there is a long range hope for WP7 - all the anti-Android litigation by Apple, Oracle, and MS
Oracle doesn't have a case, and at this late in the game, Apple didn't invent touch-based computing, and MS... is years behind the curve, but like to threaten the linux world every now and then with vague statements.
Android is the number one player right now, so that is where the money is (in google's pockets), so patent trolls flock to Android like moths to a flame. Witness Apple's alleged lawyering up for the same reason.
You really should look things up before saying what you think the meaning is. It's easy enough.
Based on your response, you didn?t get the meaning of dispassionate. The link in the article was to show that people weren?t impressed by the OS and the phones. It was equating dispassionate with lack of enthusiasm and negative response. The real meaning of dispassionate makes no sense in the context of the quote, unless the author was trying to say that the original reviews were objective and free from bias (in which case, why bother to say it at all?). Instead he was rather obviously trying to show that the initial reviews were negative or unimpressed, a very different proposition.
If you read and think about what you quoted, you?ll find that what I said was actually right. I know what the word means. A dispassionate review is one that objectively considers the issue and provides a conclusion based on the facts. A dispassionate review of the iPhone would list both its strong and its weak points and try to find an unbiased conclusion (which could be that it is the best phone on the planet right now). If anything, it is the opposite of fanboy boosterism.
I find it funny that you looked the word up in the dictionary to confirm what I already knew it meant and, if you?d actually thought about it for a few minutes, you would have realized that...
No one was disputing that Apple had some bumps in the road along the way, but there is and always has been good sales analytics and timely payments on Apple's part regarding their devs. Plus, there's also, you know, a viable market for said developers, unlike literally everything Microsoft has thrown out in the mobile space over the past 3 years.
Plus, what "vaporware" has Apple announced and not delivered? And no, simply a different color of an identical product that is out already and is uber-popular does not count.
MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch. Because the old OS was simply not worth updating with modern features. If MS (and Palm, by the way) had looked far enough ahead, they could have evolved their legacy OSes or planned a migration path from the old OS to the new OS. They could have beaten Apple to market with a multi-touch mobile OS.
Sounds like what Apple did back in Spring 2001 when they dumped OS9 and started fresh with OS X.
How about video? What can you see on various sites?
Good question. Right now when I open videos it will show me what I have on the phone and it will show me the last YouTube videos I watched. Just as if they were loaded on the phone. I have not tried any other sites yet.
MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch.
But... they didn't exactly do that, did they? I don't know for certain, but isn't WP7 based on WinCE 6
If it is truly a clean-sheet design - which would have been the right thing to do, though I disagree that's the "easiest path" - why imply it's version 7... of anything?
But... they didn't exactly do that, did they? I don't know for certain, but isn't WP7 based on WinCE 6
I?d say they did. If we don?t call the creation of WP7 a new OS over WM6 that isn?t compatible with any WM6 apps, then can we really call IOS a new OS over Mac OS X, since they use Darwin kernel.
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If it is truly a clean-sheet design - which would have been the right thing to do - why imply it's version 7... of anything?
Apple adopted NeXTSTEP for Mac OS and called it Mac OS ?Ten?.
Apple adopted NeXTSTEP for Mac OS and called it Mac OS “Ten”.
I understand, but OS 9 wasn't OS IX. Besides, I originally thought it was pronounced "oh sex" and who woudn't want that?
The progression from the name "Windows Mobile" - essentially Wince 6, followed by Windows Phone 7 hardly strikes me as an inspirational marketing idea.
It may be symbolic in nature, but Apple's progression from the numbered Classic OS versions to X to what I believe will just become known as iOS demonstrates their willingness to change and adapt. Symbolic or not, MSFT is demonstrating anything but.
Sort of... I mean, OS 9 wasn't OS IX. Besides, I originally thought it was pronounced "oh sex" and who woudn't want that?
I get your point, though "Windows Mobile" - essentially Wince 6, followed by Windows Phone 7 hardly strikes me as an inspirational marketing idea.
that’s just a representation of the word ’10’, it’s still listed as number 10. Just look at version and build numbers. The ‘X’ is really just marketing. It does denote a change, but X also makes it sound cool.
Bender: There's nothing wrong with murder. Just as long as you let Bender wet his beak.
Leela: You're blackmailing me?
Bender: Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer 'extortion'. The 'X' makes it sound cool.
Seriously? A crazy venture from 15 years ago is your example? Further, it wasn't even vaporware - it was actually manufactured but was an abject failure of Kin proportions.
that?s just a representation of the word ?10?, it?s still listed as number 10. Just look at version and build numbers. The ?X? is really just marketing. It does denote a change, but X also makes it sound cool.
I agree the name is primarily a marketing tool. If you really want to split hairs though, its releases are named OS X v10.x and so forth. For example Cheetah was OS X 10.0. Presumably version ten of OS X would be known as OS X v10.10, except I think they'll have run out of cats. In any event the X moniker would be sufficiently tired by then, while Microsoft will be marketing, what, Windows 12
Was there an equivalent version and build number for OS X Public Beta...? Considering it was preceded by OS X Server 1.0...?
I have to call BS on that. You're talking about features that took Apple 3 years to implement... and they control the hardware as well as software.
The impression I get is that Microsoft are throwing a lot of man hours at WP7, and from that they have an accelerated development cycle compared to other Microsoft products... but all of those features in just a few months of development... I just don't think it's possible. Certainly not when they need to test across multiple devices.
I think they will do Copy+Paste early next year (Jan/Feb) then stick to their 12 month release cycles.
Yeah, there was a story on Wired about WP7's development. They basically scrapped the entire design team and started fresh. It was the right thing to do. But yes, this is just the beginning for Microsoft. I expect them to keep releasing new features until they catch up with Android.
Their "do more with less clicks" sales pitch is an appealing one.
Yeah, I'll bet it really appeals to the grammar police! "do more with fewer clicks" would be the way to say it. But then no one ever accused MS of being intellectual...
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there is a long range hope for WP7 - all the anti-Android litigation by Apple, Oracle, and MS
Oracle doesn't have a case, and at this late in the game, Apple didn't invent touch-based computing, and MS... is years behind the curve, but like to threaten the linux world every now and then with vague statements.
Android is the number one player right now, so that is where the money is (in google's pockets), so patent trolls flock to Android like moths to a flame. Witness Apple's alleged lawyering up for the same reason.
You really should look things up before saying what you think the meaning is. It's easy enough.
Based on your response, you didn?t get the meaning of dispassionate. The link in the article was to show that people weren?t impressed by the OS and the phones. It was equating dispassionate with lack of enthusiasm and negative response. The real meaning of dispassionate makes no sense in the context of the quote, unless the author was trying to say that the original reviews were objective and free from bias (in which case, why bother to say it at all?). Instead he was rather obviously trying to show that the initial reviews were negative or unimpressed, a very different proposition.
If you read and think about what you quoted, you?ll find that what I said was actually right. I know what the word means. A dispassionate review is one that objectively considers the issue and provides a conclusion based on the facts. A dispassionate review of the iPhone would list both its strong and its weak points and try to find an unbiased conclusion (which could be that it is the best phone on the planet right now). If anything, it is the opposite of fanboy boosterism.
I find it funny that you looked the word up in the dictionary to confirm what I already knew it meant and, if you?d actually thought about it for a few minutes, you would have realized that...
No one was disputing that Apple had some bumps in the road along the way, but there is and always has been good sales analytics and timely payments on Apple's part regarding their devs. Plus, there's also, you know, a viable market for said developers, unlike literally everything Microsoft has thrown out in the mobile space over the past 3 years.
Plus, what "vaporware" has Apple announced and not delivered? And no, simply a different color of an identical product that is out already and is uber-popular does not count.
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MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch. Because the old OS was simply not worth updating with modern features. If MS (and Palm, by the way) had looked far enough ahead, they could have evolved their legacy OSes or planned a migration path from the old OS to the new OS. They could have beaten Apple to market with a multi-touch mobile OS.
Sounds like what Apple did back in Spring 2001 when they dumped OS9 and started fresh with OS X.
MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch.
That is not even close to being the easiest path.
How about video? What can you see on various sites?
Good question. Right now when I open videos it will show me what I have on the phone and it will show me the last YouTube videos I watched. Just as if they were loaded on the phone. I have not tried any other sites yet.
Pippin
Kind of the exception that proves the rule, don't you think?
Sounds like what Apple did back in Spring 2001 when they dumped OS9 and started fresh with OS X.
Except that Apple did provide a migration path, and a very robust one at that.
MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch.
But... they didn't exactly do that, did they? I don't know for certain, but isn't WP7 based on WinCE 6
If it is truly a clean-sheet design - which would have been the right thing to do, though I disagree that's the "easiest path" - why imply it's version 7... of anything?
Sounds like what Apple did back in Spring 2001 when they dumped OS9 and started fresh with OS X.
Not all... OS X supported running OS 9 apps under compatibility for years.
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But... they didn't exactly do that, did they? I don't know for certain, but isn't WP7 based on WinCE 6
I?d say they did. If we don?t call the creation of WP7 a new OS over WM6 that isn?t compatible with any WM6 apps, then can we really call IOS a new OS over Mac OS X, since they use Darwin kernel.
If it is truly a clean-sheet design - which would have been the right thing to do - why imply it's version 7... of anything?
Apple adopted NeXTSTEP for Mac OS and called it Mac OS ?Ten?.
Apple adopted NeXTSTEP for Mac OS and called it Mac OS “Ten”.
I understand, but OS 9 wasn't OS IX. Besides, I originally thought it was pronounced "oh sex" and who woudn't want that?
The progression from the name "Windows Mobile" - essentially Wince 6, followed by Windows Phone 7 hardly strikes me as an inspirational marketing idea.
It may be symbolic in nature, but Apple's progression from the numbered Classic OS versions to X to what I believe will just become known as iOS demonstrates their willingness to change and adapt. Symbolic or not, MSFT is demonstrating anything but.
Sort of... I mean, OS 9 wasn't OS IX. Besides, I originally thought it was pronounced "oh sex" and who woudn't want that?
I get your point, though "Windows Mobile" - essentially Wince 6, followed by Windows Phone 7 hardly strikes me as an inspirational marketing idea.
that’s just a representation of the word ’10’, it’s still listed as number 10. Just look at version and build numbers. The ‘X’ is really just marketing. It does denote a change, but X also makes it sound cool.
I understand, but OS 9 wasn't OS IX. Besides, I originally thought it was pronounced "oh sex" and who woudn't want that?
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Pippin
Seriously? A crazy venture from 15 years ago is your example? Further, it wasn't even vaporware - it was actually manufactured but was an abject failure of Kin proportions.
that?s just a representation of the word ?10?, it?s still listed as number 10. Just look at version and build numbers. The ?X? is really just marketing. It does denote a change, but X also makes it sound cool.
I agree the name is primarily a marketing tool. If you really want to split hairs though, its releases are named OS X v10.x and so forth. For example Cheetah was OS X 10.0. Presumably version ten of OS X would be known as OS X v10.10, except I think they'll have run out of cats. In any event the X moniker would be sufficiently tired by then, while Microsoft will be marketing, what, Windows 12
Was there an equivalent version and build number for OS X Public Beta...? Considering it was preceded by OS X Server 1.0...?
Not to get picky or anything, but this word you are using, I do not think it means what you think it means?
A dispassionate review could be extremely positive or extremely negative (or neither)?
Dispassionate is the word he meant, I'll bet. It means without passion, therefore not extremely anything.
I have to call BS on that. You're talking about features that took Apple 3 years to implement... and they control the hardware as well as software.
The impression I get is that Microsoft are throwing a lot of man hours at WP7, and from that they have an accelerated development cycle compared to other Microsoft products... but all of those features in just a few months of development... I just don't think it's possible. Certainly not when they need to test across multiple devices.
I think they will do Copy+Paste early next year (Jan/Feb) then stick to their 12 month release cycles.
Yeah, there was a story on Wired about WP7's development. They basically scrapped the entire design team and started fresh. It was the right thing to do. But yes, this is just the beginning for Microsoft. I expect them to keep releasing new features until they catch up with Android.
Their "do more with less clicks" sales pitch is an appealing one.
Yeah, I'll bet it really appeals to the grammar police! "do more with fewer clicks" would be the way to say it. But then no one ever accused MS of being intellectual...