Or perhaps they stopped focusing on world-class engineering and sought to improve the bottom line at all costs.
I recall ?mature? being the primary and initial argument used by posters like Newtron after the iPhone and iPad were announced. How was Apple, a PC company, going to come in and figure it out? Three years later they have 40% of the total profits from all handsets worldwide.
Steve started NeXT and Pixar with money out of his own wallet. If steve had given too much to charity in the late 70s and early 80s: Steve might not be at apple now and pixar would have never existed.
So don't blame him too much for not giving billions to charity. He'll probably do something worthwhile with the money anyway.
Ross Perot (another billionaire when it wasn't so fashionable) was also a major investor in NeXT. Whatever happened to that guy? Ross also helped Bill Clinton get into office.
Jobs is notorious for his $1 salary as CEO of Apple, although he routinely receives
There would be one model per year with two different trunk sizes, it wouldn?t have passenger seats for the first year, it would be milled from a solid piece of aluminium, it would look small yet be more roomy than their competitors, and it could only be driven on specific roads?
LOL... yeah, good point. Mirroring Jobs' growth over the years, Apple's autos would, until recently, have left the assembly line with one pedal. If you pushed it, you'd accelerate. To brake, you'd have to hold down a button on the dash while pushing the pedal.
Apple would eventually offer models with two pedals, but they wouldn't be mechanical. Just a smooth surface and intelligent sensors for your feet to work with.
Revolutionary new compact models would outsell all the competition and create a new standard. But they wouldn't have a high beam Flash feature, so pundits would be predicting gloom and doom.
I?m still trying to figure out Jobs longterm goal with the Disney stock and board seat? Is ti really just an in with content for Apple HW. If it?s that simple then Jobs cares very much about Apple in ways I?ve never seen a CEO want his company to succeed.
Does he think Disney?s stock will explode and it will skyrocket him to the top? I don?t think that?s likely or his goal. like the Mac to all other PCs and iPhone to all other handsets, Jobs seems to be playing a very different game than everyone else he?s compared with.
There would be one model per year with two different trunk sizes, it wouldn?t have passenger seats for the first year, it would be milled from a solid piece of aluminium, it would look small yet be more roomy than their competitors, and it could only be driven on specific roads?
I?m still trying to figure out Jobs longterm goal with the Disney stock and board seat? Is ti really just an in with content for Apple HW. If it?s that simple then Jobs cares very much about Apple in ways I?ve never seen a CEO want his company to succeed.
Does he think Disney?s stock will explode and it will skyrocket him to the top? I don?t think that?s likely or his goal. like the Mac to all other PCs and iPhone to all other handsets, Jobs seems to be playing a very different game than everyone else he?s compared with.
C'mon Soli I'm sure you've heard of dividends and owning 7% of Disney must pay some great dividends along with all the Apple shares he owns. Why sell when you have a lifelong source of income like that?
LOL... yeah, good point. Mirroring Jobs' growth over the years, Apple's autos would, until recently, have left the assembly line with one pedal. If you pushed it, you'd accelerate. To brake, you'd have to hold down a button on the dash while pushing the pedal.
Apple would eventually offer models with two pedals, but they wouldn't be mechanical. Just a smooth surface and intelligent sensors for your feet to work with.
Revolutionary new compact models would outsell all the competition and create a new standard. But they wouldn't have a high beam Flash feature, so pundits would be predicting gloom and doom.
Actually, I read about a new idea in gas and break pedals that was pretty interesting. It?s our natural instinct to push down when we need to break, so having the gas pedal on top of the brake pedal, but controlled via a sideway motion of the foot would prevent undue acceleration. I?ll see if can find a link to it.
Why does there have to be a goal? If I sell something to you you are going to pay me for it. That is all that happened here. Jobs sold Pixar to Disney and it paid him in stock. As the largest single person stock holder of Disney, it is understandable Jobs would have a seat on the Board to keep track of his investment. Since his fortune is largely in Disney stock, he wants to Disney to become more valuable. That is the goal.
C'mon Soli I'm sure you've heard of dividends and owning 7% of Disney must pay some great dividends along with all the Apple shares he owns. Why sell when you have a lifelong source of income like that?
That is my point, desanman69. He was getting paid well from Pixar (or could have if he wanted) so I doubt the dividends and Disney stock in and of themselves were his reasons for the board seat. I think it?s deeper. Yes, TBell, I think there has to be a goal. I can?t imagine that kind of sale with that kind of result not having a big picture attached to it. I think there is a long term game that Jobs is playing that goes far beyond the need for the Disney umbrella, which includes ABC. Maybe it?s not related to Apple at all, maybe he just believes in Disney to make Pixar even greater thus making his stock value even higher. Maybe his vision on this matter is that simple and limited.
I like that Apple is close to #1 in the US corporate world and their leader is only 42nd wealthiest. It says something about Mr Jobs and something else about Mr Gates, about their priorities.
Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. Bill Gates has given away close to 30 billion dollars. His worth would be close to 85 Billion compared to his 54 billion if he didn't donate so much of his money through his foundation.
Some people feel inadequate no matter how much they have.
Heed the voice of experience, everyone.
Oh, right, almost forgot...
It depends on what you want to buy. That 4 Billion dollar private island in the Bahamas would be out of Steve's reach, unless he is able to get richer. His friends probably make his wealth look like nothing. Some people feel inadequate no matter how much they have.
I'm pretty sure even private islands don't cost that much. The US is the richest country, and he is in the top 50. If something is priced out of his reach they are not serious about selling it in the first place.
That is my point, desanman69. He was getting paid well from Pixar (or could have if he wanted) so I doubt the dividends and Disney stock in and of themselves were his reasons for the board seat. I think it?s deeper. Yes, TBell, I think there has to be a goal. I can?t imagine that kind of sale with that kind of result not having a big picture attached to it. I think there is a long term game that Jobs is playing that goes far beyond the need for the Disney umbrella, which includes ABC. Maybe it?s not related to Apple at all, maybe he just believes in Disney to make Pixar even greater thus making his stock value even higher. Maybe his vision on this matter is that simple and limited.
Owning that much stock is exactly why he has a seat. If you or I owned that much Disney stock we'd have as seat on the BoD as well. We might have much say in how the company is run but we'd be privy to information. Shoot if I can have a man with the insight and ideas of SJ on my BoD I'd do it in a heartbeat. BTW my board consists of me and my 4 yr old son lol.
It depends on what you want to buy. That 4 Billion dollar private island in the Bahamas would be out of Steve's reach, unless he is able to get richer. His friends probably make his wealth look like nothing. Some people feel inadequate no matter how much they have.
If you have $6.1 billion dollars, you can afford to spend $4 billion on an island if you want. I'm pretty sure you can live comfortably on the remaining $2.1 billion. You just can't buy 2 $4 billion islands.
Fact: Bare Tranquilititties is not the name of any strip club or other such establishment that could use that name. I just looked it up as that is how I first read your post.
Had a good glass of wine, did you sol.
Jobs is notorious for his $1 salary as CEO of Apple
Notorious? Really?
Had a good glass of wine, did you sol.
LOL I typed the first thing that came to mine before my morning coffee could invoke my thoughts-to-words filter.
If you have $6.1 billion dollars, you can afford to spend $4 billion on an island if you want. I'm pretty sure you can live comfortably on the remaining $2.1 billion. You just can't buy 2 $4 billion islands.
Sure you can, ever hear of a loan?
LOL Typing the first thing that came to mine before my morning coffee could invoke my thoughts-to-words filter.
BTW Soli I know how many bowling balls were sold to people who also purchased tissue paper.