But...but...but...I don't *want* a playbook. Mommy, make the nasty man stop. Call Santa Steve - he has my toy list!
Thank goodness Playbook isn't coming out by Christmas. What a coal in the stocking that would be! I pity though the poor bast*rds who wake up to a Samsung Galaxy Tab.
As specs goes, it?s very close to the Samsung Galaxy TAB, but there are notable differences: no 3G (will need a Blackberry Smartphone to connect to Internet in areas with no WiFi Hotspots),
DOA Steve Jobs called it. LOL !
7? LCD, 1024 x 600, WSVGA, capacitive touch screen with full multitouch and gesture support
BlackBerry Tablet OS with support for symmetric multiprocessing
1 GHz dual-core processor
1 GB RAM
Dual HD cameras (3 MP front facing, 5 MP rear facing), supports 1080p HD video recording
Video playback: 1080p HD Video, H.264, MPEG, DivX, WMV
As specs goes, it?s very close to the Samsung Galaxy TAB, but there are notable differences: no 3G ([SIZE="3"]will need a Blackberry Smartphone to connect to Internet in areas with no WiFi Hotspots),
Wow... never knew that it doesn't have capacity to put a SIM in it. To me the only way to have a tablet is with a mobile connection so you can access whatever you want when you need it.
I actually think that RIM is doing the correct thing with the Playbook and the OS - a proper tablet OS, not tweaking Android, or *shudder* forcing Windows 7 to run on it.
However it has got a lesser specification than the iPad with the 7" display, so it needs to undercut the iPad. That is only going to happen if iPad 2 costs more (because of extra features) now. Why would I pick the Playbook over the iPad otherwise?
Oh, there's the dual-core 1GHz processor - that will be nice in a multitasking environment. But iPad 2 is surely going to utilise something similar.
There's 1GB of RAM - a major advantage - except the iPad gets by with 256MB just fine, and iPad 2 will surely have 512MB at least.
The MicroHDMI port is nice - Apple need to up their game on HDMI support for iPad, even if it is a part of the standard iPad 2 dock range.
Flash ... except Flash sucks on mobile devices.
Cameras are good - iPad 2 will have these (surely). 5MP and 3MP for the playbook, but does the front "facebook" camera need to be 3MP!
Software... iPad is likely to win hands down because it is more mature, massive library, and the built-in software has Apple's ease of use and, in some cases, nearly ten years of usability knowledge applied.
Personally I think the Playbook should be $299 for the 7" 8GB version. I mean, in the end it's essentially a netbook without a keyboard (cheaper casing) and using a vastly cheaper processor solution and with fewer moving parts.
The praybook's impressive CPU and ram will get minimized by flash being an integral development tool for praybook.
Microhdmi for iPad? No way - having the ability to stream to apple tv is much nicer.
We are in the process of putting together a few videos showing side by side comparisons of the current tablets. I have always been a huge fan of the iPad, yet the PlayBook may be that real competition
.
Thank you for picking this up. There are many more exciting exclusives on the way. More video in the cue.
Up until I bought an 11" MacBook Air, I was carrying around a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, and an iPad. I loved them all, and used them for different things. When I got used to the new Air, I sold the Pro and the iPad. Based on this experience, I wonder exactly what niche it is that the PlayBook or any other 7" tablet is hoping to fill. It isn't a phone, it isn't really a tablet in the sense of an iPad, and it definitely isn' a computer. So basically, anyone who needs telephony and a computer and a PlayBook is carrying 3 devices around. For me having the iPhone in my pocket and the Air in a sleeve gives me very little to carry, and all the power to do everything I could ever want.
Bottom line: I don't think its the iPad that is going to kill the PlayBook, its the MacBook Air. As usual, Apple's competitors are reacting to the wrong threat. The marketplace defined netbooks primarily based on their performace, and Apple has redefined them based on form factor and weight without the corresponding lethargic performance.
I don't think it would have made much difference. You notice how RIM's stuff is almost always "buy one get one free" in the forth quarter? That brings their numbers up for that all important time. But if they didn't, their numbers might be 20% lower. I really don't think it will matter. But then, I don't see this as doing great no matter what.
At the same time, we are also talking about this week European carriers saying that they are going to subsidize the ipad.
7 inch display with 16 GB will be 499? Good luck selling.
And don't forget about how you can only tether to a Blackberry for 3g etc.
And the comments from RIM suggesting that they have no intentions (despite what the analysts say) of ever doing built in 3g/4g. Cause hey they are selling to business customers and they all use blackberries so they don't need built in.
All that is going to make things tricky. I applaud RIM for not trying to trump the ipad in the consumer market but I have my doubts that they will really take over the business sales either. Because I"m not sure they are really looking at what business customers need and rather are just doing things as different from the ipad as they can.
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Originally Posted by Cpsro
"The PlayBook is expected to go on sale around the same time in early 2011."
Oops! Too late!
Early Calendar 2011, not fiscal (which for some companies like Apple has already started)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Underhill
That depends on how they intend to deliver content. Imagine when/if Apple introduce a cloud based streaming model for movies, 32 Gb is going to be more than enough.
they already do to a degree by allowing apps for hulu, netflix etc
And if they go full cloud for video and even audio, 16 GB will be more than enough for many.
I myself got a 16 for my personal use and even with tossing a couple of tv show eps and a movie on there don't scratch the surface on using up all the space. So I feel okay about that choice. Now if an ipad 2.0 comes out with the whole camera set up for recording I might go higher. Because then I might be sucking up more storage several days a week. This is what happens with my work ipad because I"m often offloading photos and even sometimes video onto it to send to the other unit. So it's good that the boss got the 64 GB models.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
ot want to miss the significant purchasing power of millions of iPad customers and either create apps or deliver their stuff via HTML/H.264. This is already happening on the video-side of things.
Well the porn industry is thinking that way and given what a large group that is . . .
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHOBIZ
It's Okay, I know I am not allowed to say anything that is not glowing of Apple
There is a vast difference between saying "I wish Apple had done this" or "I'm not sure that X is the best way to go" or even "Rule Y in the SDK is confusing" versus "Apple is crap and you are all morons".
Guess which one is the not cool one. Especially when you are on a Pro Apple site.
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism
On an unrelated matter, the TJ Maxx/Marshalls pricing is confusing. First of all, I thought official retailers had contracts that regulated how much below retail they could sell items for. Secondly, why so low when even at, say, $480 I think they would have sold out about as quickly.
1. They are not an authorized retailer. Jobs has stated this for the record. Likely because he wants to make sure no one tries to come into the stores and demand a price match this weekend. Second because there is a question of whether Apple has to stand by the warranty on those units. It is possible that perhaps they don't.
2. the price is that low because they are doing this to draw folks into the stores to buy other things. The dominant theory is that some authorized retailer had an overflow of 16GB that they can't return to Apple and don't expect to sell. So they sold them at cost to TJMaxx to recover that money and clear out room for other things. TJMaxx is selling them at that cost to recover their money and draw folks into the stores. Places like Costco do the same thing when they sell gift cards at a discount. They are hoping you will go there to get your $25 itunes card for $15 and while you are there, pick up $200 in other stuff.
At the same time, we are also talking about this week European carriers saying that they are going to subsidize the ipad.
Not seeing the relevance. Subsidized pricing against a contract is pretty standard stuff, giving stuff away to try and drive market share is quite another.
For instance, I might see Samsung TVs on sale for 15% off , or bundled with a free accessory, and that would seem like a "sale" or "promotion". if I consistently see a competitor's brand in huge stacks being sold for less than cost or given away as an adjunct to some other product, I would assume they're not selling well and are more or less being dumped, or at the very least that they weren't worth very much.
I realize handsets are sort of a special case, but once you start down the BOGO route you really do a number on your perception of value and quality. I suspect that no one is going to look at subsidized iPads and wonder if they're just cheap kit.
Not seeing the relevance. Subsidized pricing against a contract is pretty standard stuff, giving stuff away to try and drive market share is quite another.
For instance, I might see Samsung TVs on sale for 15% off , or bundled with a free accessory, and that would seem like a "sale" or "promotion". if I consistently see a competitor's brand in huge stacks being sold for less than cost or given away as an adjunct to some other product, I would assume they're not selling well and are more or less being dumped, or at the very least that they weren't worth very much.
I realize handsets are sort of a special case, but once you start down the BOGO route you really do a number on your perception of value and quality. I suspect that no one is going to look at subsidized iPads and wonder if they're just cheap kit.
Sales promotion is sales promotion.
It's the carriers that are doing BOGO and/or subsidies. RIM has nothing to do with it.
The question isn't --- no one is oing to look at subsidized ipads and wonder if they are just cheap kit --- the question is whether people would buy an unsubsidized ipad.
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1758618]Research in Motion......??? You mean Research in SLOW-Motion....these guys are gonna cut the price of their iRipOffBook tablet to $399 ??? Just watch them FAIL....I know far too many consumers and corporate big wigs who would buy an iPad over a RiM iRipOffBook ....even for $ 100 more in price. Those guys at Rim make me laugh....just watch them get kicked out of their co-President's positions wihin 3 years...!
It's the carriers that are doing BOGO and/or subsidies. RIM has nothing to do with it.
The question isn't --- no one is oing to look at subsidized ipads and wonder if they are just cheap kit --- the question is whether people would buy an unsubsidized ipad.
I disagree that a promotion is a promotion. BOGO is different from a subsidized purchase price with a contract. I'm talking sales psychology here; see my post above for how I think that works.
But then if the question is whether or not people will buy an iPad at an unsubsidized price, then, obviously, yes.
Perhaps a more interesting question is whether or not RIM's sales would be cut in half if they weren't giving away every other handset.
I disagree that a promotion is a promotion. BOGO is different from a subsidized purchase price with a contract. I'm talking sales psychology here; see my post above for how I think that works.
But then if the question is whether or not people will buy an iPad at an unsubsidized price, then, obviously, yes.
Perhaps a more interesting question is whether or not RIM's sales would be cut in half if they weren't giving away every other handset.
But it isn't sold at less than cost. RIM still has the second highest profit margin in the industry.
iPhones don't change prices throughout the year, even the week before a new model comes out --- does it mean that it is "worth" more? No. Is it "worth" less just because an android phone price drops to $99 after 3 months? No.
The question is how much sales get hit by not subsidizing the ipad and/or not doing BOGO.
The question is how much sales get hit by not subsidizing the ipad and/or not doing BOGO.
That's easy! The answers are None and None!
Until the very end of September (the last period for which we have sales figures) the iPad was supply constrained -- to the point it was not offered in some countries and not sold through some channel partners.
Only a fool would suggest not discounting under these condition would negatively "hit" sales.
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Apple sold 4.2 million of its new tablet-style computer during the fiscal fourth quarter, fewer than the approximately 5 million that analysts, on average, had expected.
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Sales of the iPad might have been constrained by supply issues. Oppenheimer said the company was able to increase production of the iPad toward the end of the quarter.
Apple did just get it's channel inventory aligned at the end of September, though there were a few momentary blips -- Apple Store shipments went from 24 hours to 3 days for several days.
Further, Apple is anticipating very large iPad sales during the holidays -- so they had approximately 2 months to add resellers, build inventory, and stock the channel for the anticipated sales.
You, obviously, have no concept of how manufacturing and the supply chain works. It isn't magic -- it's hard work: analysis, planning, reporting, and execution -- with the built-in agility to adjust to conditions. Apple, and especially Tim Cook are masters at this -- that's Tim's job!
Apple sometimes misses the mark, but it's usually on the conservative side.
Others miss the mark, flood the channel -- then discount or BOGO their product... making it even less desirable.
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Half the storage and half the screen for only 80% of the price!
That sounds like a good deal, doesn't it ... ?
exactly right
Maylong's M-150 may undercut Apple iPad and RIM's PlayBook at $129.
So there. A winner has been declared in the tablet race to the bottom!
NETTAB
SPECIFICATIONS
CPU: ARM9(VM8505+)
Memory - RAM: 256MB
Memory - Flash: 2GB built-in flash drive
Display - Touch Panel: 7-inch TFT LCD
Display: Resolution 800 X 480 Pixels
WIFI: 802.11b/g
Camera: 0.3M Pixels
Input/Output - Touch Panel: Resistive touch panel
Input/Output - Speaker: Two built-in loud speakers, 1W
Input/Output - SD Card: Micro-SD card slot
Input/Output - Network/USB: Dongle for RJ45 network and USB connection
Buttons/Switches: Power On/Off, Speakers volume Up/Down
Battery: Built-in Li-Polymer battery
Charger - Input: DC 110-220V AC
Charger - Output: DC 9V DC
INCLUDED
One Tablet M-150 device
One A/C home charger
One Dongle for RJ45 network and USB connections
One Stylus
One User's manual
But...but...but...I don't *want* a playbook. Mommy, make the nasty man stop. Call Santa Steve - he has my toy list!
Thank goodness Playbook isn't coming out by Christmas. What a coal in the stocking that would be! I pity though the poor bast*rds who wake up to a Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Lovin' 4.2 and multitasking on iPad.
DOA Steve Jobs called it. LOL !
7? LCD, 1024 x 600, WSVGA, capacitive touch screen with full multitouch and gesture support
BlackBerry Tablet OS with support for symmetric multiprocessing
1 GHz dual-core processor
1 GB RAM
Dual HD cameras (3 MP front facing, 5 MP rear facing), supports 1080p HD video recording
Video playback: 1080p HD Video, H.264, MPEG, DivX, WMV
Audio playback: MP3, AAC, WMA
HDMI video output
Wi-Fi ? 802.11 a/b/g/n
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Connectors: microHDMI, microUSB, charging contacts
Open, flexible application platform with support for WebKit/HTML-5, Adobe Flash Player 10.1, Adobe Mobile AIR, Adobe Reader, POSIX, OpenGL, Java
Measures 5.1?x7.6?x0.4? (130mm x 193mm x 10mm)
Weighs less than a pound (approximately 0.9 lb or 400g)
Source > http://www.alltouchtablet.com/articl...h-tablet-5263/
As specs goes, it?s very close to the Samsung Galaxy TAB, but there are notable differences: no 3G ([SIZE="3"]will need a Blackberry Smartphone to connect to Internet in areas with no WiFi Hotspots),
Source > http://www.alltouchtablet.com/articl...h-tablet-5263/
Wow... never knew that it doesn't have capacity to put a SIM in it. To me the only way to have a tablet is with a mobile connection so you can access whatever you want when you need it.
I actually think that RIM is doing the correct thing with the Playbook and the OS - a proper tablet OS, not tweaking Android, or *shudder* forcing Windows 7 to run on it.
However it has got a lesser specification than the iPad with the 7" display, so it needs to undercut the iPad. That is only going to happen if iPad 2 costs more (because of extra features) now. Why would I pick the Playbook over the iPad otherwise?
Oh, there's the dual-core 1GHz processor - that will be nice in a multitasking environment. But iPad 2 is surely going to utilise something similar.
There's 1GB of RAM - a major advantage - except the iPad gets by with 256MB just fine, and iPad 2 will surely have 512MB at least.
The MicroHDMI port is nice - Apple need to up their game on HDMI support for iPad, even if it is a part of the standard iPad 2 dock range.
Flash ... except Flash sucks on mobile devices.
Cameras are good - iPad 2 will have these (surely). 5MP and 3MP for the playbook, but does the front "facebook" camera need to be 3MP!
Software... iPad is likely to win hands down because it is more mature, massive library, and the built-in software has Apple's ease of use and, in some cases, nearly ten years of usability knowledge applied.
Personally I think the Playbook should be $299 for the 7" 8GB version. I mean, in the end it's essentially a netbook without a keyboard (cheaper casing) and using a vastly cheaper processor solution and with fewer moving parts.
The praybook's impressive CPU and ram will get minimized by flash being an integral development tool for praybook.
Microhdmi for iPad? No way - having the ability to stream to apple tv is much nicer.
I'd rather see an SD slot first and foremost.
We are in the process of putting together a few videos showing side by side comparisons of the current tablets. I have always been a huge fan of the iPad, yet the PlayBook may be that real competition
.
Thank you for picking this up. There are many more exciting exclusives on the way. More video in the cue.
Have a great weekend.
Cheers,
Disposable Hero
Mobility Insider
www.mobilityinsider.com
I will wait for the next generation of iPad before considering a purchase.
RIM will take a loss on every unit but will make it up in volume.
I will wait for the next generation of iPad before considering a purchase.
Why? Even current iPad is hands down better.
RIM will take a loss on every unit but will make it up in volume.
I will wait for the next generation of iPad before considering a purchase.
How would volumes of "loss on every unit" make up for it?
Bottom line: I don't think its the iPad that is going to kill the PlayBook, its the MacBook Air. As usual, Apple's competitors are reacting to the wrong threat. The marketplace defined netbooks primarily based on their performace, and Apple has redefined them based on form factor and weight without the corresponding lethargic performance.
I don't think it would have made much difference. You notice how RIM's stuff is almost always "buy one get one free" in the forth quarter? That brings their numbers up for that all important time. But if they didn't, their numbers might be 20% lower. I really don't think it will matter. But then, I don't see this as doing great no matter what.
At the same time, we are also talking about this week European carriers saying that they are going to subsidize the ipad.
7 inch display with 16 GB will be 499? Good luck selling.
And don't forget about how you can only tether to a Blackberry for 3g etc.
And the comments from RIM suggesting that they have no intentions (despite what the analysts say) of ever doing built in 3g/4g. Cause hey they are selling to business customers and they all use blackberries so they don't need built in.
All that is going to make things tricky. I applaud RIM for not trying to trump the ipad in the consumer market but I have my doubts that they will really take over the business sales either. Because I"m not sure they are really looking at what business customers need and rather are just doing things as different from the ipad as they can.
"The PlayBook is expected to go on sale around the same time in early 2011."
Oops! Too late!
Early Calendar 2011, not fiscal (which for some companies like Apple has already started)
That depends on how they intend to deliver content. Imagine when/if Apple introduce a cloud based streaming model for movies, 32 Gb is going to be more than enough.
they already do to a degree by allowing apps for hulu, netflix etc
And if they go full cloud for video and even audio, 16 GB will be more than enough for many.
I myself got a 16 for my personal use and even with tossing a couple of tv show eps and a movie on there don't scratch the surface on using up all the space. So I feel okay about that choice. Now if an ipad 2.0 comes out with the whole camera set up for recording I might go higher. Because then I might be sucking up more storage several days a week. This is what happens with my work ipad because I"m often offloading photos and even sometimes video onto it to send to the other unit. So it's good that the boss got the 64 GB models.
ot want to miss the significant purchasing power of millions of iPad customers and either create apps or deliver their stuff via HTML/H.264. This is already happening on the video-side of things.
Well the porn industry is thinking that way and given what a large group that is . . .
It's Okay, I know I am not allowed to say anything that is not glowing of Apple
There is a vast difference between saying "I wish Apple had done this" or "I'm not sure that X is the best way to go" or even "Rule Y in the SDK is confusing" versus "Apple is crap and you are all morons".
Guess which one is the not cool one. Especially when you are on a Pro Apple site.
On an unrelated matter, the TJ Maxx/Marshalls pricing is confusing. First of all, I thought official retailers had contracts that regulated how much below retail they could sell items for. Secondly, why so low when even at, say, $480 I think they would have sold out about as quickly.
1. They are not an authorized retailer. Jobs has stated this for the record. Likely because he wants to make sure no one tries to come into the stores and demand a price match this weekend. Second because there is a question of whether Apple has to stand by the warranty on those units. It is possible that perhaps they don't.
2. the price is that low because they are doing this to draw folks into the stores to buy other things. The dominant theory is that some authorized retailer had an overflow of 16GB that they can't return to Apple and don't expect to sell. So they sold them at cost to TJMaxx to recover that money and clear out room for other things. TJMaxx is selling them at that cost to recover their money and draw folks into the stores. Places like Costco do the same thing when they sell gift cards at a discount. They are hoping you will go there to get your $25 itunes card for $15 and while you are there, pick up $200 in other stuff.
At the same time, we are also talking about this week European carriers saying that they are going to subsidize the ipad.
Not seeing the relevance. Subsidized pricing against a contract is pretty standard stuff, giving stuff away to try and drive market share is quite another.
For instance, I might see Samsung TVs on sale for 15% off , or bundled with a free accessory, and that would seem like a "sale" or "promotion". if I consistently see a competitor's brand in huge stacks being sold for less than cost or given away as an adjunct to some other product, I would assume they're not selling well and are more or less being dumped, or at the very least that they weren't worth very much.
I realize handsets are sort of a special case, but once you start down the BOGO route you really do a number on your perception of value and quality. I suspect that no one is going to look at subsidized iPads and wonder if they're just cheap kit.
Good one! I say good one because you followed up one inane analogy with an even more absurd statement that has nothing to do with this topic.
You obviously lack a sense of humor.
Not seeing the relevance. Subsidized pricing against a contract is pretty standard stuff, giving stuff away to try and drive market share is quite another.
For instance, I might see Samsung TVs on sale for 15% off , or bundled with a free accessory, and that would seem like a "sale" or "promotion". if I consistently see a competitor's brand in huge stacks being sold for less than cost or given away as an adjunct to some other product, I would assume they're not selling well and are more or less being dumped, or at the very least that they weren't worth very much.
I realize handsets are sort of a special case, but once you start down the BOGO route you really do a number on your perception of value and quality. I suspect that no one is going to look at subsidized iPads and wonder if they're just cheap kit.
Sales promotion is sales promotion.
It's the carriers that are doing BOGO and/or subsidies. RIM has nothing to do with it.
The question isn't --- no one is oing to look at subsidized ipads and wonder if they are just cheap kit --- the question is whether people would buy an unsubsidized ipad.
Sales promotion is sales promotion.
It's the carriers that are doing BOGO and/or subsidies. RIM has nothing to do with it.
The question isn't --- no one is oing to look at subsidized ipads and wonder if they are just cheap kit --- the question is whether people would buy an unsubsidized ipad.
I disagree that a promotion is a promotion. BOGO is different from a subsidized purchase price with a contract. I'm talking sales psychology here; see my post above for how I think that works.
But then if the question is whether or not people will buy an iPad at an unsubsidized price, then, obviously, yes.
Perhaps a more interesting question is whether or not RIM's sales would be cut in half if they weren't giving away every other handset.
I disagree that a promotion is a promotion. BOGO is different from a subsidized purchase price with a contract. I'm talking sales psychology here; see my post above for how I think that works.
But then if the question is whether or not people will buy an iPad at an unsubsidized price, then, obviously, yes.
Perhaps a more interesting question is whether or not RIM's sales would be cut in half if they weren't giving away every other handset.
But it isn't sold at less than cost. RIM still has the second highest profit margin in the industry.
iPhones don't change prices throughout the year, even the week before a new model comes out --- does it mean that it is "worth" more? No. Is it "worth" less just because an android phone price drops to $99 after 3 months? No.
The question is how much sales get hit by not subsidizing the ipad and/or not doing BOGO.
The question is how much sales get hit by not subsidizing the ipad and/or not doing BOGO.
That's easy! The answers are None and None!
Until the very end of September (the last period for which we have sales figures) the iPad was supply constrained -- to the point it was not offered in some countries and not sold through some channel partners.
Only a fool would suggest not discounting under these condition would negatively "hit" sales.
Apple sold 4.2 million of its new tablet-style computer during the fiscal fourth quarter, fewer than the approximately 5 million that analysts, on average, had expected.
*
*
*
Sales of the iPad might have been constrained by supply issues. Oppenheimer said the company was able to increase production of the iPad toward the end of the quarter.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101018/...us_earns_apple
Apple did just get it's channel inventory aligned at the end of September, though there were a few momentary blips -- Apple Store shipments went from 24 hours to 3 days for several days.
Further, Apple is anticipating very large iPad sales during the holidays -- so they had approximately 2 months to add resellers, build inventory, and stock the channel for the anticipated sales.
You, obviously, have no concept of how manufacturing and the supply chain works. It isn't magic -- it's hard work: analysis, planning, reporting, and execution -- with the built-in agility to adjust to conditions. Apple, and especially Tim Cook are masters at this -- that's Tim's job!
Apple sometimes misses the mark, but it's usually on the conservative side.
Others miss the mark, flood the channel -- then discount or BOGO their product... making it even less desirable.
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