Apple used to manufacture most of it's Macs in the US. It owned the factories. Even if wages weren't an issue, Apple wouldn't want to own factories anymore because of accounting reasons. For example, until Apple receives shipment of Macs from a third party it doesn't have to account for that product as inventory for accounting purposes. When it owns the factories it has to count Macs sitting around at the factory as product it owns and that offers accounting problems for Apple.
There are no manufacturers left in the US that could make Apple product. A factory would have to be set up. There are few people left in the US who know how to set those factories up. Many of the so called Green Jobs that are supposedly going to save our economy are facing problems trying to set factories up here because very few people are capable of doing this. Further, in China the government subsidizes the creation of the factory. In America, the third party manufacturer would have to come up with the money.
Wages were never an issue in the US. It was the height of the economic boom of the 80s that greedy manufacturers lobbied Congress for Free Trade agreements so they could take advantage of both tax breaks and free labor overseas to make more money. The cost of products have not dropped significantly. Only the profit has risen. That extra profit is what used to pay for government services and keep Americans employed.
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Originally Posted by Cpsro
Assuming security wasn't an issue, I'd be curious to know how much it would cost to manufacture an iPhone or iPad in the U.S.
[/QUOTE]There are no manufacturers left in the US that could make Apple product. A factory would have to be set up. There are few people left in the US who know how to set those factories up.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't really seem to make sense as American companies set up the factories overseas. Didn't we Invent factories? Not to mention we do have thousands upon thousands of factories here in the US.
Not to mention American businesses open thousands of Storefronts and restaurants all over the world...
The amount of money they get paid is typical of China...you all should come over here and take a look at the the definition of over-employment...go into any given store, groups of employees are just standing around talking...my favorite is the mob of women (about 7 of 'em) whose job is it to promote and sell some toothpaste in the local equivalent of walmart. Keep them employed and complacent...cost of living should be considered...I live in a 85 sq.meter apartment for 2200¥ a month (actually it used to be 2000¥ a month until our landlord raised it and I am NOT a happy camper about that )...at a 6.7¥/$1 exchange rate do the math...try touching that stateside without being crack, gang, and rat infested.
Anyway American Chinese food is a helluva lot better, the monoplized Internet is high speed and slow as molasses, they pay MORE for their Apple products in China (even with the tax built in...provided it isn't a well disguised knock-off)), and where the HELL is a full blown version of QQ for Mac (I hate the lite version...piss poor)
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There are no manufacturers left in the US that could make Apple product. A factory would have to be set up. There are few people left in the US who know how to set those factories up.
Having been involved in the setup of a number of semiconductor factories in the US, I can say that I know a lot of people who could setup a much simpler manufacturing process as making consumer electronics.
Does anyone in this forum want to throw me some venture capital? Because I have found THEE money maker of a niche in the land of silk & CCTV...There are NO honest to goodness gay bars to be found...unless you chalk up the speakeasy flavor...cm'on, who wants to be a real pioneer? Who's "man" enough?...tongue and cheek boys...don't get yer panties in a bunch...bring it Rambos of the forum in all your glory and righteous might.
Does anyone in this forum want to throw me some venture capital? Because I have found THEE money maker of a niche in the land of silk & CCTV...There are NO honest to goodness gay bars to be found...unless you chalk up the speakeasy flavor...cm'on, who wants to be a real pioneer? Who's "man" enough?...tongue and cheek boys...don't get yer panties in a bunch...bring it Rambos of the forum in all your glory and righteous might.
Your idea is a yuan for me....but I hope it bears a Fruit for you.
We need to boycott Foxconn products until they improve their labor practices! We are the ones funding the exploitation.
Why pick on Foxconn, why not boycott all Asian, Latin American, and Eastern European factories. Also, include any US based sweat shops, especially the ones that use illegal immigrants.
Apple ensures that the factories they use pay fair wages and provide adequate accommodations. I'm not sure what these guys are doing.
Perhaps feeling that the laws idea of 'fair wages and adequate accommodations' isn't. Remember these people sleep 6-8 in a room and use communal bathrooms. Some prisons aren't that tight.
As for the whole 'we didn't sell' stuff. Perhaps they didn't. One wonders if these pieces were in storage or perhaps were taken off the truck at a recycling center contracted to destroy them for FoxConn and sold by those folks.
90% of you here dont even know the state of china. But just some fact, that payment plus free food, drinks, health care and housing. And last time i checked, it was closer to 2000 then 1000 RMB.
Dont like it? They could move to other parts of china. There is millions of people in china willing to work for Foxcon for these payments.
P.S - While i would love to have them paid better, the reality is they are paid quite fairly. ( Considering their benefits. ) People from US are having fed too much information on China RMB undervaluation.
90% of you here dont even know the state of china. But just some fact, that payment plus free food, drinks, health care and housing. And last time i checked, it was closer to 2000 then 1000 RMB.
Dont like it? They could move to other parts of china. There is millions of people in china willing to work for Foxcon for these payments.
P.S - While i would love to have them paid better, the reality is they are paid quite fairly. ( Considering their benefits. ) People from US are having fed too much information on China RMB undervaluation.
It's nice to see Chinese workers becoming somewhat Americanized when it comes to their attitude to improve their lives though better wages and grouping together against their employer.
On another side note, personally I could care less if they are protesting because foxconn is doing a little corporate restructuring, get used to it people... that's business !
I guess you don't give a shit about people committing suicide over these poor wages they earn a month.You call that trying to be Amercanized! Give me a break please.
LOL. Have you been to China? I doubt it. I have. They work long hours, with no overtime pay. Further, the subsidized housing is to compensate from not being paid enough to afford anything else. Forget having a family as you live in a big dorm room with multiple bunks.
Yes, I have. Many times. I've also seen the villages they come from and it's much, much better in the factories and "dorms".
Also, they don't worry about having a family when they go to work in the factories, they make their money then return to their villages richer than they could ever imagine, which allows them to get married and make babies.
What is your particular problem? Going to China is not the magical mystery tour it used to be.
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There are no manufacturers left in the US that could make Apple product. A factory would have to be set up. There are few people left in the US who know how to set those factories up. Many of the so called Green Jobs that are supposedly going to save our economy are facing problems trying to set factories up here because very few people are capable of doing this. Further, in China the government subsidizes the creation of the factory. In America, the third party manufacturer would have to come up with the money.
Wages were never an issue in the US. It was the height of the economic boom of the 80s that greedy manufacturers lobbied Congress for Free Trade agreements so they could take advantage of both tax breaks and free labor overseas to make more money. The cost of products have not dropped significantly. Only the profit has risen. That extra profit is what used to pay for government services and keep Americans employed.
Assuming security wasn't an issue, I'd be curious to know how much it would cost to manufacture an iPhone or iPad in the U.S.
This doesn't really seem to make sense as American companies set up the factories overseas. Didn't we Invent factories? Not to mention we do have thousands upon thousands of factories here in the US.
Not to mention American businesses open thousands of Storefronts and restaurants all over the world...
Anyway American Chinese food is a helluva lot better, the monoplized Internet is high speed and slow as molasses, they pay MORE for their Apple products in China (even with the tax built in...provided it isn't a well disguised knock-off)), and where the HELL is a full blown version of QQ for Mac (I hate the lite version...piss poor)
There are no manufacturers left in the US that could make Apple product. A factory would have to be set up. There are few people left in the US who know how to set those factories up.
Having been involved in the setup of a number of semiconductor factories in the US, I can say that I know a lot of people who could setup a much simpler manufacturing process as making consumer electronics.
Does anyone in this forum want to throw me some venture capital? Because I have found THEE money maker of a niche in the land of silk & CCTV...There are NO honest to goodness gay bars to be found...unless you chalk up the speakeasy flavor...cm'on, who wants to be a real pioneer? Who's "man" enough?...tongue and cheek boys...don't get yer panties in a bunch...bring it Rambos of the forum in all your glory and righteous might.
Good luck with that!
Apple ensures that the factories they use pay fair wages and provide adequate accommodations. I'm not sure what these guys are doing.
And in other news Santa Claus and the tooth fairy were seen together at an Elvis concert.
Does anyone in this forum want to throw me some venture capital? Because I have found THEE money maker of a niche in the land of silk & CCTV...There are NO honest to goodness gay bars to be found...unless you chalk up the speakeasy flavor...cm'on, who wants to be a real pioneer? Who's "man" enough?...tongue and cheek boys...don't get yer panties in a bunch...bring it Rambos of the forum in all your glory and righteous might.
Your idea is a yuan for me....but I hope it bears a Fruit for you.
This is pure rationalization. No wonder we ship jobs to countries like this. They exploit the workforce, and we rationalize it.
We need to boycott Foxconn products until they improve their labor practices! We are the ones funding the exploitation.
We need to boycott Foxconn products until they improve their labor practices! We are the ones funding the exploitation.
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We need to boycott Foxconn products until they improve their labor practices! We are the ones funding the exploitation.
Why pick on Foxconn, why not boycott all Asian, Latin American, and Eastern European factories. Also, include any US based sweat shops, especially the ones that use illegal immigrants.
Apple ensures that the factories they use pay fair wages and provide adequate accommodations. I'm not sure what these guys are doing.
Perhaps feeling that the laws idea of 'fair wages and adequate accommodations' isn't. Remember these people sleep 6-8 in a room and use communal bathrooms. Some prisons aren't that tight.
As for the whole 'we didn't sell' stuff. Perhaps they didn't. One wonders if these pieces were in storage or perhaps were taken off the truck at a recycling center contracted to destroy them for FoxConn and sold by those folks.
Dont like it? They could move to other parts of china. There is millions of people in china willing to work for Foxcon for these payments.
P.S - While i would love to have them paid better, the reality is they are paid quite fairly. ( Considering their benefits. ) People from US are having fed too much information on China RMB undervaluation.
We need to boycott Foxconn products until they improve their labor practices! We are the ones funding the exploitation.
And that would include Sony PlayStation, Nintendo Wii and quite a number of PC models like Dell, I believe.
Still interested?
90% of you here dont even know the state of china. But just some fact, that payment plus free food, drinks, health care and housing. And last time i checked, it was closer to 2000 then 1000 RMB.
Dont like it? They could move to other parts of china. There is millions of people in china willing to work for Foxcon for these payments.
P.S - While i would love to have them paid better, the reality is they are paid quite fairly. ( Considering their benefits. ) People from US are having fed too much information on China RMB undervaluation.
Did you even read the report I posted?
Many more Apple stores will open in China and sales is surging.
Given a choice, would you like to work at Foxconn or at the Apple store in China?
It's nice to see Chinese workers becoming somewhat Americanized when it comes to their attitude to improve their lives though better wages and grouping together against their employer.
On another side note, personally I could care less if they are protesting because foxconn is doing a little corporate restructuring, get used to it people... that's business !
I guess you don't give a shit about people committing suicide over these poor wages they earn a month.You call that trying to be Amercanized! Give me a break please.
All these companies whose using Foxconn ( Sony, Dell, HP, Apple and many others) to try to gain an extra buck should be ashamed of themselves.
factory workers. They have to learn to stand up
for themselves is they feel that they are being
mistreated. Foxconn cannot afford to lose 7,000
employees. Training new ones will take longer and
cost a lot of dough.
LOL. Have you been to China? I doubt it. I have. They work long hours, with no overtime pay. Further, the subsidized housing is to compensate from not being paid enough to afford anything else. Forget having a family as you live in a big dorm room with multiple bunks.
Yes, I have. Many times. I've also seen the villages they come from and it's much, much better in the factories and "dorms".
Also, they don't worry about having a family when they go to work in the factories, they make their money then return to their villages richer than they could ever imagine, which allows them to get married and make babies.
What is your particular problem? Going to China is not the magical mystery tour it used to be.