At least until developers are forced to take a hard look at overcrowding on the App Store versus fragmentation on Android.
The internet has millions of websites .... does that keep people off the net? Quality app developers will go where the "foot traffic" goes. I can only see the overall quality of the app store getting better and better .... just like the web experience of the last several years.
Developers don't have to worry about multitasking. The OS take care of everything.
Almost true -- except you have to save state differently (different callback) when an app is suspended.
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Developers can compile their apps to run on any version they want, including iPhone OS 3.0. Apple made it real easy for developers to identify the device and features. A good developer won't have any problem in that area.
Good points -- the toughest recent changes have been for iAd and and media player(s) -- there weren't any good examples and some commonly used functions were deprecated which broke applications.
But, once you understand the new SDK it is quite easy to support back iOS versions.
It's all coming together nicely with the iOS 4.2 beta.
Since when are Americans the whole bloody world? World-wide, Apple's at best (considering the latest info) 5th in terms of profit and 65th in terms of revenue. A good "Job" all-in-all, but let's not exaggerate.
Actually developers do have to worry about how to incorporate the iOS4 multitasking features such as alarm notification and sound control, etc. The IOS takes care of it, but there is a new methods to deal with it. Any code you compile that deals with the newer multitasking features will not work on 3.2 or smaller, so it behooves to developer to test on iPhone4, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G, iPhone (perhaps), and iPad.
Yes this is true and a point i should have clarified. Developers can currently compile to 3.2 (current iPad), but multi-tasking features are not currently allowed on 3.2 devices, among other things like game kit, iAd, etc. so again, you have to use all these devices to test and make sure it all works, which i believe was the original posters point.
Multitasking either works or not depending on the device and iOS version. When it comes to multitasking developers don't have to worry about the device.
Good programmers always test their apps against all possible configurations. With iOS developers have to worry about this once a year but with Android developers have to worry about it with every new Android phone.
A: Jobs: We've designed everything from batteries to enclosures, and we've learned a lot from our prior experience. We know how to design and build in an efficient way. Others will have to source components from middlemen, while we design our own and build them directly.
Good programmers always test their apps against all possible configurations. With iOS developers have to worry about this once a year but with Android developers have to worry about it with every new Android phone.
Couldn't agree more. The issues of OEM's taking the android OS and doing their own proprietary "thing" with it will also create trouble for developers, and perhaps will hurt the Android system in the long term.
All the separate app stores will create unnecessary confusion. That decision will bite Google in the future.
"Jobs then quipped that small form-factor tablets will need to ship with sandpaper so users can file down their fingers to the point where they can hit smaller targets on the screen. Elements can only get so small before users can't perform these types of touch and pinch gestures, Jobs insisted."
I had that problem with my iPod touch and quit using it after a month or so. Seems like a weird thing for Jobs to say.
I think it was pretty clear that the analogy is about tablets. When you bought the touch, did you think you were buying a 'small tablet'?
They should aim to make a product with it that generates as much profit as Apple's products, don't you think?
The A4 is actually the S5 with reduced complexity and price. The S5 basically had a bunch of shit that Apple didn't need.
I guess Samsung could copy what Apple did, but I think that leaves them open to lawsuits. I'm not sure what privileges Samsung has with the A4.
Samsung put a cortex-A8 in their galaxy S phone which sold 5 million units. It's a great chip in a great phone. The downside with the galaxy S, however, is Samsung went with a bad file system (not one of the best ones to use in Linux) so you'll see lag every once in a while, especially when pulling up information. People have already figured out a fix, but this is one of those situations where most people won't get on their computer and research this and do what's necessary.
Either way, it's looking like Samsung WILL be giving us some decent stuff in the future.
Almost true -- except you have to save state differently (different callback) when an app is suspended.
It depends on what the app need to do in the background. Xcode cannot read developers minds. The developer have to tell the app what to do when it goes to the back ground and what to do when the app becomes active. However, if there are no special background processes then the developer don't have anything to worry about it since iOS it self implement the save state feature (AKA fast app switching).
Multitasking and background processes are device independent. Meaning they work exactly the same on all device and the developer don't have to worry about different devices. They either work or don't.
Developers don't have to worry about multitasking. The OS take care of everything.
Developers can compile their apps to run on any version they want, including iPhone OS 3.0. Apple made it real easy for developers to identify the device and features. A good developer won't have any problem in that area.
Right on. Too bad we have some many a-holes hear professing to be experts.
Over and over again during the call today, Steve emphasized Apple's ability to deliver a better product at a lower price. In the computer world, there's clearly a perceived premium to buying an Mac versus a PC. However, two things seem important to Steve:
1. Apple isn't in this same position with iPhone and iPad as it is with Mac.
2. He wants to stay out in front of any perceived 'Apple Tax' on these products.
As iPod showed, when you dominate the supply chain and design, manufacture, and develop a consumer electronic product - you control the costs in ways others cannot.
Missing from the call - any mention of the 'Halo effect'. I suppose it's just too obvious at this point. Clearly - the halo is big and bright.
His comments are even more applicable to a 3.2 inch screen than a 7 inch screen. That is the point he wishes people would overlook.
No, the iPhone/Touch do what they are supposed to do on the given screen size. A tablet display can't just arbitrarily be put on a too small screen and have the same functionality and usability as a larger tablet. This is why there are very few universal iOS apps, and it will probably stay that way for quite awhile. The different size devices need different sized UIs and those who don' get that have a number of places they can try to get employment for about the next 18 months before the form factor mistakes bleed the wrong manufacturers dry.
That would require some pretty good batteries in those 'wireless' headphones. You're probably right though. Especially for running. That's where a watch-music-player would totally excel.
For portable music players a watch with good wireless headphones makes a tonne of sense. The headphones is where the innovation needs to happen though, not the nano itself. They need to have serious battery life, and they need to be tiny. And just as important it needs to be no "extra" hassle to charge the headphones.
Why o Why would S. Jobs have to show up for the conference call?
Perhaps because he's genuinely excited and surprised at Apple's success. Jobs is very much a "do the best you can and be the best and you'll do well" kind of person. He pours himself into Apple's products and expects the same from Apple's employees. I'm sure he expects success, but the level of success Apple has had is amazing and overwhelming.
Steve also still shows genuine amazement at where technology has come. This is the guy who helped assemble Apple Is in a garage by hand. And now they are the second most valuable company in the world!?
He may not be a Woz-level engineer, but he is a real tech-fanboy.
"International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE: IBM) said Monday that its third-quarter net income improved to $3.6 billion, or $2.82 a share, from $3.2 billion, or $2.40 a share, in the year-ago period. Excluding non-operating pension charges and acquisition-related charges, operating net earnings would have been $3.63 billion or $2.85 per share for the quarter.Revenue grew 3% to $24.3 billion. "
Apple had higher net income, but lower quarterly revenue. Apple almost bigger than IBM? Who'd have thunk it in the 80s or 90s?
OK - I knew about all of these except for the battery chemistry. Does anyone know where I can find out more about this? I had assumed Apple was getting custom form factor batteries, but was surprised to hear they're customizing the chemistry.
That would require some pretty good batteries in those 'wireless' headphones. You're probably right though. Especially for running. That's where a watch-music-player would totally excel. Perhaps that will be Apple's feature-phone?
Scrap BT and go with Kleer Technology. Better sound. Better battery performance.
"Jobs then quipped that small form-factor tablets will need to ship with sandpaper so users can file down their fingers to the point where they can hit smaller targets on the screen. Elements can only get so small before users can't perform these types of touch and pinch gestures, Jobs insisted."
I had that problem with my iPod touch and quit using it after a month or so. Seems like a weird thing for Jobs to say.
He means for tablet-style apps. I was thinking the same thing, though.
I'm sick of saying this already, but everyone is just not noticing how senseless his remarks are. Jobs is saying 7" tablets are not viable because they are too small to have a good UI, but the iPhone is smaller and has a good UI. It's just not a sensible argument.
Yes it is a sensible argument!
If you have designed an app for the small iPhone screen it will scale up 2x on the iPad screen. Most apps look ugly -- bigger but ugly, with a lot of wasted space! The controls are too big, the text is too big -- lots of jaggies because no anti-aliasing.
There are exceptions, but you usually have to rethink an app when you move it to the iPad.
The mail app is a good example:
On the iPhone, it's a single column table (scrollable list) with a drill-down:
Mailboxes-->mail summary-->mail detail (the email message)
On the iPad, it's a two tables (side-by-side scrollable lists) with a drill down on the left list
Mailboxes-->mail summary left column or popup (portrait)
mail detail (the email message) right column or underlay (portrait)
The controls and text are about 30-50% larger than on the smaller screen.
If you started with the larger format and scale it down to 45% of the original-- it could easily be less usable than the iPhone.
Samsung, on their Galaxy Tab appears to have provided all the basic "system apps" (mail, calendar, contacts, browser, etc.) where this might be a factor. What they appear to have done is something between the iPhone and iPad -- something specifically scaled to the 7" format.
This, at least, looks OK. Any other Android tablets that do not provide their own "system apps" will have them disproportionate to the size of the screen.
Perhaps because he's genuinely excited and surprised at Apple's success. Jobs is very much a "do the best you can and be the best and you'll do well" kind of person. He pours himself into Apple's products and expects the same from Apple's employees. I'm sure he expects success, but the level of success Apple has had is amazing and overwhelming.
Steve also still shows genuine amazement at where technology has come. This is the guy who helped assemble Apple Is in a garage by hand. And now they are the second most valuable company in the world!?
He may not be a Woz-level engineer, but he is a real tech-fanboy.
"International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE: IBM) said Monday that its third-quarter net income improved to $3.6 billion, or $2.82 a share, from $3.2 billion, or $2.40 a share, in the year-ago period. Excluding non-operating pension charges and acquisition-related charges, operating net earnings would have been $3.63 billion or $2.85 per share for the quarter.Revenue grew 3% to $24.3 billion. "
Apple had higher net income, but lower quarterly revenue. Apple almost bigger than IBM? Who'd have thunk it in the 80s or 90s?
IBM ditched trying to sell crappy Windows on PCs just in time to save their real core business. I wonder what Dell's fall back plan is?
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At least until developers are forced to take a hard look at overcrowding on the App Store versus fragmentation on Android.
The internet has millions of websites .... does that keep people off the net? Quality app developers will go where the "foot traffic" goes. I can only see the overall quality of the app store getting better and better .... just like the web experience of the last several years.
Developers don't have to worry about multitasking. The OS take care of everything.
Almost true -- except you have to save state differently (different callback) when an app is suspended.
Developers can compile their apps to run on any version they want, including iPhone OS 3.0. Apple made it real easy for developers to identify the device and features. A good developer won't have any problem in that area.
Good points -- the toughest recent changes have been for iAd and and media player(s) -- there weren't any good examples and some commonly used functions were deprecated which broke applications.
But, once you understand the new SDK it is quite easy to support back iOS versions.
It's all coming together nicely with the iOS 4.2 beta.
.
Since when are Americans the whole bloody world? World-wide, Apple's at best (considering the latest info) 5th in terms of profit and 65th in terms of revenue. A good "Job" all-in-all, but let's not exaggerate.
2nd in terms of market cap!
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Actually developers do have to worry about how to incorporate the iOS4 multitasking features such as alarm notification and sound control, etc. The IOS takes care of it, but there is a new methods to deal with it. Any code you compile that deals with the newer multitasking features will not work on 3.2 or smaller, so it behooves to developer to test on iPhone4, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G, iPhone (perhaps), and iPad.
Yes this is true and a point i should have clarified. Developers can currently compile to 3.2 (current iPad), but multi-tasking features are not currently allowed on 3.2 devices, among other things like game kit, iAd, etc. so again, you have to use all these devices to test and make sure it all works, which i believe was the original posters point.
Multitasking either works or not depending on the device and iOS version. When it comes to multitasking developers don't have to worry about the device.
Good programmers always test their apps against all possible configurations. With iOS developers have to worry about this once a year but with Android developers have to worry about it with every new Android phone.
Q: Where is your primary advantage in tablets?
A: Jobs: We've designed everything from batteries to enclosures, and we've learned a lot from our prior experience. We know how to design and build in an efficient way. Others will have to source components from middlemen, while we design our own and build them directly.
- End of call
Brilliant!!!
Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.
You have to be kidding. This coming from one of the most bitchers in this forum.
Good programmers always test their apps against all possible configurations. With iOS developers have to worry about this once a year but with Android developers have to worry about it with every new Android phone.
Couldn't agree more. The issues of OEM's taking the android OS and doing their own proprietary "thing" with it will also create trouble for developers, and perhaps will hurt the Android system in the long term.
All the separate app stores will create unnecessary confusion. That decision will bite Google in the future.
"Jobs then quipped that small form-factor tablets will need to ship with sandpaper so users can file down their fingers to the point where they can hit smaller targets on the screen. Elements can only get so small before users can't perform these types of touch and pinch gestures, Jobs insisted."
I had that problem with my iPod touch and quit using it after a month or so. Seems like a weird thing for Jobs to say.
I think it was pretty clear that the analogy is about tablets. When you bought the touch, did you think you were buying a 'small tablet'?
They should aim to make a product with it that generates as much profit as Apple's products, don't you think?
The A4 is actually the S5 with reduced complexity and price. The S5 basically had a bunch of shit that Apple didn't need.
I guess Samsung could copy what Apple did, but I think that leaves them open to lawsuits. I'm not sure what privileges Samsung has with the A4.
Samsung put a cortex-A8 in their galaxy S phone which sold 5 million units. It's a great chip in a great phone. The downside with the galaxy S, however, is Samsung went with a bad file system (not one of the best ones to use in Linux) so you'll see lag every once in a while, especially when pulling up information. People have already figured out a fix, but this is one of those situations where most people won't get on their computer and research this and do what's necessary.
Either way, it's looking like Samsung WILL be giving us some decent stuff in the future.
Almost true -- except you have to save state differently (different callback) when an app is suspended.
It depends on what the app need to do in the background. Xcode cannot read developers minds. The developer have to tell the app what to do when it goes to the back ground and what to do when the app becomes active. However, if there are no special background processes then the developer don't have anything to worry about it since iOS it self implement the save state feature (AKA fast app switching).
Multitasking and background processes are device independent. Meaning they work exactly the same on all device and the developer don't have to worry about different devices. They either work or don't.
Developers don't have to worry about multitasking. The OS take care of everything.
Developers can compile their apps to run on any version they want, including iPhone OS 3.0. Apple made it real easy for developers to identify the device and features. A good developer won't have any problem in that area.
Right on. Too bad we have some many a-holes hear professing to be experts.
Over and over again during the call today, Steve emphasized Apple's ability to deliver a better product at a lower price. In the computer world, there's clearly a perceived premium to buying an Mac versus a PC. However, two things seem important to Steve:
1. Apple isn't in this same position with iPhone and iPad as it is with Mac.
2. He wants to stay out in front of any perceived 'Apple Tax' on these products.
As iPod showed, when you dominate the supply chain and design, manufacture, and develop a consumer electronic product - you control the costs in ways others cannot.
Missing from the call - any mention of the 'Halo effect'. I suppose it's just too obvious at this point. Clearly - the halo is big and bright.
steve stood up for all US small guys
go steve !!!
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His comments are even more applicable to a 3.2 inch screen than a 7 inch screen. That is the point he wishes people would overlook.
No, the iPhone/Touch do what they are supposed to do on the given screen size. A tablet display can't just arbitrarily be put on a too small screen and have the same functionality and usability as a larger tablet. This is why there are very few universal iOS apps, and it will probably stay that way for quite awhile. The different size devices need different sized UIs and those who don' get that have a number of places they can try to get employment for about the next 18 months before the form factor mistakes bleed the wrong manufacturers dry.
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That would require some pretty good batteries in those 'wireless' headphones. You're probably right though. Especially for running. That's where a watch-music-player would totally excel.
For portable music players a watch with good wireless headphones makes a tonne of sense. The headphones is where the innovation needs to happen though, not the nano itself. They need to have serious battery life, and they need to be tiny. And just as important it needs to be no "extra" hassle to charge the headphones.
Why o Why would S. Jobs have to show up for the conference call?
Perhaps because he's genuinely excited and surprised at Apple's success. Jobs is very much a "do the best you can and be the best and you'll do well" kind of person. He pours himself into Apple's products and expects the same from Apple's employees. I'm sure he expects success, but the level of success Apple has had is amazing and overwhelming.
Steve also still shows genuine amazement at where technology has come. This is the guy who helped assemble Apple Is in a garage by hand. And now they are the second most valuable company in the world!?
He may not be a Woz-level engineer, but he is a real tech-fanboy.
- Jasen.
P.S. IBM also reported earnings http://newsystocks.com/news/3752175
"International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE: IBM) said Monday that its third-quarter net income improved to $3.6 billion, or $2.82 a share, from $3.2 billion, or $2.40 a share, in the year-ago period. Excluding non-operating pension charges and acquisition-related charges, operating net earnings would have been $3.63 billion or $2.85 per share for the quarter.Revenue grew 3% to $24.3 billion. "
Apple had higher net income, but lower quarterly revenue. Apple almost bigger than IBM? Who'd have thunk it in the 80s or 90s?
OK - I knew about all of these except for the battery chemistry. Does anyone know where I can find out more about this? I had assumed Apple was getting custom form factor batteries, but was surprised to hear they're customizing the chemistry.
Nearly two years old.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06mbp.html
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/battery/
That would require some pretty good batteries in those 'wireless' headphones. You're probably right though. Especially for running. That's where a watch-music-player would totally excel. Perhaps that will be Apple's feature-phone?
Scrap BT and go with Kleer Technology. Better sound. Better battery performance.
"Jobs then quipped that small form-factor tablets will need to ship with sandpaper so users can file down their fingers to the point where they can hit smaller targets on the screen. Elements can only get so small before users can't perform these types of touch and pinch gestures, Jobs insisted."
I had that problem with my iPod touch and quit using it after a month or so. Seems like a weird thing for Jobs to say.
He means for tablet-style apps. I was thinking the same thing, though.
I'm sick of saying this already, but everyone is just not noticing how senseless his remarks are. Jobs is saying 7" tablets are not viable because they are too small to have a good UI, but the iPhone is smaller and has a good UI. It's just not a sensible argument.
Yes it is a sensible argument!
If you have designed an app for the small iPhone screen it will scale up 2x on the iPad screen. Most apps look ugly -- bigger but ugly, with a lot of wasted space! The controls are too big, the text is too big -- lots of jaggies because no anti-aliasing.
There are exceptions, but you usually have to rethink an app when you move it to the iPad.
The mail app is a good example:
On the iPhone, it's a single column table (scrollable list) with a drill-down:
Mailboxes-->mail summary-->mail detail (the email message)
On the iPad, it's a two tables (side-by-side scrollable lists) with a drill down on the left list
Mailboxes-->mail summary left column or popup (portrait)
mail detail (the email message) right column or underlay (portrait)
The controls and text are about 30-50% larger than on the smaller screen.
If you started with the larger format and scale it down to 45% of the original-- it could easily be less usable than the iPhone.
Samsung, on their Galaxy Tab appears to have provided all the basic "system apps" (mail, calendar, contacts, browser, etc.) where this might be a factor. What they appear to have done is something between the iPhone and iPad -- something specifically scaled to the 7" format.
This, at least, looks OK. Any other Android tablets that do not provide their own "system apps" will have them disproportionate to the size of the screen.
.
Perhaps because he's genuinely excited and surprised at Apple's success. Jobs is very much a "do the best you can and be the best and you'll do well" kind of person. He pours himself into Apple's products and expects the same from Apple's employees. I'm sure he expects success, but the level of success Apple has had is amazing and overwhelming.
Steve also still shows genuine amazement at where technology has come. This is the guy who helped assemble Apple Is in a garage by hand. And now they are the second most valuable company in the world!?
He may not be a Woz-level engineer, but he is a real tech-fanboy.
- Jasen.
P.S. IBM also reported earnings http://newsystocks.com/news/3752175
"International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE: IBM) said Monday that its third-quarter net income improved to $3.6 billion, or $2.82 a share, from $3.2 billion, or $2.40 a share, in the year-ago period. Excluding non-operating pension charges and acquisition-related charges, operating net earnings would have been $3.63 billion or $2.85 per share for the quarter.Revenue grew 3% to $24.3 billion. "
Apple had higher net income, but lower quarterly revenue. Apple almost bigger than IBM? Who'd have thunk it in the 80s or 90s?
IBM ditched trying to sell crappy Windows on PCs just in time to save their real core business. I wonder what Dell's fall back plan is?