Keep calling it like you see it, unbiased observer, you seem to know me so well it's frightening.
I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.
What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.
Please, rub it in no further, the pain... oh dear God... the pain.
Yeah! you know we shouldn't burden the Saudis for their oil. They should just sell it to the Arab nomads instead while we "Mandate" a step back to antiquity and use candles and beef blubber for light Do you think we can power our macs with manure?.
I mean while were at it we might as well "mandate" no racism. And what the hell mandate no swearing. Why not mandate space travel, but it could backfire cause we might need oil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Give me a freaking break. I simply asked for a mandate for the increase of fuel efficiency for new cars. The US gets between 30% and 40% of our oil from the middle east. Raising fuel efficiency and *gasp* conserving energy can help us gain or independence from the drug called oil that they peddle. Try responding intelligently next time and leave the sarcasm at home.
[quote] Give me a freaking break. I simply asked for a mandate for the increase of fuel efficiency for new cars.
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Don't you think we have enough mandates already?
How about you walk to the frickin store once in a while or take the bus or train. Isn't that conserving enough for you. Hey try reading a book or playing a board game instead of watching tv if you really care.
Instead a select few will impose their will on us further by stripping away yet some more freedoms in the name of the ever popular energy crisis.
The standards would be ineffective at best if even possible so don't kid yourself. You know the fuels of today contain more toxins and poisonous ingredients than they ever had.
For example If you've ever siphoned anything then you know you are bound to taste that liquid whatever it may be. If you would have siphoned some gasoline (with lead) in the 50's you would doubtless get a mouthfull of it when it was ready to make its tranfer. No big deal a bad taste. Spit it out and continue on with your gas transferring activity.
Now try that same trick with some of today's Federally mandated "cleaner" high-quality gasoline.
When you get out of the hospital drop me a post .I'd love to hear about all the adventures of safer gas thanks to federal mandates.
Hey do you have a new toilet by chance? Well if so it's federally mandated too. It can only hold 1.3 gallons of water at a time. The bad old toilets held 3 gallons of water. When you flushed, a whole bunch of extra water went to waste. We could have given that water to the Ethiopians. Oh but before I forget, the new toilets can't handle as much TP so you may have to flush 2-3 times to get all the poopy down (lest your bowl be clogged) 2 or 3+1.3= either 2.6 (saves about a quart) or 3.9 (expends almost a gallon more)
But hey the toilet industry is happy they got to sell all new toilets to the world. Have you seen the front loading washing machine at the local laundro mat well those are a whole nother story well have to discuss later?after you retort.
<strong>Don't waste your time with groverat?rashumon. .........
Unfortunately in a free society we're free to say what we want and mindless fools are free to believe it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would have thought that was a very fortunate thing in fact- his ability to say crap all day :cool: is what's so great about the free system we have in our countries . I have no problem with g'dold Groover saying whats on his mind ....
Lucky for all of us we don't live in a system like most Arabs (including Palestinians ) live in where the slightest deviation from the accepted line causes great trouble to people and might even get them<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1945000/1945098.stm"; target="_blank"> killed</a>
[quote] Keep calling it like you see it, unbiased observer, you seem to know me so well it's frightening.
I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.
Yer too funnyÂ?But I hate to tell youÂ?I do have you pegged. No bugs necessaryÂ?Â*It's as clear as a Phish song being broadcast from the campus station.
[quote]What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.
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You could be a Straight Edge PETA supporter. I don't know for certainÂ? gimme one more sarcastic "Oh darn foiled again" retort and then I'll know for sure.
This is a must read: The Isreali Lobby in the US. (US gives $3 Billion per year in aid. $90 Billion to date. Isreal recieves 30% of all military exports from US). Foreign influence, special interests, industrial or ethnic influence via lobbying and campaign financing via soft or direct money has sway in US politics and media (e.g. Auto industry, Cuban-Americans, Isreali Lobby, etc.) The below article was published in Prospect and written by US former Ass Director in State Dept by the New America Foundation in DC. See the link below. It is important for us, as americans, to know where our tax dollars go to and what money buys in terms of political influence, policies, etc in US.
Until recently, america's middle east policy was a peripheral part of its global strategy, which focused on preventing the Soviet Union from intimidating US allies in western Europe and east Asia. Britain was the dominant western power in the middle east until the 1960s, and US influence was countered in much of the region by the Soviet Union until the end of the cold war. The indifference of much of the national security elite and the public to the region, in between crises, permitted US policy to be dominated by two US domestic lobbies, one ethnic and one economic-the Israel lobby and the oil industry (which occasionally clashed over issues like US weapons sales to Saudi Arabia).
Times have changed. The collapse of the Soviet empire created a power vacuum which has been filled by the US, first in the Persian Gulf following the Gulf war, and now in central Asia as a result of the Afghan war. Today the middle east is becoming the centre of US foreign policy-a fact illustrated in the most shocking way by the al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. A debate within the US over the goals and methods of American policy in the middle east is long overdue. Unfortunately, an uninhibited debate is not taking place, because of the disproportionate influence of the Israel lobby. Today the Israel lobby distorts US foreign policy in a number of ways. Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, enabled by US weapons and money, inflames anti-American attitudes in Arab and Muslim countries. The expansion of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land makes a mockery of the US commitment to self-determination for Kosovo, East Timor and Tibet. The US strategy of dual containment of Iraq and Iran, pleases Israel-which is most threatened by them-but violates the logic of realpolitik and alienates most of America's other allies. Beyond the region, US policy on nuclear weapons proliferation is undermined by the double standard that has led it to ignore Israel's nuclear programme while condemning those of India and Pakistan.
It's really funny that you actually believe any of the tripe you posted at me has any sort of insight.
I'm in college, that much you've brilliantly deducted (something I make quite obvious generally), but other than that your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.
For every hippie on the West Mall crying about rabbits being used for experiments there are 40 students that walk by him not giving a shit.
You'll notice I haven't made blanket statements as to Rashumon's or anyone else's motives or how they are as a person, because I'm not stupid enough to think that I can
(Phish sucks worse than the Grateful Dead, (if that's possible), PETA is for freaks, **** the whales right in the blowhole, animal research is good because it means humans don't get hurt as much, blacks don't 'deserve' reparations, anything else?)
Why ? what have I done do deserve extermination ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs?
I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs? </strong><hr></blockquote>
WTF ? you Idiots its not from me can you not read ?
its not my pathetic style to go hahahaha like an ape.. i just rumble on about the facts untill you're all too tired to argue...
and besides you morons it says something like sqione or some such name... yes I know you guys are half wits and illiterates but FFS READ the name before you nuke me .... please, you'll end up killing some innocent Palestinians along the way <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[quote] It's really funny that you actually believe any of the tripe you posted at me has any sort of insight.
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No?no I don't think that at all. In fact I've said nothing of any value to you. All I did was assult you with silly banter in hopes of getting a cheap thrill, from a tired issue, at the early hours of the morning.
[quote] your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.
<hr></blockquote>
Well maybe it is?I'll never tell?
Look dude, No offense?I'm tired of the whole Israel Palestine thing?few messages on this thread offer anything useful. Most of them attempt to sound moderate so as not to offend anyone. So far we've established that war is bad, Both sides are wrong, they should both stop and the news media lies to us. Other than all that already obvious stuff I don't see what more there is to say.
I don't know where you intend to go in this world but I wish you luck at what you do, unless of course it's sick and twisted?
Comments
I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.
What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.
Please, rub it in no further, the pain... oh dear God... the pain.
<strong>
Yeah! you know we shouldn't burden the Saudis for their oil. They should just sell it to the Arab nomads instead while we "Mandate" a step back to antiquity and use candles and beef blubber for light Do you think we can power our macs with manure?.
I mean while were at it we might as well "mandate" no racism. And what the hell mandate no swearing. Why not mandate space travel, but it could backfire cause we might need oil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Give me a freaking break. I simply asked for a mandate for the increase of fuel efficiency for new cars. The US gets between 30% and 40% of our oil from the middle east. Raising fuel efficiency and *gasp* conserving energy can help us gain or independence from the drug called oil that they peddle. Try responding intelligently next time and leave the sarcasm at home.
<hr></blockquote>
Don't you think we have enough mandates already?
How about you walk to the frickin store once in a while or take the bus or train. Isn't that conserving enough for you. Hey try reading a book or playing a board game instead of watching tv if you really care.
Instead a select few will impose their will on us further by stripping away yet some more freedoms in the name of the ever popular energy crisis.
The standards would be ineffective at best if even possible so don't kid yourself. You know the fuels of today contain more toxins and poisonous ingredients than they ever had.
For example If you've ever siphoned anything then you know you are bound to taste that liquid whatever it may be. If you would have siphoned some gasoline (with lead) in the 50's you would doubtless get a mouthfull of it when it was ready to make its tranfer. No big deal a bad taste. Spit it out and continue on with your gas transferring activity.
Now try that same trick with some of today's Federally mandated "cleaner" high-quality gasoline.
When you get out of the hospital drop me a post .I'd love to hear about all the adventures of safer gas thanks to federal mandates.
Hey do you have a new toilet by chance? Well if so it's federally mandated too. It can only hold 1.3 gallons of water at a time. The bad old toilets held 3 gallons of water. When you flushed, a whole bunch of extra water went to waste. We could have given that water to the Ethiopians. Oh but before I forget, the new toilets can't handle as much TP so you may have to flush 2-3 times to get all the poopy down (lest your bowl be clogged) 2 or 3+1.3= either 2.6 (saves about a quart) or 3.9 (expends almost a gallon more)
But hey the toilet industry is happy they got to sell all new toilets to the world. Have you seen the front loading washing machine at the local laundro mat well those are a whole nother story well have to discuss later?after you retort.
Remeber kids Mandates=Gateways to less freedom.
or independence from the drug called oil
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ? That's good!
eh?It could happen when the fuel business is no longer profitable.
[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: skaione ]</p>
<strong>Don't waste your time with groverat?rashumon. .........
Unfortunately in a free society we're free to say what we want and mindless fools are free to believe it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would have thought that was a very fortunate thing in fact- his ability to say crap all day :cool: is what's so great about the free system we have in our countries . I have no problem with g'dold Groover saying whats on his mind ....
Lucky for all of us we don't live in a system like most Arabs (including Palestinians ) live in where the slightest deviation from the accepted line causes great trouble to people and might even get them<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1945000/1945098.stm"; target="_blank"> killed</a>
I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.
<hr></blockquote>
LOL <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Yer too funnyÂ?But I hate to tell youÂ?I do have you pegged. No bugs necessaryÂ?Â*It's as clear as a Phish song being broadcast from the campus station.
[quote]What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.
<hr></blockquote>
You could be a Straight Edge PETA supporter. I don't know for certainÂ? gimme one more sarcastic "Oh darn foiled again" retort and then I'll know for sure.
<a href="http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?sec=publications&pg=article&pubID=779&Ar t1=go" target="_blank">http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?sec=publications&pg=article&pubID=779&Ar t1=go</a>
Until recently, america's middle east policy was a peripheral part of its global strategy, which focused on preventing the Soviet Union from intimidating US allies in western Europe and east Asia. Britain was the dominant western power in the middle east until the 1960s, and US influence was countered in much of the region by the Soviet Union until the end of the cold war. The indifference of much of the national security elite and the public to the region, in between crises, permitted US policy to be dominated by two US domestic lobbies, one ethnic and one economic-the Israel lobby and the oil industry (which occasionally clashed over issues like US weapons sales to Saudi Arabia).
Times have changed. The collapse of the Soviet empire created a power vacuum which has been filled by the US, first in the Persian Gulf following the Gulf war, and now in central Asia as a result of the Afghan war. Today the middle east is becoming the centre of US foreign policy-a fact illustrated in the most shocking way by the al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. A debate within the US over the goals and methods of American policy in the middle east is long overdue. Unfortunately, an uninhibited debate is not taking place, because of the disproportionate influence of the Israel lobby. Today the Israel lobby distorts US foreign policy in a number of ways. Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, enabled by US weapons and money, inflames anti-American attitudes in Arab and Muslim countries. The expansion of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land makes a mockery of the US commitment to self-determination for Kosovo, East Timor and Tibet. The US strategy of dual containment of Iraq and Iran, pleases Israel-which is most threatened by them-but violates the logic of realpolitik and alienates most of America's other allies. Beyond the region, US policy on nuclear weapons proliferation is undermined by the double standard that has led it to ignore Israel's nuclear programme while condemning those of India and Pakistan.
..............it continues
I'm in college, that much you've brilliantly deducted (something I make quite obvious generally), but other than that your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.
For every hippie on the West Mall crying about rabbits being used for experiments there are 40 students that walk by him not giving a shit.
You'll notice I haven't made blanket statements as to Rashumon's or anyone else's motives or how they are as a person, because I'm not stupid enough to think that I can
(Phish sucks worse than the Grateful Dead, (if that's possible), PETA is for freaks, **** the whales right in the blowhole, animal research is good because it means humans don't get hurt as much, blacks don't 'deserve' reparations, anything else?)
<strong>would the world be a better place if someone simply nuked rashumon
Why ? what have I done do deserve extermination ?
<strong>
Why ? what have I done do deserve extermination ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs?
<strong>
I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs?
WTF ? you Idiots its not from me can you not read ?
its not my pathetic style to go hahahaha like an ape.. i just rumble on about the facts untill you're all too tired to argue...
and besides you morons it says something like sqione or some such name... yes I know you guys are half wits and illiterates but FFS READ the name before you nuke me .... please, you'll end up killing some innocent Palestinians along the way <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<hr></blockquote>
No?no I don't think that at all. In fact I've said nothing of any value to you. All I did was assult you with silly banter in hopes of getting a cheap thrill, from a tired issue, at the early hours of the morning.
[quote] your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.
<hr></blockquote>
Well maybe it is?I'll never tell?
Look dude, No offense?I'm tired of the whole Israel Palestine thing?few messages on this thread offer anything useful. Most of them attempt to sound moderate so as not to offend anyone. So far we've established that war is bad, Both sides are wrong, they should both stop and the news media lies to us. Other than all that already obvious stuff I don't see what more there is to say.
I don't know where you intend to go in this world but I wish you luck at what you do, unless of course it's sick and twisted?
thanks for playing, please drive thru?
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
oops on the formatting
(note the time then apply it to EST)