Nope, not even close... Apple was never in the position to unseat beige PCs sitting in a corporate environment with the Mac. Windows was always good enough for businesses.
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
You know that whole thing about there being no stupid questions? It's not true.
Oh call me stupid instead. I know who won this exchange
Google provided an open-source platform that any vendor can pick up and sell it to any number of providers. Apple on the other hand maintains a proprietary iOS for a particular set of hardware than runs on one provider. However, if Apple were able to break into the Verizon market that gap would become quite a bit large IMO -- if Verizon can provide a decent subsidy that is. Which I think is a pretty big reason why iPhone is not on Verizon.
I have a Droid and iPhone (for development) Here is how I see it:
1) If you are a techno geek, you will probably prefer Android. The Rooting ( Same as jailbreaking ) comunity is huge and you can find an hack for just about anything you are looking for....
2) #1 is often necessary because of Google's tendency to release things before they are fully baked. These bug are often serious and take forever to work their way into a new release. For example, the New Froyo (2.2) android update broke the ability for the phone to connect to most infrastructure Wifi systems. It also caused a very annoying distortion to any streaming Audio using the AAC+ codex ( like Pandroa on 3G ). Neither of these bug have been fixed and it will be several months before a new major release... Thank god the rooting comunity have provided some work arounds...
3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.
4) I have been developing an app for both platforms and I really cannot see a hugh advantage of one over the other from a technical point of view. The enviroment for the iPhone is a little easier to use, but the when you hit a wall you are ususally stuck. With android there is usually a way around the wall. The review process is a lot easier on Android (obviously)
5) Syncing video with the Android phones sux.... No other way to put it... You can do anything you like, but it is often a multi step process and you need to understand a lot of subtile video settings...
6) I think Music is a push on the two phones. You can add/delete music and play lists with simple drag and drop on android. You have to use iTunes with the iPhone and quite franky, iTunes is not Apple's best work... ( Just try to point iTunes to a music library on a network drive drive and the "determining gapless playback" stuff will drive you nuts.... )
7) The quality of Video and photos is about even ( on the higher end Androind phones )...
8) Google navigation and Maps on Android is sweet... I know you can do most things on the iPhone, but the integration is better on Android...
9) Android wins voice commands hand down. I am often amazed and how well it works...
10) Until Android broke the infrastructure Wifi I would have given the IT edge to Android, but not now. I would say it is a slight edge for the iPhone right now....
11) Non of this will probably not matter much longer. Verizon is on a mission to kill Androind with locked down phones and putting too much VCrapware on the phones. So far two models are locked down to not allow any of the sweet Google features ( You have to root the phone to use them ) . If anything one thing can stop Andoid, it will be Verizon.....
That is just my opinion based on playing with the devices...
Thank you - Thank you - Thank you
I very much appreciate your honest approach to 'reality'.
The fan-boi's here who hi-jacked the site & trash everyone who thinks Apple isn't 100% perfect 100% of the time - labeling them as trolls n such - have really degraded the integrity of AI.
Your unbiased posts are what people want to read.
just be ready for the ad-hom attack that always ensues when someone says something good about the competition...
Nope, not even close... Apple was never in the position to unseat beige PCs sitting in a corporate environment with the Mac. Windows was always good enough for businesses.
I was referring to Apple II's running VisiCalc, that got unseated by the PC.
The point is, today wouldn't be the first time Apple lost a dominant market position to a "good enough" competitor. YES, everyone knows what Apple's box-and-OS formula is, and I'm not going to get into cloning. BUT when you have a leading position that appears threatened, you should be very interested in defending it, and NOT allowing yourself to become a niche player (again).
Unless of course Steve sees smartphones as already passé, hence a real reason for the iPad.
Oh call me stupid instead. I know who won this exchange
Well, technically, I called your question stupid, and it is. Why are you asking me why they did what they did. Why don't you ask them. They might actually, you know, have the answer.
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.
Apple's survival is not in question. But we're talking about a market Apple could have dominated.
Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?
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Originally Posted by Ireland
In Europe the average person has never heard of Android.
In Ireland maybe, but not in the UK. The BBC in its tech news is always flagging up the availability of Apps - so both the iPhone and the Android are mentioned a lot. All the mobile stores really push Android (seeing as they can sell all the iPhones they can get without trying too hard).
You'd have to be rather technophobic not to get the picture that here (1) the iPhone is still king (2) but Apple does have real competition from Android variants (3) those once popular Blackberry emailers are on the wane.
The thead is suppose to be about Android closing the gap with the Apple iPhone. So clearly I can read just fine. My point is the fanboys needs to stay on topic becasue they bitch when others go off topic.
Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?
Look at the smartphones out there. They're all iPhones. They look the same and act the same. Some of them just go by the name Droid and are on a better network (here in the US, that is).
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Surprise surprise
Some Android apps caught covertly sending GPS data to advertisers
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...dvertisers.ars
What does that have to do with this thread?
Kinda like the desktop from a generation ago....
Nope, not even close... Apple was never in the position to unseat beige PCs sitting in a corporate environment with the Mac. Windows was always good enough for businesses.
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
You know that whole thing about there being no stupid questions? It's not true.
Oh call me stupid instead. I know who won this exchange
I have a Droid and iPhone (for development) Here is how I see it:
1) If you are a techno geek, you will probably prefer Android. The Rooting ( Same as jailbreaking ) comunity is huge and you can find an hack for just about anything you are looking for....
2) #1 is often necessary because of Google's tendency to release things before they are fully baked. These bug are often serious and take forever to work their way into a new release. For example, the New Froyo (2.2) android update broke the ability for the phone to connect to most infrastructure Wifi systems. It also caused a very annoying distortion to any streaming Audio using the AAC+ codex ( like Pandroa on 3G ). Neither of these bug have been fixed and it will be several months before a new major release... Thank god the rooting comunity have provided some work arounds...
3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.
4) I have been developing an app for both platforms and I really cannot see a hugh advantage of one over the other from a technical point of view. The enviroment for the iPhone is a little easier to use, but the when you hit a wall you are ususally stuck. With android there is usually a way around the wall. The review process is a lot easier on Android (obviously)
5) Syncing video with the Android phones sux.... No other way to put it... You can do anything you like, but it is often a multi step process and you need to understand a lot of subtile video settings...
6) I think Music is a push on the two phones. You can add/delete music and play lists with simple drag and drop on android. You have to use iTunes with the iPhone and quite franky, iTunes is not Apple's best work... ( Just try to point iTunes to a music library on a network drive drive and the "determining gapless playback" stuff will drive you nuts.... )
7) The quality of Video and photos is about even ( on the higher end Androind phones )...
8) Google navigation and Maps on Android is sweet... I know you can do most things on the iPhone, but the integration is better on Android...
9) Android wins voice commands hand down. I am often amazed and how well it works...
10) Until Android broke the infrastructure Wifi I would have given the IT edge to Android, but not now. I would say it is a slight edge for the iPhone right now....
11) Non of this will probably not matter much longer. Verizon is on a mission to kill Androind with locked down phones and putting too much VCrapware on the phones. So far two models are locked down to not allow any of the sweet Google features ( You have to root the phone to use them ) . If anything one thing can stop Andoid, it will be Verizon.....
That is just my opinion based on playing with the devices...
Thank you - Thank you - Thank you
I very much appreciate your honest approach to 'reality'.
The fan-boi's here who hi-jacked the site & trash everyone who thinks Apple isn't 100% perfect 100% of the time - labeling them as trolls n such - have really degraded the integrity of AI.
Your unbiased posts are what people want to read.
just be ready for the ad-hom attack that always ensues when someone says something good about the competition...
cheers
Nope, not even close... Apple was never in the position to unseat beige PCs sitting in a corporate environment with the Mac. Windows was always good enough for businesses.
I was referring to Apple II's running VisiCalc, that got unseated by the PC.
The point is, today wouldn't be the first time Apple lost a dominant market position to a "good enough" competitor. YES, everyone knows what Apple's box-and-OS formula is, and I'm not going to get into cloning. BUT when you have a leading position that appears threatened, you should be very interested in defending it, and NOT allowing yourself to become a niche player (again).
Unless of course Steve sees smartphones as already passé, hence a real reason for the iPad.
Oh call me stupid instead. I know who won this exchange
Well, technically, I called your question stupid, and it is. Why are you asking me why they did what they did. Why don't you ask them. They might actually, you know, have the answer.
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.
What does that have to do with this thread?
Have you been reading this thread?
Apple's survival is not in question. But we're talking about a market Apple could have dominated.
Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?
In Europe the average person has never heard of Android.
You'd have to be rather technophobic not to get the picture that here (1) the iPhone is still king (2) but Apple does have real competition from Android variants (3) those once popular Blackberry emailers are on the wane.
Have you been reading this thread?
The thead is suppose to be about Android closing the gap with the Apple iPhone. So clearly I can read just fine. My point is the fanboys needs to stay on topic becasue they bitch when others go off topic.
Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?
Look at the smartphones out there. They're all iPhones. They look the same and act the same. Some of them just go by the name Droid and are on a better network (here in the US, that is).
You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.
Well said. Having wife working at local Uni (and some insights at how they write & publish papers), all I can say to your comment is: Bravo!
You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.
Well, hopefully you just missed my sarcasm.
3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.
4.1 turned my 3G into a worthless pile of delays. It made the phone practically unusable.
I am sorry, but I just had to ask this point blank,,,
I have to ask.... Does anyone really think that the iPhone is not going to continue to be a huge success???
I am sorry, but I just had to ask this point blank,,,
The iPhone will continue to be a success and so will Android.
4.1 turned my 3G into a worthless pile of delays. It made the phone practically unusable.
That was 4.0, fixed in 4.1, which you would know, if it had actually happened to you.