Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men"
Anyone read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060392452/qid=1017576338/ref=sr_11_0_1/103-9401297-7586263" target="_blank">this book?</a> The Blue Meanie read an extract in one of the British papers yesterday and was officially impressed. The paper claimed the book had "enraged America". Is this true?
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<strong>The paper claimed the book had "enraged America". Is this true?</strong><hr></blockquote>It's true. I'm just sitting here, in America, and one can just feel the rage.
<strong>It's true. I'm just sitting here, in America, and one can just feel the rage.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Stupid White Men, Michael Moore's screed against "Thief-in-Chief" George Bush's power elite, hit No. 1 at Amazon.com within days of publication. Why? It's as fulminating and crammed with infuriating facts as any right-wing bestseller, as irreverent as The Onion, and as noisily entertaining as a wrestling smackdown. Moore offers a more interesting critique of the 2000 election than Ralph Nader's Crashing the Party (he argued with Nader, his old boss, who sacked him), and he's serious when he advocates ousting Bush. But Moore's rage is outrageous, couched in shameless gags and madcap comedy: "Old white men wielding martinis and wearing dickies have occupied our nation's capital.... Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring us the head of Antonin Scalia!... We are no longer [able] to hold free and fair elections. We need U.N. observers, U.N. troops." Moore's ideas range from on-the-money (Arafat should beat Sharon with Gandhi's nonviolent shame tactics) to over-the-top: blacks should put inflatable white dolls in their cars so racist cops will think they're chauffeurs; the ever-more-Republicanesque Democratic Party should be sued for fraud; "no contributions toward advancing our civilization ever came out of the South [except Faulkner, Hellman, and R.J. Reynolds]," because it's too hot to think straight there; Korean dictator Kim Jong-il "has got to broaden himself beyond porn and John Wayne" by watching better movies, like Dude, Where's My Car? (which contains "all you need to know about America"). Whatever your politics, Stupid White Men should make you blow your stack. --Tim Appelo <hr></blockquote>
Moore had very important things to say at one time, if you have watched/read "Downsize This!" or "Roger and Me" or "The Big One" then you'll see Moore at his best, when he stuck more to ideas than to partisan bullshit.
Hindsight shows us that he has been this way all along with only Clinton's presidency holding him back from where he is now, but at least those days left us with the comfortable illusion that it was about ideas, not trite politicking.
Where were the constant jabs at Clinton, wasn't he a corporate shill or did his political affiliation make him immune to that like the black who cannot possibly be racist?
Half of this book is 7-10 years too late for his witty satire. Rodney King's beating happened 10 years ago, Mike, get with the times. If you want to read good Michael Moore, stick with one of the things I listed above.
Yeah, I'm enraged. Can you feel it?
There are token swipes at Democrats, but it's really quite pathetic how transparent he is.
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The Chapter "Democrats, DOA" is basically about how the Democratic party is the savior vehicle mismanaged while Republicans are just evil. He is blinded by his partisan ways and people who dislike both parties genuinely (like me) will be turned off by his intellectual dishonesty.
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Independent my fat white ass.
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There are two leftists that have been honest about Clinton that I've encountered: Bill Hicks and Noam Chomsky.
Find "The Clinton Vision"... very accurate.
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"The Republicans are too right-wing because..."
"The Democrats are liberal tree huggin'...."
Please. Couldn't we, at least, try to get something intelligent accomplished?
Where were the constant jabs at Clinton
I dont know, I remember hearing a lot of jabs at Clinton on M. Moores TV show.
Michael Moore is a self-made man from a poor working-class background who has made it on account of his own initiative, chutzpah and convictions. This is in stark contrast to Bush Jr, a man from a mega-wealthy background, a silver-spoon brat who has never had to lift a finger for himself, has 3 criminal convictions, whose ventures in business have been abject failures, who lied about his military record etc. (He also swipes at Clinton with equal energy; after all they are two of a kind and more 'Reaganesque' policies were invoked during the 8 Clinton years than during Reagans 2 terms). Oi veh!
If there was anyone who embodies the American spirit, Michael Moore deserves that description. His opposite number on the right Rush Limbaugh is in a similar vein, someone who has sold his political convictions to the public with great success. However, Rush is/has been the darling of the U.S. media, with syndicated network radio and TV shows here there and everywhere. In contrast, Moore's TV show "The Awful Truth" managed a limited run on a late night slot on "Bravo" (whazzat??), and now he cannot even get an interview with the supposedly "liberal" National Public Radio (definitely showing their true colors there).
I subscribe to Mr Moore's occasional online journal. The hostility he has encountered on his sell-out booksigning tour from police, media and even his *own publishers* has been absolutely staggering. Unbelievable. There seems to be one standard for the establishment viewpoint, and another standard for the counterpoint view. When it comes to voicing a nationally available political opinion, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, provided it is within the confines and parameters of what is acceptable to Big Brother corporate. Even for America's current #1 author, because he is running afoul of the rules. Ralph Nader was up against the same brickwall during the presidential 'election' and 'debates'. His book "Crashing the Party", which I read last week is a dry, intellectual and factual read, in stark contrast to Michael Moore's humor-oriented delivery, and illustrates that US-style democracy of today is virtually a lost cause, and how the voice of 'we-the-people' is perpetually hijacked or drowned by wholesale corporate bribery.
<strong>Let me guess, you're his publicist! That's a lot of butt kissing for one post. Did you use chap stick?</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, but did you read pscates' paean to O'Reilly in that other thread?
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<strong>Yes, I read "Stupid White Men" last week. It is hilarious in places and has been #1 on Amazon.com and New York Times best seller lists for several weeks now.
Michael Moore is a self-made man from a poor working-class background who has made it on account of his own initiative, chutzpah and convictions. This is in stark contrast to Bush Jr, a man from a mega-wealthy background, a silver-spoon brat who has never had to lift a finger for himself, has 3 criminal convictions, whose ventures in business have been abject failures, who lied about his military record etc. (He also swipes at Clinton with equal energy; after all they are two of a kind and more 'Reaganesque' policies were invoked during the 8 Clinton years than during Reagans 2 terms). Oi veh!
If there was anyone who embodies the American spirit, Michael Moore deserves that description. His opposite number on the right Rush Limbaugh is in a similar vein, someone who has sold his political convictions to the public with great success. However, Rush is/has been the darling of the U.S. media, with syndicated network radio and TV shows here there and everywhere. In contrast, Moore's TV show "The Awful Truth" managed a limited run on a late night slot on "Bravo" (whazzat??), and now he cannot even get an interview with the supposedly "liberal" National Public Radio (definitely showing their true colors there).
I subscribe to Mr Moore's occasional online journal. The hostility he has encountered on his sell-out booksigning tour from police, media and even his *own publishers* has been absolutely staggering. Unbelievable. There seems to be one standard for the establishment viewpoint, and another standard for the counterpoint view. When it comes to voicing a nationally available political opinion, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, provided it is within the confines and parameters of what is acceptable to Big Brother corporate. Even for America's current #1 author, because he is running afoul of the rules. Ralph Nader was up against the same brickwall during the presidential 'election' and 'debates'. His book "Crashing the Party", which I read last week is a dry, intellectual and factual read, in stark contrast to Michael Moore's humor-oriented delivery, and illustrates that US-style democracy of today is virtually a lost cause, and how the voice of 'we-the-people' is perpetually hijacked or drowned by wholesale corporate bribery.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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<strong>Maybe he recieved hostility because people hate morons that don't know they're morons.
Oooh, intelligent response - not!
<strong>Why? I've already read the book.
There are token swipes at Democrats, but it's really quite pathetic how transparent he is.
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The Chapter "Democrats, DOA" is basically about how the Democratic party is the savior vehicle mismanaged while Republicans are just evil. He is blinded by his partisan ways and people who dislike both parties genuinely (like me) will be turned off by his intellectual dishonesty.
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Groverat me old chum, you may not agree with the party politics, but what about all stuff about the status of black people in US society and the ongoing legacy of slavery? I don't know how obvious all that was to a person of your undoubted intelligence (
[quote] I don't know what it is, but every time I see a white guy walking towards me, I tense up. My heart starts racing, and I immediately begin to look for an escape route and a means to defend myself. I kick myself for even being in this part of town after dark. Didn't I notice the suspicious gangs of white people lurking on every street corner, drinking Starbucks and wearing their gang colours of Gap turquoise or J Crew mauve? What an idiot! Now the white person is coming closer, closer - and then - whew! He walks by without harming me, and I breathe a sigh of relief.<hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Moore had very important things to say at one time, if you have watched/read "Downsize This!" or "Roger and Me" or "The Big One" then you'll see Moore at his best, when he stuck more to ideas than to partisan bullshit.
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Yep. "Roger & Me" was pretty good, but he's a Leftist stooge these days.