Debate all you want, but Blu-Ray is good for those who want, streaming / Apple is good for those who want it ...
the problem is many of these people are too emotionally tied to their preferred delivery method for HD content. also, i'm surprised very little discussion was made regarding the lossless audio component of the HD viewing experience. i just love listening to the lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio tracks when paired with high-quality visuals.
I was lucky enough to have only streamed that one through Netflix via my 2nd gen AppleTV.
I was expecting something more along the lines of the Transporter series. What I got was part low brow humor, part Tarantino, part Scarface, part every stereotype you could or could not imagine, and part porno!
Worst POS movie I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some real winners.
Microsloth should know by now that attacking the Mac usually results in increased Mac sales. There's a reason Macs rule the Premium end, and there's a reason consumers with $$$ choose Macs, and it has nothing to do with Blu Ray.
Another useless ad campaign by MS that does nothing more than highlight their continued envy of a leaner, faster, more innovative rival that does a magnitude more with a fraction of MS' resources.
ha ha ha ha, you posted one of my messages and tried to make a joke.
Wow. You must be very smart.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
If you spent money on something you don't use then why complain about the product, if you didn't need it, or had no intention of using it, why buy it in the first place?
Here's some free investment advice. Buy a stock if it will go up.
I was lucky enough to have only streamed that one through Netflix via my 2nd gen AppleTV.
I was expecting something more along the lines of the Transporter series. What I got was part low brow humor, part Tarantino, part Scarface, part every stereotype you could or could not imagine, and part porno!
Worst POS movie I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some real winners.
Agreed.
But your taste in movies can't be worse than mine. For instance, I worship Arnie as the greatest thing that happened to American cinema!
I suggest you sign up at the gym and develop those muscles so that you're able to "lug" those incredibly heavy discs around. I don't have that problem, and, as crazy as it is heard to believe, I am able to watch Blu-ray movies on my PC laptop without watching the "battery meter go down faster than Enron"..
I know that's amazing to you since you choose to just regurgitate the typical fanboy arguments (Lug it around, all Laptops with Blu-ray get bad battery life) but reality defies your RDF view of the world.
And yet you didn't provide any examples if this reality... Seriously if there is a laptop that can play bluray for up to 10 hours on a single charge I'd love to see it.
The reality is that I can travel with a small and lightweight bag. I can zip in and out of security with ease. If I happen to be flying economy I don't have to worry that I won't be able to open my laptop when the passenger in front of me reclines. On a single device I have a huge selection of movies, music and games. If I change my mind and I want to watch a different movie I just choose with my fingers. I don't have to go back into my bag or back into the overhead bin, put away the old disc, find the new disk, load it up, juggle my laptop throughout this whole process, etc.
The scenario MSFT portrays in the commercial is fake. Digital media takes the cake. It just happens that Apple does digital media better with it's idevice ecosystem. After all when I travel I'm also carrying my blackberry and thinkpad. If I wanted to carry physical media i could, but why would I when given a superior alternative?
I enjoy watching people bumble around with laptops and DVDs and blurays. And they get so jealous of my iPad that I can see it in their eyes
You still haven't said that the "ridiculous" part is? Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them "ridiculous". And the AACS isn't a MS technology, MS doesn't approve anything so don't try and claim they do, they are just one of the founders, there is a number of others, including Disney. The AACS LA are the ones that do the approval.
Actually, I did. And for most unbiased people, it should be pretty obvious. AACS licensing actually does more than protect content, it implements rules that directly affect the future development of an OS, it gives the AACS LA a pseudo-official role (kind of a FCC), that enables them to approve or disapprove systems solely based on their own interpretations of their own rules. And of course does MS still have influence within AACS LA.
This is ridiculous, because it is completely out of proportion. Because (according to statistics from last year) less than 6% of computer users in reporting countries (mainly North America and Western Europe) do buy computers with BD support at all, and less than 10% of those do rip BDs, most of them for private use (let's say at least half of them). Now we talk about this: approx. 98% of personal computers (combined market share of MS and Apple) have to be crippled, to protect the industry from 0,3% of the users max. (and these 0,3% are not even bothered by AACS)? But your logic is: if 0,3% of male human beings participate in constitutional rape at least once in their lifetime, we should castrate them all? Every dictator would love citizens like that.
Even if Apple is not boycotting AACS for ethical reasons, I am sure glad they do, as I really do not feel like putting up with Linux crap as a last resort. They should implement BD support the very moment the industry allows for an implementation that relies on end user software (player) and an encrypted signal path only... they do it with movies on iTunes and sure want that money, but prefer to screw their own buyers. No logic in that.
The pro Blu-ray argument in notebooks is usually presented with the idea that anything less is too inferior for their viewing, yet these people never seem to realize that viewing Blu-ray on a little notebook display is inferior viewing. If these people really cared about the cinematic experience of Blu-ray they wouldn’t be watching on a computer, much less a notebook with a TN display on an airplane, they’d be watching in a real Home Theater setup.
I guess all Apple needs to do to counter this commercial is create create one of their own showing what happens on the flight when PC only gets halfway through the film before his battery dies - the Mac can carry on to the end of the film and beyond because his film is an HD download from iTunes.
or how about an ad where in the middle of the movie itunes stops and says that your rental period has ended.
Anyway, I have 3 laptops all running windows 7, 2 running PGP disk encryption, which is obviously processor and disk access intense. running wifi and with a disk in, my laptops all get over 3 hours battery life without large capacity batteries.
The only laptop that I have issues with windows battery life is my mac book, but it is 3 years old so I will assume that is the battery age and not the driver and setting defaults chosen by apple.
the problem is many of these people are too emotionally tied to their preferred delivery method for HD content. also, i'm surprised very little discussion was made regarding the lossless audio component of the HD viewing experience. i just love listening to the lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio tracks when paired with high-quality visuals.
It isnt emotional it is logical. Windows and mac have all the same streaming and download options, the case for bluray is that a person with a big screen tv and/or home theater may prefer bluray over the 720P itunes only hd download. not to mention the deleted scenes and special features like french or spanish dub on the same disk.
Now, I am going on a business trip and want to watch lets say the new star trek; do I rebuy it? or just grab the bluray and toss it in the bag? I guess that question depends on weather you are a mac or PC.
or how about an ad where in the middle of the movie itunes stops and says that your rental period has ended.
BS that doesn't happen, FUD. You can start the movie up until the moment it will expire and watch it in its entirety and even pause for a break if you need. Get your facts straight and quit stretching the truth on laptop BR playback
It isnt emotional it is logical. Windows and mac have all the same streaming and download options, the case for bluray is that a person with a big screen tv and/or home theater may prefer bluray over the 720P itunes only hd download. not to mention the deleted scenes and special features like french or spanish dub on the same disk.
Now, I am going on a business trip and want to watch lets say the new star trek; do I rebuy it? or just grab the bluray and toss it in the bag? I guess that question depends on weather you are a mac or PC.
This doesn?t make sense. Macs are ?PCs?. Mac can also run Windows and they play Blu-ray movies from a Blu-ray player just fine under Windows.
What they don?t do is offer Blu-ray drives from the factory. But just because other vendors offer the option doesn?t mean Apple should offer the option or that others include the option across their line as if it?s standard or a popular option.
Everything says that Blu-ray in ?PCs? is not popular. How many PCs per year are being shipped with Blu-ray? How many of those are notebooks were the drives are more expensive? How many of those are 9.5mm ultra-slim drives that cost $500 or more?
Actually, I did. And for most unbiased people, it should be pretty obvious. AACS licensing actually does more than protect content, it implements rules that directly affect the future development of an OS, it gives the AACS LA a pseudo-official role (kind of a FCC), that enables them to approve or disapprove systems solely based on their own interpretations of their own rules. And of course does MS still have influence within AACS LA.
If that is your logic, then Disney has influence within the AACS LA, and IBM, and Intel, and Warner Bros, and Panasonic, and Sony, and Toshiba... MS is just one member, you are reading too much into Microsoft being a member in this case.
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
This is ridiculous, because it is completely out of proportion. Because (according to statistics from last year) less than 6% of computer users in reporting countries (mainly North America and Western Europe) do buy computers with BD support at all, and less than 10% of those do rip BDs, most of them for private use (let's say at least half of them). Now we talk about this: approx. 98% of personal computers (combined market share of MS and Apple) have to be crippled, to protect the industry from 0,3% of the users max. (and these 0,3% are not even bothered by AACS)? But your logic is: if 0,3% of male human beings participate in constitutional rape at least once in their lifetime, we should castrate them all? Every dictator would love citizens like that.
You are comparing blu-ray usage on a computer to rape? Do you have a serious issue that needs medical help?
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
Even if Apple is not boycotting AACS for ethical reasons, I am sure glad they do, as I really do not feel like putting up with Linux crap as a last resort. They should implement BD support the very moment the industry allows for an implementation that relies on end user software (player) and an encrypted signal path only... they do it with movies on iTunes and sure want that money, but prefer to screw their own buyers. No logic in that.
So what happens with the studios demand that Apple implements a AACS type scheme for digital downloads? Don't assume that everything will stay the same, iTunes downloads are currently a very small part of the movie studios money scheme, but as downloads increase, the studios will start placing larger demands on companies like Apple.
While I normally agree that 720p is not HD at all, you're absolutely wrong with this statement by the definitions of the rest of the world.
But the iPad will not display HD content at 720p. Not even close.
It is the wrong aspect ratio, so it letterboxes everything. The vertical resolution is nowhere near 720. In fact, when watching HD stuff, the vertical resolution is 576.
The iPad is 1024x768 @ 4:3, the venerable XGA standard from 1990. It is not widescreen.
When displaying HD formatted content in landscape, the iPad displays 1024x576 @ 16:9. That ain't HD, hence my original comment that the iPad is unable to display HD content. I'll concede that it will display the content, but it will not display the content in HD, which is what I was driving at.
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Debate all you want, but Blu-Ray is good for those who want, streaming / Apple is good for those who want it ...
the problem is many of these people are too emotionally tied to their preferred delivery method for HD content. also, i'm surprised very little discussion was made regarding the lossless audio component of the HD viewing experience. i just love listening to the lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio tracks when paired with high-quality visuals.
Crank 2.
I was lucky enough to have only streamed that one through Netflix via my 2nd gen AppleTV.
I was expecting something more along the lines of the Transporter series. What I got was part low brow humor, part Tarantino, part Scarface, part every stereotype you could or could not imagine, and part porno!
Worst POS movie I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some real winners.
Another useless ad campaign by MS that does nothing more than highlight their continued envy of a leaner, faster, more innovative rival that does a magnitude more with a fraction of MS' resources.
May these ads continue. They only help Apple.
ha ha ha ha, you posted one of my messages and tried to make a joke.
Wow. You must be very smart.
If you spent money on something you don't use then why complain about the product, if you didn't need it, or had no intention of using it, why buy it in the first place?
Here's some free investment advice. Buy a stock if it will go up.
I was lucky enough to have only streamed that one through Netflix via my 2nd gen AppleTV.
I was expecting something more along the lines of the Transporter series. What I got was part low brow humor, part Tarantino, part Scarface, part every stereotype you could or could not imagine, and part porno!
Worst POS movie I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some real winners.
Agreed.
But your taste in movies can't be worse than mine. For instance, I worship Arnie as the greatest thing that happened to American cinema!
I suggest you sign up at the gym and develop those muscles so that you're able to "lug" those incredibly heavy discs around. I don't have that problem, and, as crazy as it is heard to believe, I am able to watch Blu-ray movies on my PC laptop without watching the "battery meter go down faster than Enron"..
I know that's amazing to you since you choose to just regurgitate the typical fanboy arguments (Lug it around, all Laptops with Blu-ray get bad battery life) but reality defies your RDF view of the world.
And yet you didn't provide any examples if this reality... Seriously if there is a laptop that can play bluray for up to 10 hours on a single charge I'd love to see it.
The reality is that I can travel with a small and lightweight bag. I can zip in and out of security with ease. If I happen to be flying economy I don't have to worry that I won't be able to open my laptop when the passenger in front of me reclines. On a single device I have a huge selection of movies, music and games. If I change my mind and I want to watch a different movie I just choose with my fingers. I don't have to go back into my bag or back into the overhead bin, put away the old disc, find the new disk, load it up, juggle my laptop throughout this whole process, etc.
The scenario MSFT portrays in the commercial is fake. Digital media takes the cake. It just happens that Apple does digital media better with it's idevice ecosystem. After all when I travel I'm also carrying my blackberry and thinkpad. If I wanted to carry physical media i could, but why would I when given a superior alternative?
I enjoy watching people bumble around with laptops and DVDs and blurays. And they get so jealous of my iPad that I can see it in their eyes
You still haven't said that the "ridiculous" part is? Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them "ridiculous". And the AACS isn't a MS technology, MS doesn't approve anything so don't try and claim they do, they are just one of the founders, there is a number of others, including Disney. The AACS LA are the ones that do the approval.
Actually, I did. And for most unbiased people, it should be pretty obvious. AACS licensing actually does more than protect content, it implements rules that directly affect the future development of an OS, it gives the AACS LA a pseudo-official role (kind of a FCC), that enables them to approve or disapprove systems solely based on their own interpretations of their own rules. And of course does MS still have influence within AACS LA.
This is ridiculous, because it is completely out of proportion. Because (according to statistics from last year) less than 6% of computer users in reporting countries (mainly North America and Western Europe) do buy computers with BD support at all, and less than 10% of those do rip BDs, most of them for private use (let's say at least half of them). Now we talk about this: approx. 98% of personal computers (combined market share of MS and Apple) have to be crippled, to protect the industry from 0,3% of the users max. (and these 0,3% are not even bothered by AACS)? But your logic is: if 0,3% of male human beings participate in constitutional rape at least once in their lifetime, we should castrate them all? Every dictator would love citizens like that.
Even if Apple is not boycotting AACS for ethical reasons, I am sure glad they do, as I really do not feel like putting up with Linux crap as a last resort. They should implement BD support the very moment the industry allows for an implementation that relies on end user software (player) and an encrypted signal path only... they do it with movies on iTunes and sure want that money, but prefer to screw their own buyers. No logic in that.
I guess all Apple needs to do to counter this commercial is create create one of their own showing what happens on the flight when PC only gets halfway through the film before his battery dies - the Mac can carry on to the end of the film and beyond because his film is an HD download from iTunes.
or how about an ad where in the middle of the movie itunes stops and says that your rental period has ended.
Anyway, I have 3 laptops all running windows 7, 2 running PGP disk encryption, which is obviously processor and disk access intense. running wifi and with a disk in, my laptops all get over 3 hours battery life without large capacity batteries.
The only laptop that I have issues with windows battery life is my mac book, but it is 3 years old so I will assume that is the battery age and not the driver and setting defaults chosen by apple.
the problem is many of these people are too emotionally tied to their preferred delivery method for HD content. also, i'm surprised very little discussion was made regarding the lossless audio component of the HD viewing experience. i just love listening to the lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio tracks when paired with high-quality visuals.
It isnt emotional it is logical. Windows and mac have all the same streaming and download options, the case for bluray is that a person with a big screen tv and/or home theater may prefer bluray over the 720P itunes only hd download. not to mention the deleted scenes and special features like french or spanish dub on the same disk.
Now, I am going on a business trip and want to watch lets say the new star trek; do I rebuy it? or just grab the bluray and toss it in the bag? I guess that question depends on weather you are a mac or PC.
or how about an ad where in the middle of the movie itunes stops and says that your rental period has ended.
BS that doesn't happen, FUD. You can start the movie up until the moment it will expire and watch it in its entirety and even pause for a break if you need. Get your facts straight and quit stretching the truth on laptop BR playback
It isnt emotional it is logical. Windows and mac have all the same streaming and download options, the case for bluray is that a person with a big screen tv and/or home theater may prefer bluray over the 720P itunes only hd download. not to mention the deleted scenes and special features like french or spanish dub on the same disk.
Now, I am going on a business trip and want to watch lets say the new star trek; do I rebuy it? or just grab the bluray and toss it in the bag? I guess that question depends on weather you are a mac or PC.
This doesn?t make sense. Macs are ?PCs?. Mac can also run Windows and they play Blu-ray movies from a Blu-ray player just fine under Windows.
What they don?t do is offer Blu-ray drives from the factory. But just because other vendors offer the option doesn?t mean Apple should offer the option or that others include the option across their line as if it?s standard or a popular option.
Everything says that Blu-ray in ?PCs? is not popular. How many PCs per year are being shipped with Blu-ray? How many of those are notebooks were the drives are more expensive? How many of those are 9.5mm ultra-slim drives that cost $500 or more?
This doesn?t make sense. Macs are ?PCs?. Mac can also run Windows and they play Blu-ray movies from a Blu-ray player just fine under Windows.
And in OS X. it's completely moot. People would just complain about the $500 BTO drives when they could put their own in.
Here's some free investment advice. Buy a stock if it will go up.
What has that got to do with buying a blu-ray player, never using it, and then bitching about it?
Actually, I did. And for most unbiased people, it should be pretty obvious. AACS licensing actually does more than protect content, it implements rules that directly affect the future development of an OS, it gives the AACS LA a pseudo-official role (kind of a FCC), that enables them to approve or disapprove systems solely based on their own interpretations of their own rules. And of course does MS still have influence within AACS LA.
If that is your logic, then Disney has influence within the AACS LA, and IBM, and Intel, and Warner Bros, and Panasonic, and Sony, and Toshiba... MS is just one member, you are reading too much into Microsoft being a member in this case.
This is ridiculous, because it is completely out of proportion. Because (according to statistics from last year) less than 6% of computer users in reporting countries (mainly North America and Western Europe) do buy computers with BD support at all, and less than 10% of those do rip BDs, most of them for private use (let's say at least half of them). Now we talk about this: approx. 98% of personal computers (combined market share of MS and Apple) have to be crippled, to protect the industry from 0,3% of the users max. (and these 0,3% are not even bothered by AACS)? But your logic is: if 0,3% of male human beings participate in constitutional rape at least once in their lifetime, we should castrate them all? Every dictator would love citizens like that.
You are comparing blu-ray usage on a computer to rape? Do you have a serious issue that needs medical help?
Even if Apple is not boycotting AACS for ethical reasons, I am sure glad they do, as I really do not feel like putting up with Linux crap as a last resort. They should implement BD support the very moment the industry allows for an implementation that relies on end user software (player) and an encrypted signal path only... they do it with movies on iTunes and sure want that money, but prefer to screw their own buyers. No logic in that.
So what happens with the studios demand that Apple implements a AACS type scheme for digital downloads? Don't assume that everything will stay the same, iTunes downloads are currently a very small part of the movie studios money scheme, but as downloads increase, the studios will start placing larger demands on companies like Apple.
I'm not aware of any laptop under 17" that has a resolution 1920x1080 or higher.
Have you ever looked for one? Because Dell sells them
Sure it can.
While I normally agree that 720p is not HD at all, you're absolutely wrong with this statement by the definitions of the rest of the world.
But the iPad will not display HD content at 720p. Not even close.
It is the wrong aspect ratio, so it letterboxes everything. The vertical resolution is nowhere near 720. In fact, when watching HD stuff, the vertical resolution is 576.
The iPad is 1024x768 @ 4:3, the venerable XGA standard from 1990. It is not widescreen.
When displaying HD formatted content in landscape, the iPad displays 1024x576 @ 16:9. That ain't HD, hence my original comment that the iPad is unable to display HD content. I'll concede that it will display the content, but it will not display the content in HD, which is what I was driving at.
Somebody could please check my arithmetic.
Your implication... is fallacious.
Your talk ... is specious.
Your presumed entitlement ... is fatuous.
Your stating ... is vacuous.
Your post ... is not appropriate.
I wasn't aware of any law that restricted how far I can sit in front of my TV or computer, do you have one in your country?
Good point.
Wow. You must be very smart.
What has that got to do with buying a blu-ray player, never using it, and then bitching about it?
I take back my comment. The one quoted above.