Don’t forget that it uses up 5” inches of port-side real estate. If we use the current MBAs a template of what to expect with future MBPs I would bet that Apple will put ports on each side, with a tapering toward the front, but even if they do follow that lead (though with a thicker design for 2.5” drives and more powerful HW, there should still be room for at at least one more USB port. Heck, maybe they’ll add LightPeak, too, without getting rid of other ports.
Because that's a lot less hassle than sliding in a disc. Any excuse to not admit your'e on the losing side for once.
I'l bet if you surveyed a random sample of Mac owners, not the fanatics on the boards here, and asked them did the want BR the majority would say yes. I'd say 99% of the Mac Mini crowd would immediately.
Just admit Lord Jobs is stroking you cos he cant extract enough blood from your wallet through Blu_ray and move on.
BTW, I'm a Mac user, who bought a PS3 just to play Blu-Rays.
If they are not Mac fanatics, they likely don't know the difference, and could care less about BR - IMO.
Mac heads - by in large don't care, or do we?
I don't care one way or the other.
Hell I got a 54" Panasonic Plasma TV for xmas last year, and I'll bet I've watched on 2 or 3 BR movies since then, and only because our son rented them ? I rent but don't care about BR, but that's just me.
I'm just waiting for the day the physical media is gone. Never liked cd's or dvd's. I love being able to simply download. I can't even remember the last time I watched a dvd or slid either a dvd or a cd in my computer.
yes, no doubt from a torrent site, I have a 50" tv, if I watch a 700MB divx file on it it look like shit.
You wont be watching it in the original 1080P mate, unless you have your own cable exchange.
Let me get this straight: you want nothing but 1080p for every movie you watch regardless of where you watch it. To get that, you are willing to go obtain the Blu-ray disks and carry them with you to all these places? Man, you really are serious.
yes, no doubt from a torrent site, I have a 50" tv, if I watch a 700MB divx file on it it look like shit.
Movies are available for rent or purchase legally. They look fine. Not good enough for you, I understand, but fine enough for most people. If it means extra engineering, thicker laptops, and/or more expensive products, I can see why Apple isn't exactly jumping up and down to scratch your insatiable quality itch.
I mean come on, I've been a mac enthusiest for years and always see people saying "Lord Jobs" or "papa jobs"... I don't bring this observation up to find out why people do it, because any senseless dolt can hear the under-toned message behind the snarky bit and automatically figure it out.
But It's uncalled for. Even if the assembled multitude of folks on a MAC RUMOR forum have a somewhat biased view, the connection is at the very most ephemeral.
When someone uses a reference like that, I see any basis for an intelligent argument or point made just tossed out the window.
Ultimately, it's the consumers choice as to what is followed or believed in. APPLE can only assume a correct road map for what we want and implement the paving of such. IF it works, great! If not, they try again.
That's not godly like. That's not lord like. That's far from Steve or Apple creating a "reality distortion field"... That's just fucking business.
Are you buying them through iTunes? The iTunes rentals don't really work for the "Grab my ipad and get on the plane" scenario, right?
I am not being facetious, I don't own an iPad and the only streaming I do is with Netflix. I am very curious. I have been thinking of getting an iPad for my daughter. We take a lot of car trips and I don't understand how I would load that thing up with movies before we go.
Debus.
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Originally Posted by TNSF
I travel A LOT and I assure you the last thing I want to do is lug around bluray discs and be popping them into my computer so that I can watch my battery meter go down faster than Enron.
If someone sat beside me on the plane and was thrilled that they could pop in a bluray I'd say "Great. By the way, have you seen my iPad? It holds 12 bluray movies and last 10 hours."
Old news Haggar, very old news. I imagine that this is from a time when Apple was considering all kinds of likely business paths, and they were backing Blu-ray as their favorite solution over the competing physical format(s) in case it came down to that. Ultimately, as time unfolded and the battle rambled on, they realized what I have subsequently realized: by the time the battle ended, the new one had already begun.
In short... this is Apple doing what they always say: they are skating to where they think the puck is going to be.
I can't for the life of me see the value of Blu-ray on a computer.
Firstly, it would be for sole viewing only. Hooking it to a large screen so the family can watch as well, interrupts what most of us buy a computer for in the first place. And, letting anybody else use their computer to watch movies even while they are in the same room, is highly unlikely.
As for choice, even the official Blu-ray site demonstrates that the selection is limited. Right now, there isn't one new release in the past 30 days that are worth buying. Cripes, just how many versions of Toy Story does one really need. Or how many times are we to watch Avatar on Blu-ray.
A few years ago, we conducted a study to on the viewing habits of people re VHS tapes. The least watched, if ever, were tapes that were given to you. Close behind, were tapes you bought; the exception were pre-schoolers. The most watched were rentals. Interesting, the numbers fell the longer the rental period. In other words, a back-tomorrow literally force more to watch the movie vs a video on a three-day or worse a 7-day rental period which simply speaking led people to procrastinate more.
And if we look around ourselves, I'll bet there are more unopened copies of movies Titanic, Star Wars, E.T., etc., but we don't hesitate we will sit in front of the Telli, watching these blockbusters, we just had to have, and with commercials.
In response to ripping a blu-ray disc for later viewing...
Sliding in a disc - blu-ray or otherwise - is more hassle when Netflix owns it. I don't want to feel compelled to watch the movie on Netflix's schedule or on the device with the blu-ray drive. I'd rather rip and return, and watch it later at the location of my choosing.
And then, hopefully, delete that ripped movie soon after watching. Otherwise, that is DEFINITELY not fair use.
we know streaming is good business, especially for apple. why would they release a new appletv with no storage capabilities and then try to convince people that renting a movie several times is still a better choice then buying it.
streaming makes sense, they can charge per rental and make good revenue. if you stick to a optical media solution, apple doesn't stand to make money unless it's pixar.
apple has done a great job marketing the convenience of doing it this way, just look how most of you are in agreement that the disc is dead.
I had a friend that paid to have a Blu Ray disc drive added to his laptop as an add on (I think it was somewhere around $200 if I remember correctly), and wanted to show it off once he got it. He popped in a Blu-Ray disc and started to brag, and I noticed the picture kind of sucked on his 13 inch screen. I asked him "what's the resolution on this thing?" ... turns out it was about half of that of a MacBook. So, he paid two hundred dollars just to be able to watch high definition on a 13 inch computer screen that couldn't even show the content at it's full resolution ... sound kind of dumb to me.
I don't really see the need to watch Blu Rays on my portable devices via a physical disc. Its one more thing to carry around, and a physical disc drive makes noise and eats power when its in operation. Pretty much every Blu Ray I have purchased in the last 18 months has come with a digital download I put into iTunes, and then can carry around on my iPhone or iPad. I travel quite a bit, and on my last trip from Seattle back to San Diego I had eight full length movies on my iPad, and I could watch 10 hours of them before my battery died ... the flight was only three hours.
I think that some of us have a more moderate tone towards Blu-ray... at least we only say "most people don't need it" rather than "nobody needs it". Not only is there sound philosophy to back that up (see earlier arguments) but the data seems to be backing it up as well. (While relatively "popular", Blu-ray is far far from "ubiquitous".) And if a company like Apple relies on such data to help guide its engineering efforts, can you really blame them?
Thompson
People also don't need SD card slots, but they are more convenient. I'm not really as frustrated with apple moving away from optical drives in their portable computers, but I wish they would support the format at the OS level, if only for the benefit of the Mac Mini alone.
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Can I quote you in a couple of years? LOL
Yes you can quote me in a couple years! BR will certainly still be around in two years. Like I said I understand the benefits of streaming and I certainly feel that the two technologies can coexist (That is why I have Netflix and BR's), but streaming will not supplant Br in the quality department until sustainable bandwidth is more prevalent. Now, if two years from now, 100+ Megabit connections are as ubiquitous as common Wifi is today, then I believe we might start seeing a diminishing of BR, but until then i see both technologies continuing to see growth.
try to convince people that renting a movie several times is still a better choice then buying it...
Try to convince customers WHAT!?!?!?
I don't feel any urge or pressure from Apple to rent the same movie multiple times from iTunes. If I think I may want to see it more than once, I'll consider buying the movie in iTunes, from whence I can stream it or load it directly onto multiple iDevices.
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Originally Posted by kabelad
apple has done a great job marketing the convenience of doing it this way, just look how most of you are in agreement that the disc is dead.
So in your view, the only reason someone might believe the disk is dead is that he (or she) is simply drinking the Apple marketing kool-aid, like a brainless zombie?
Perhaps some people believe that the disk IS dead without needing Apple to tell them. I was predicting the eventual demise of the disk as long ago as the early 2000's when you could get your songs from Napster and rip all of your disks into iTunes. It didn't take long for the music disk to begin its decline, and it was fairly clear even then that video would go the same way once bandwidth and storage would allow. For some people, the time is now.
Never mind the merits or not of BR on a laptop, this is probably the best MS commercial I have seen. The aim of the ad is clearly to create the perception that an MS machine is better because it has the BR feature. Never mind that 99% of the people will us it once or twice at best.
People always talk about watching movies on the plane. I HAVE watched movies on my computer on a plane, and I have seen other people do it but it is a rarity. Most people by far choose from the selection offered on the airplane. My kids watch DVDs on our laptops at home but more and more its from Netflix or iTunes. If I had laptops without optical drives and a DVD needs to be played I can copy it to my iMac and stream it to whatever machine they are using.
People also don't need SD card slots, but they are more convenient. I'm not really as frustrated with apple moving away from optical drives in their portable computers, but I wish they would support the format at the OS level, if only for the benefit of the Mac Mini alone.
Well then, it seems like you have a broken analogy, because there is very little about Blu-ray that is more convenient than streaming or just having digital copies of a movie.
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Yes, but if you have a digital image and an inexpensive app ServeToMe you can watch it on:
your laptop, desktopS, HDTVS, iPhoneS, iPadS, at your mates TV, your Auntie's TV, at any WiFi HotSpot, or over 3G in the middle of a park.
See, that's the magic of streamed digital contentment, you can take it with you -- without taking it with you!
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You wont be watching it in the original 1080P mate, unless you have your own cable exchange.
Don’t forget that it uses up 5” inches of port-side real estate. If we use the current MBAs a template of what to expect with future MBPs I would bet that Apple will put ports on each side, with a tapering toward the front, but even if they do follow that lead (though with a thicker design for 2.5” drives and more powerful HW, there should still be room for at at least one more USB port. Heck, maybe they’ll add LightPeak, too, without getting rid of other ports.
Because that's a lot less hassle than sliding in a disc. Any excuse to not admit your'e on the losing side for once.
I'l bet if you surveyed a random sample of Mac owners, not the fanatics on the boards here, and asked them did the want BR the majority would say yes. I'd say 99% of the Mac Mini crowd would immediately.
Just admit Lord Jobs is stroking you cos he cant extract enough blood from your wallet through Blu_ray and move on.
BTW, I'm a Mac user, who bought a PS3 just to play Blu-Rays.
If they are not Mac fanatics, they likely don't know the difference, and could care less about BR - IMO.
Mac heads - by in large don't care, or do we?
I don't care one way or the other.
Hell I got a 54" Panasonic Plasma TV for xmas last year, and I'll bet I've watched on 2 or 3 BR movies since then, and only because our son rented them ? I rent but don't care about BR, but that's just me.
Skip
You're dead wrong.
I'm just waiting for the day the physical media is gone. Never liked cd's or dvd's. I love being able to simply download. I can't even remember the last time I watched a dvd or slid either a dvd or a cd in my computer.
yes, no doubt from a torrent site, I have a 50" tv, if I watch a 700MB divx file on it it look like shit.
You wont be watching it in the original 1080P mate, unless you have your own cable exchange.
Let me get this straight: you want nothing but 1080p for every movie you watch regardless of where you watch it. To get that, you are willing to go obtain the Blu-ray disks and carry them with you to all these places? Man, you really are serious.
Thompson
yes, no doubt from a torrent site, I have a 50" tv, if I watch a 700MB divx file on it it look like shit.
Movies are available for rent or purchase legally. They look fine. Not good enough for you, I understand, but fine enough for most people. If it means extra engineering, thicker laptops, and/or more expensive products, I can see why Apple isn't exactly jumping up and down to scratch your insatiable quality itch.
Thompson
"Lord Jobs?" Really? Seriously? Give me a break!
I mean come on, I've been a mac enthusiest for years and always see people saying "Lord Jobs" or "papa jobs"... I don't bring this observation up to find out why people do it, because any senseless dolt can hear the under-toned message behind the snarky bit and automatically figure it out.
But It's uncalled for. Even if the assembled multitude of folks on a MAC RUMOR forum have a somewhat biased view, the connection is at the very most ephemeral.
When someone uses a reference like that, I see any basis for an intelligent argument or point made just tossed out the window.
Ultimately, it's the consumers choice as to what is followed or believed in. APPLE can only assume a correct road map for what we want and implement the paving of such. IF it works, great! If not, they try again.
That's not godly like. That's not lord like. That's far from Steve or Apple creating a "reality distortion field"... That's just fucking business.
Ahem.
+1
Thompson
I am not being facetious, I don't own an iPad and the only streaming I do is with Netflix. I am very curious. I have been thinking of getting an iPad for my daughter. We take a lot of car trips and I don't understand how I would load that thing up with movies before we go.
Debus.
I travel A LOT and I assure you the last thing I want to do is lug around bluray discs and be popping them into my computer so that I can watch my battery meter go down faster than Enron.
If someone sat beside me on the plane and was thrilled that they could pop in a bluray I'd say "Great. By the way, have you seen my iPad? It holds 12 bluray movies and last 10 hours."
How about the fact that Apple is on the Blu-ray Disc Association's board of directors, but still does not include Blu-ray in its own computers?
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/mar/10blu-ray.html
Old news Haggar, very old news. I imagine that this is from a time when Apple was considering all kinds of likely business paths, and they were backing Blu-ray as their favorite solution over the competing physical format(s) in case it came down to that. Ultimately, as time unfolded and the battle rambled on, they realized what I have subsequently realized: by the time the battle ended, the new one had already begun.
In short... this is Apple doing what they always say: they are skating to where they think the puck is going to be.
Thompson
Firstly, it would be for sole viewing only. Hooking it to a large screen so the family can watch as well, interrupts what most of us buy a computer for in the first place. And, letting anybody else use their computer to watch movies even while they are in the same room, is highly unlikely.
As for choice, even the official Blu-ray site demonstrates that the selection is limited. Right now, there isn't one new release in the past 30 days that are worth buying. Cripes, just how many versions of Toy Story does one really need. Or how many times are we to watch Avatar on Blu-ray.
A few years ago, we conducted a study to on the viewing habits of people re VHS tapes. The least watched, if ever, were tapes that were given to you. Close behind, were tapes you bought; the exception were pre-schoolers. The most watched were rentals. Interesting, the numbers fell the longer the rental period. In other words, a back-tomorrow literally force more to watch the movie vs a video on a three-day or worse a 7-day rental period which simply speaking led people to procrastinate more.
And if we look around ourselves, I'll bet there are more unopened copies of movies Titanic, Star Wars, E.T., etc., but we don't hesitate we will sit in front of the Telli, watching these blockbusters, we just had to have, and with commercials.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies...ow=newreleases
Top Blu-ray Sellers: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/top.php?country=usa
Will the three people who use Blu-Ray please raise their hands?
Haha, very funny. You know full well that you're not even close. Try 20 million in 3 years since late '06.
Haha, very funny. You know full well that you're not even close. Try 20 million in 3 years since late '06.
How about on notebooks to watch movies? Whose paying an extra $500 for those 9.5mm Blu-ray drives?
In response to ripping a blu-ray disc for later viewing...
Sliding in a disc - blu-ray or otherwise - is more hassle when Netflix owns it. I don't want to feel compelled to watch the movie on Netflix's schedule or on the device with the blu-ray drive. I'd rather rip and return, and watch it later at the location of my choosing.
And then, hopefully, delete that ripped movie soon after watching. Otherwise, that is DEFINITELY not fair use.
Thompson
streaming makes sense, they can charge per rental and make good revenue. if you stick to a optical media solution, apple doesn't stand to make money unless it's pixar.
apple has done a great job marketing the convenience of doing it this way, just look how most of you are in agreement that the disc is dead.
I don't really see the need to watch Blu Rays on my portable devices via a physical disc. Its one more thing to carry around, and a physical disc drive makes noise and eats power when its in operation. Pretty much every Blu Ray I have purchased in the last 18 months has come with a digital download I put into iTunes, and then can carry around on my iPhone or iPad. I travel quite a bit, and on my last trip from Seattle back to San Diego I had eight full length movies on my iPad, and I could watch 10 hours of them before my battery died ... the flight was only three hours.
I think that some of us have a more moderate tone towards Blu-ray... at least we only say "most people don't need it" rather than "nobody needs it". Not only is there sound philosophy to back that up (see earlier arguments) but the data seems to be backing it up as well. (While relatively "popular", Blu-ray is far far from "ubiquitous".) And if a company like Apple relies on such data to help guide its engineering efforts, can you really blame them?
Thompson
People also don't need SD card slots, but they are more convenient. I'm not really as frustrated with apple moving away from optical drives in their portable computers, but I wish they would support the format at the OS level, if only for the benefit of the Mac Mini alone.
Can I quote you in a couple of years? LOL
Yes you can quote me in a couple years! BR will certainly still be around in two years. Like I said I understand the benefits of streaming and I certainly feel that the two technologies can coexist (That is why I have Netflix and BR's), but streaming will not supplant Br in the quality department until sustainable bandwidth is more prevalent. Now, if two years from now, 100+ Megabit connections are as ubiquitous as common Wifi is today, then I believe we might start seeing a diminishing of BR, but until then i see both technologies continuing to see growth.
try to convince people that renting a movie several times is still a better choice then buying it...
Try to convince customers WHAT!?!?!?
I don't feel any urge or pressure from Apple to rent the same movie multiple times from iTunes. If I think I may want to see it more than once, I'll consider buying the movie in iTunes, from whence I can stream it or load it directly onto multiple iDevices.
apple has done a great job marketing the convenience of doing it this way, just look how most of you are in agreement that the disc is dead.
So in your view, the only reason someone might believe the disk is dead is that he (or she) is simply drinking the Apple marketing kool-aid, like a brainless zombie?
Perhaps some people believe that the disk IS dead without needing Apple to tell them. I was predicting the eventual demise of the disk as long ago as the early 2000's when you could get your songs from Napster and rip all of your disks into iTunes. It didn't take long for the music disk to begin its decline, and it was fairly clear even then that video would go the same way once bandwidth and storage would allow. For some people, the time is now.
For me, the disk is almost completely dead.
Thompson
People always talk about watching movies on the plane. I HAVE watched movies on my computer on a plane, and I have seen other people do it but it is a rarity. Most people by far choose from the selection offered on the airplane. My kids watch DVDs on our laptops at home but more and more its from Netflix or iTunes. If I had laptops without optical drives and a DVD needs to be played I can copy it to my iMac and stream it to whatever machine they are using.
People also don't need SD card slots, but they are more convenient. I'm not really as frustrated with apple moving away from optical drives in their portable computers, but I wish they would support the format at the OS level, if only for the benefit of the Mac Mini alone.
Well then, it seems like you have a broken analogy, because there is very little about Blu-ray that is more convenient than streaming or just having digital copies of a movie.
Thompson