And thank God we did - the only thing that's stupid is "Standard Time" - wtf is the point in having it bright at 6AM in the morning when over half the nation doesn't even have to be ato work until 8 or 9? There has been study after study after study that killing afternoon sunlight has a profound effect on depression so why in the world have we not made DST standard time? You're giving up an hour of worthless sunlight for an hour of sunlight that actually has a profound effect. The only thing stupid about it is the fact that we revert back to standard time just as we need it most!
Assigning time-zones is, in itself, an artificial manipulation of time so that's little more than a pot and kettle argument.
Time zones may be an artificial construct, but they are one born from practicality. DST shares none of that. Furthermore, before DST, time zones were consistent. Now we are randomly changing the time periods within some time zones (but not all!) based on arbitrary and superficial arguments from whoever can convince whom to change things around on an apparent whim - much like the latest change that caused this problem.
Time zones and the problems of DST aren't the same at all...
Apple don't acknowledge bugs, no matter how small and stupid they are.
Yep, it is annoying all right. We have had that bug for ages in NZ. I have to use my BB for morning wake ups, which sucks. I don't like using that thing more than absolutely necessary.
Yeah, it was supposed to "save energy" (which, ironically, would potentially drive up the unit costs paid to energy producers). In reality it had no net effect on energy usage except to waste billions of IT dollars in 2007 as everyone tried to recode applications and hardware for the change from the first Sunday in April/last Sunday in October to the second Sunday in March/first Sunday in November.
If they are going to monkey will this stuff, they ought to do what they did in WW2 which was to just make the DST apply year round, once and for all.
BTW, in the US Daylight Savings Time goes back to "Standard Time" (i.e. normal, non-shifted time) on the first Sunday in November: next weekend. Europe jumped the gun.
But your point is well taken, "Fall Back" means you'd get an extra hour of sleep.
BTW, after implementing DST, Europe hasn't changed it, the US did (so we're just behind ... again ). I remember having to install patches on Windows Mobile devices when this happened a few years back. What a pain ... DST is one of the most moronic, annoying ideas to ever get approved.
BTW, after implementing DST, Europe hasn't changed it, the US did (so we're just behind ... again ). I remember having to install patches on Windows Mobile devices when this happened a few years back. What a pain ... DST is one of the most moronic, annoying ideas to ever get approved.
Then tell your government to get rid of DST. I'm sure they'll sympathize with your distaste for applying patches once every decade or more.
Yeah, it was supposed to "save energy" (which, ironically, would potentially drive up the unit costs paid to energy producers). In reality it had no net effect on energy usage except to waste billions of IT dollars in 2007 as everyone tried to recode applications and hardware for the change from the first Sunday in April/last Sunday in October to the second Sunday in March/first Sunday in November.
If they are going to monkey will this stuff, they ought to do what they did in WW2 which was to just make the DST apply year round, once and for all.
If it cost "billions of IT dollars" in 2007 to move the expiration of N. American DST by one week in 2007 then all of those IT departments should be fired for incompetence.
How can anybody be an hour late? Since on sunday morning the clock was set back from 3 A.M. to 2 A.M. the alarm should go off an hour early if it did not adjust!
Yeah, that confused me too. Its as if they tried to fix it but over-did it.
That may not be as daft a suggestion as you think it is. Setting your alarm differently - ie so that it's NOT a repeating alarm seems to get around the problem.
My alarm was set for 7am, repeating every weekday, but it failed to go off until 8am. On Sunday, however, my alarm went off at 9am as it should. The only difference (apart from the time obviously!) was that Sunday's wasn't repeating whereas this morning's alarm was.
I agree, end the madness. End the age-old practice of adjusting the clock!
I firmly oppose your position. I don't want the sun coming up at 4:15AM.
I believe jurisdictions in latitudes above 45° should change the clocks 4 times per year to take advantage of summer evenings while retaining "standard" time for winter so children can get to and from school in daylight.
I'd move forward one hour on the first weekend in March, another hour on the first weekend in May, move back one on the first weekend in September and another on the first weekend of November.
The fact that some people claim they can't handle a minor clock adjustment when their bodies already adjust to the changing light of seasons and weather and to different sleep/wake patterns 104 times per year (the Friday-Saturday and Sunday-Monday transitions) makes me think some people just like to complain.
I firmly oppose your position. I don't want the sun coming up at 4:15AM.
I believe jurisdictions in latitudes above 45° should change the clocks 4 times per year to take advantage of summer evenings while retaining "standard" time for winter so children can get to and from school in daylight.
I'd move forward one hour on the first weekend in March, another hour on the first weekend in May, move back one on the first weekend in September and another on the first weekend of November.
The fact that some people claim they can't handle a minor clock adjustment when their bodies already adjust to the changing light of seasons and weather and to different sleep/wake patterns 104 times per year (the Friday-Saturday and Sunday-Monday transitions) makes me think some people just like to complain.
If it cost "billions of IT dollars" in 2007 to move the expiration of N. American DST by one week in 2007 then all of those IT departments should be fired for incompetence.
WTF are you talking about? Hundreds of hours were spent by the company I work alone testing systems with mission time components. Repeated over thousands of other companies. Microsoft alone spent huge amounts of efforts on this -- and not completely successfully, either (cough, Exchange Server, cough, cough).
It was the railroads that necessitated the creation of "standard time". Prior to that it was often a practice for each locality to set their own time by solar noon.
Indeed. I think it's worth emphasizing that standard time was an invention of private corporations--that it arose organically, not by government fiat--and that it's useful.
Why should government be in the business of time, telling me quite literally when to rise and rest?
A big reason for DST these days is nothing practical. It's because of lobbyists. Sporting good and candy consortiums...
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I think the lesson here should be obvious. It's time to stop this DST madness!
Exactly. It's failed miserably at saving energy - never mind the costs associated with screwups like this over some bone-headed artificial manipulation of time.
Europe jumped the gun.
Actually, we changed it - not Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ht_saving_time
Actually, we changed it - not Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ht_saving_time
And thank God we did - the only thing that's stupid is "Standard Time" - wtf is the point in having it bright at 6AM in the morning when over half the nation doesn't even have to be ato work until 8 or 9? There has been study after study after study that killing afternoon sunlight has a profound effect on depression so why in the world have we not made DST standard time? You're giving up an hour of worthless sunlight for an hour of sunlight that actually has a profound effect. The only thing stupid about it is the fact that we revert back to standard time just as we need it most!
Exactly. It's failed miserably at saving energy - never mind the costs associated with screwups like this over some bone-headed artificial manipulation of time.
Assigning time-zones is, in itself, an artificial manipulation of time so that's little more than a pot and kettle argument.
Assigning time-zones is, in itself, an artificial manipulation of time so that's little more than a pot and kettle argument.
Time zones may be an artificial construct, but they are one born from practicality. DST shares none of that. Furthermore, before DST, time zones were consistent. Now we are randomly changing the time periods within some time zones (but not all!) based on arbitrary and superficial arguments from whoever can convince whom to change things around on an apparent whim - much like the latest change that caused this problem.
Time zones and the problems of DST aren't the same at all...
Steve Jobs to crowd: "Calm down, people, the problem is already fixed!"
Just don't set the alarm that way
Apple don't acknowledge bugs, no matter how small and stupid they are.
Yep, it is annoying all right. We have had that bug for ages in NZ. I have to use my BB for morning wake ups, which sucks. I don't like using that thing more than absolutely necessary.
Actually, we changed it - not Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ht_saving_time
Yeah, it was supposed to "save energy" (which, ironically, would potentially drive up the unit costs paid to energy producers). In reality it had no net effect on energy usage except to waste billions of IT dollars in 2007 as everyone tried to recode applications and hardware for the change from the first Sunday in April/last Sunday in October to the second Sunday in March/first Sunday in November.
If they are going to monkey will this stuff, they ought to do what they did in WW2 which was to just make the DST apply year round, once and for all.
Finally, some common sense!
BTW, in the US Daylight Savings Time goes back to "Standard Time" (i.e. normal, non-shifted time) on the first Sunday in November: next weekend. Europe jumped the gun.
But your point is well taken, "Fall Back" means you'd get an extra hour of sleep.
BTW, after implementing DST, Europe hasn't changed it, the US did (so we're just behind ... again
Change your work hours, if you don't like the light conditions.
BTW: I heard somewhere that sleep deprivation can have anti-depressant effects. random thought ...
BTW, after implementing DST, Europe hasn't changed it, the US did (so we're just behind ... again
Then tell your government to get rid of DST. I'm sure they'll sympathize with your distaste for applying patches once every decade or more.
Yeah, it was supposed to "save energy" (which, ironically, would potentially drive up the unit costs paid to energy producers). In reality it had no net effect on energy usage except to waste billions of IT dollars in 2007 as everyone tried to recode applications and hardware for the change from the first Sunday in April/last Sunday in October to the second Sunday in March/first Sunday in November.
If they are going to monkey will this stuff, they ought to do what they did in WW2 which was to just make the DST apply year round, once and for all.
If it cost "billions of IT dollars" in 2007 to move the expiration of N. American DST by one week in 2007 then all of those IT departments should be fired for incompetence.
How can anybody be an hour late? Since on sunday morning the clock was set back from 3 A.M. to 2 A.M. the alarm should go off an hour early if it did not adjust!
Yeah, that confused me too. Its as if they tried to fix it but over-did it.
I'm in Austin, TX USA and mine went off an hour early this moning (iPhone 4) however, my wife's 3GS went off at the regular time!
Could be a firmware issue, maybe the issue only effects iPhone 4. Weird.
Just don't set the alarm that way
That may not be as daft a suggestion as you think it is. Setting your alarm differently - ie so that it's NOT a repeating alarm seems to get around the problem.
My alarm was set for 7am, repeating every weekday, but it failed to go off until 8am. On Sunday, however, my alarm went off at 9am as it should. The only difference (apart from the time obviously!) was that Sunday's wasn't repeating whereas this morning's alarm was.
I agree, end the madness. End the age-old practice of adjusting the clock!
I firmly oppose your position. I don't want the sun coming up at 4:15AM.
I believe jurisdictions in latitudes above 45° should change the clocks 4 times per year to take advantage of summer evenings while retaining "standard" time for winter so children can get to and from school in daylight.
I'd move forward one hour on the first weekend in March, another hour on the first weekend in May, move back one on the first weekend in September and another on the first weekend of November.
The fact that some people claim they can't handle a minor clock adjustment when their bodies already adjust to the changing light of seasons and weather and to different sleep/wake patterns 104 times per year (the Friday-Saturday and Sunday-Monday transitions) makes me think some people just like to complain.
I firmly oppose your position. I don't want the sun coming up at 4:15AM.
I believe jurisdictions in latitudes above 45° should change the clocks 4 times per year to take advantage of summer evenings while retaining "standard" time for winter so children can get to and from school in daylight.
I'd move forward one hour on the first weekend in March, another hour on the first weekend in May, move back one on the first weekend in September and another on the first weekend of November.
The fact that some people claim they can't handle a minor clock adjustment when their bodies already adjust to the changing light of seasons and weather and to different sleep/wake patterns 104 times per year (the Friday-Saturday and Sunday-Monday transitions) makes me think some people just like to complain.
+ 1. Definitely.
I think the lesson here should be obvious. It's time to stop this DST madness!
ha ha. the lesson here is to wake up and stop believing that apple products fall from cupertino heaven without flaw....
If it cost "billions of IT dollars" in 2007 to move the expiration of N. American DST by one week in 2007 then all of those IT departments should be fired for incompetence.
WTF are you talking about? Hundreds of hours were spent by the company I work alone testing systems with mission time components. Repeated over thousands of other companies. Microsoft alone spent huge amounts of efforts on this -- and not completely successfully, either (cough, Exchange Server, cough, cough).
It was the railroads that necessitated the creation of "standard time". Prior to that it was often a practice for each locality to set their own time by solar noon.
Indeed. I think it's worth emphasizing that standard time was an invention of private corporations--that it arose organically, not by government fiat--and that it's useful.
Why should government be in the business of time, telling me quite literally when to rise and rest?
A big reason for DST these days is nothing practical. It's because of lobbyists. Sporting good and candy consortiums...