So what will I have to do if my app gets corrupted and needs to be reinstalled, say if an update damages my working app or produces a bug? How would I "roll back" to my old good version? Will the app store save older versions I can go re-download?
Right now many developers have older versions on the download area of their websites. With my serial number in hand, i can download and reinstall the older working version. If devs go "App store only", will there be a safeguard in place to accommodate this legitimate need?
I got burned on the iOS app store when Apple released iOS 4. I used an app that broke when that happened. The developer released a fix then a later update that again broke. The dev later vaporized before releasing a fix. I was not aware of a way to roll back the app and the store does not make older versions available. So I now own a paid non-working app.
For that $30, you get the current version plus the 2.0 version when it ships - kinda like a prepaid upgrade for 2.0.
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
So what will I have to do if my app gets corrupted and needs to be reinstalled, say if an update damages my working app or produces a bug? How would I "roll back" to my old good version? Will the app store save older versions I can go re-download?
If you are running TimeMachine, you could pull the old version from your TM backup.
So what will I have to do if my app gets corrupted and needs to be reinstalled, say if an update damages my working app or produces a bug? How would I "roll back" to my old good version? Will the app store save older versions I can go re-download?
I went through this with 1Password Pro on my iPhone. The version on my iPhone works, but the sync'ed version on my Mac has gone missing (I get the dreaded gray exclamation point in iTunes) and there is no way to get it to sync from my iPhone back to iTunes on my Mac.
If you don't have access to the original .ipa, you're basically screwed. Is that scenario any different with the Mac App Store?
For that $30, you get the current version plus the 2.0 version when it ships - kinda like a prepaid upgrade for 2.0.
In addition, it at least appear that the developers of this product claim they are allowing 1.x customers to receive free upgrades without having to buy the App Store version until the release of 2.0 (sources: last paragraph of this article and their website). I don't know how this works if they took down the download link, but that seems reasonable if true.
I'm considering giving this a whirl just because of the price with the free upgrade promise. It certainly can't be the worst $30 I've ever spent on software.
If you don't have access to the original .ipa, you're basically screwed. Is that scenario any different with the Mac App Store?
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Just delete the app in iTunes, then search for it on the iTunes Store and buy it again. When you click "buy" it will tell you you have already purchased it and ask if you want to download it again for free. It's only songs and movies you can't redownload (probably due to studio restrictions), apps you can.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Just delete the app in iTunes, then search for it on the iTunes Store and buy it again. When you click "buy" it will tell you you have already purchased it and ask if you want to download it again for free. It's only songs and movies you can't redownload (probably due to studio restrictions), apps you can.
Pretty ballsy move there. Considering Mac App store is in its infancy and there are already reports of tricking the system into thinking you have purchased a paid version, even though you got the free trial. I would have waited a couple of months at least before announcing exclusive distribution.
Pretty ballsy move there. Considering Mac App store is in its infancy and there are already reports of tricking the system into thinking you have purchased a paid version, even though you got the free trial. I would have waited a couple of months at least before announcing exclusive distribution.
One of the things I like about the Pixelmator guys is that they are "all in" with Apple. I think they were the first third-party image editor to rely exclusively on Apple's corelibs for image processing. They like spending time on UI (for better or worse).
I am not able to have this luxury. No cable, no DSL, no cell service. Only an overpriced satellite connection with daily limits and high latency. Once again American companies forges about rural areas of the country, looking for quick money and poor service. What no contract!
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
I am not able to have this luxury. No cable, no DSL, no cell service. Only an overpriced satellite connection with daily limits and high latency. Once again American companies forges about rural areas of the country, looking for quick money and poor service. What no contract!
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
Read their blog post. That's EXACTLY what they're going to do.
Based on the million downloads in 1 day I would bet they're being rewarded for this decision. C'mon all you devs who are hanging back. 70% of 50,000 sales in better than 100% of 10,000. And it's still relatively easy to get to the top of the charts at the moment.
Based on the million downloads in 1 day I would bet they're being rewarded for this decision. C'mon all you devs who are hanging back. 70% of 50,000 sales in better than 100% of 10,000. And it's still relatively easy to get to the top of the charts at the moment.
While I basically agree, I wonder what the volume will be in a week or two. I wonder how many of those million downloads were just curiosity.
I am not able to have this luxury. No cable, no DSL, no cell service. Only an overpriced satellite connection with daily limits and high latency. Once again American companies forges about rural areas of the country, looking for quick money and poor service. What no contract!
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
Digital-ownly downloads I'm afraid to say will be more the norm than the exception. If developers can save money (packaging, distribution costs, etc.) then they will do it. This is a natural progression of technology.
If you're expecting a company to hold off a product launch until they have 100% customer access, then you're in for a rude awakening. Your segment probably represents a very, very small market for the folks at Pixelmator. It's unfortunate to be in your position in terms of access to technology. You were vague with your location but it seems to me that you want to live in a very remote location, away from technology yet you want the same services as those in developed cities. Not going to happen for a while. You chose to live there.
However, in regards to Pixelator, perhaps if it's something you really want you can try contacting the company and determine if they would provide a packaged option. Just be expected to pay a higher price for it.
Either way, it is a very, very interesting and exciting time for Apple.
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
Here's the email they sent me:-
Quote:
"Dear Pixelmator User,
We have some great news for you today!
The recently launched Mac App Store makes it easy to explore, purchase, and download apps directly on our Macs. We, the Pixelmator Team, believe that the Mac App Store is going to be an absolute hit and are very excited to be part of it.
Moreover, because it offers so many benefits to our customers, we are fully committed to supporting the Mac App Store by completely moving Pixelmator sales and distribution to the Mac App Store in the upcoming months.
To ease the transition to the Mac App Store for our users, we came up with an exciting solution that we think everyone will love taking advantage of. We call it the Pixelmator transition to the Mac App Store and it means the following:
You can download Pixelmator on the Mac App Store for just $29, for a limited time.
By transitioning to the Mac App Store, you will get the totally awesome Pixelmator 2.0 (and, of course, still lots of 1.X updates) for free once it is out in the Mac App Store later this year.
Yup, you read that right.
In case you are not yet convinced that moving Pixelmator to the Mac App Store is a good thing to do, click here for a few more reasons to transition to the Mac App Store.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for your kind support and look forward to further improving Pixelmator in future updates.
Therefore, now is the perfect time for you to click this button:
P.S. Even if you decide not to move to the Mac App Store, we will continue to provide free Pixelmator 1.X updates until version 2.0."
Although in the Australian Mac App store it's closer to $37
Although in the Australian Mac App store it's closer to $37
It does sound like current owners have been well and truly shafted (forced to pay $30 to receive any more updates, even to 1.x). They've forced to pay the same as a non owner to receive exactly the same product and updates.
Correction: it seems 1.x updates may still be available to existing users after all!
However, you can't deny that it's an amazing deal for non owners. $30 for a quality app including updates for most of the year and a major new version when it comes out. I didn't hesitate about handing over $37 AUD whereas I was baulking at the previous price point. Such is the potential of the app store to generate a lot of money for developers by offering a low price/high volume model, the potential of which we've already seen on the iTunes app store!
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Right now many developers have older versions on the download area of their websites. With my serial number in hand, i can download and reinstall the older working version. If devs go "App store only", will there be a safeguard in place to accommodate this legitimate need?
I got burned on the iOS app store when Apple released iOS 4. I used an app that broke when that happened. The developer released a fix then a later update that again broke. The dev later vaporized before releasing a fix. I was not aware of a way to roll back the app and the store does not make older versions available. So I now own a paid non-working app.
Just a scenario to consider.
For that $30, you get the current version plus the 2.0 version when it ships - kinda like a prepaid upgrade for 2.0.
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
So what will I have to do if my app gets corrupted and needs to be reinstalled, say if an update damages my working app or produces a bug? How would I "roll back" to my old good version? Will the app store save older versions I can go re-download?
If you are running TimeMachine, you could pull the old version from your TM backup.
So what will I have to do if my app gets corrupted and needs to be reinstalled, say if an update damages my working app or produces a bug? How would I "roll back" to my old good version? Will the app store save older versions I can go re-download?
I went through this with 1Password Pro on my iPhone. The version on my iPhone works, but the sync'ed version on my Mac has gone missing (I get the dreaded gray exclamation point in iTunes) and there is no way to get it to sync from my iPhone back to iTunes on my Mac.
If you don't have access to the original .ipa, you're basically screwed. Is that scenario any different with the Mac App Store?
For that $30, you get the current version plus the 2.0 version when it ships - kinda like a prepaid upgrade for 2.0.
In addition, it at least appear that the developers of this product claim they are allowing 1.x customers to receive free upgrades without having to buy the App Store version until the release of 2.0 (sources: last paragraph of this article and their website). I don't know how this works if they took down the download link, but that seems reasonable if true.
I'm considering giving this a whirl just because of the price with the free upgrade promise. It certainly can't be the worst $30 I've ever spent on software.
If you don't have access to the original .ipa, you're basically screwed. Is that scenario any different with the Mac App Store?
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Just delete the app in iTunes, then search for it on the iTunes Store and buy it again. When you click "buy" it will tell you you have already purchased it and ask if you want to download it again for free. It's only songs and movies you can't redownload (probably due to studio restrictions), apps you can.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Just delete the app in iTunes, then search for it on the iTunes Store and buy it again. When you click "buy" it will tell you you have already purchased it and ask if you want to download it again for free. It's only songs and movies you can't redownload (probably due to studio restrictions), apps you can.
I'll try that. Thanks. (What do I have to lose?)
Pretty ballsy move there. Considering Mac App store is in its infancy and there are already reports of tricking the system into thinking you have purchased a paid version, even though you got the free trial. I would have waited a couple of months at least before announcing exclusive distribution.
One of the things I like about the Pixelmator guys is that they are "all in" with Apple. I think they were the first third-party image editor to rely exclusively on Apple's corelibs for image processing. They like spending time on UI (for better or worse).
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
I am not able to have this luxury. No cable, no DSL, no cell service. Only an overpriced satellite connection with daily limits and high latency. Once again American companies forges about rural areas of the country, looking for quick money and poor service. What no contract!
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
How do you get updates now?
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
Read their blog post. That's EXACTLY what they're going to do.
Based on the million downloads in 1 day I would bet they're being rewarded for this decision. C'mon all you devs who are hanging back. 70% of 50,000 sales in better than 100% of 10,000. And it's still relatively easy to get to the top of the charts at the moment.
While I basically agree, I wonder what the volume will be in a week or two. I wonder how many of those million downloads were just curiosity.
I am not able to have this luxury. No cable, no DSL, no cell service. Only an overpriced satellite connection with daily limits and high latency. Once again American companies forges about rural areas of the country, looking for quick money and poor service. What no contract!
I use Pixelmator and like it. Now I am locked out. Good bye Pixelmator and enjoy.
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
Digital-ownly downloads I'm afraid to say will be more the norm than the exception. If developers can save money (packaging, distribution costs, etc.) then they will do it. This is a natural progression of technology.
If you're expecting a company to hold off a product launch until they have 100% customer access, then you're in for a rude awakening. Your segment probably represents a very, very small market for the folks at Pixelmator. It's unfortunate to be in your position in terms of access to technology. You were vague with your location but it seems to me that you want to live in a very remote location, away from technology yet you want the same services as those in developed cities. Not going to happen for a while. You chose to live there.
However, in regards to Pixelator, perhaps if it's something you really want you can try contacting the company and determine if they would provide a packaged option. Just be expected to pay a higher price for it.
Either way, it is a very, very interesting and exciting time for Apple.
Really. It compares to Photoshop CS5? Have you used them side-by-side?
From your reaction I assume you never tried Pixelmator
Are you sure? There are a lot of shenanigans going on all the sudden, and from developers you wouldn't expect. The developers of CoverSutra just pulled a number on the people who bought the current version and were promised a free upgrade to 2.5, which they can't get for free anymore because they've gone App Store-only and that's the only place you can get 2.5.
At least in the indie developer days you could count on good support and a fair shake for your money. Now I guess those days are done and the Mac App Store-only devs are basically saying "Fuck you" to their old customers because they don't have to care about their reputations anymore, only their MAS ranking and the visibility that generates.
Here's the email they sent me:-
"Dear Pixelmator User,
We have some great news for you today!
The recently launched Mac App Store makes it easy to explore, purchase, and download apps directly on our Macs. We, the Pixelmator Team, believe that the Mac App Store is going to be an absolute hit and are very excited to be part of it.
Moreover, because it offers so many benefits to our customers, we are fully committed to supporting the Mac App Store by completely moving Pixelmator sales and distribution to the Mac App Store in the upcoming months.
To ease the transition to the Mac App Store for our users, we came up with an exciting solution that we think everyone will love taking advantage of. We call it the Pixelmator transition to the Mac App Store and it means the following:
You can download Pixelmator on the Mac App Store for just $29, for a limited time.
By transitioning to the Mac App Store, you will get the totally awesome Pixelmator 2.0 (and, of course, still lots of 1.X updates) for free once it is out in the Mac App Store later this year.
Yup, you read that right.
In case you are not yet convinced that moving Pixelmator to the Mac App Store is a good thing to do, click here for a few more reasons to transition to the Mac App Store.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for your kind support and look forward to further improving Pixelmator in future updates.
Therefore, now is the perfect time for you to click this button:
P.S. Even if you decide not to move to the Mac App Store, we will continue to provide free Pixelmator 1.X updates until version 2.0."
Although in the Australian Mac App store it's closer to $37
Looking at the bright side, I see the real America outside my windows everyday, not some cement jail.
You can't have both. You have the real america outside your window and I got the App Mac Store on the window that I use to look at the world.
Here's the email they sent me:-
Although in the Australian Mac App store it's closer to $37
It does sound like current owners have been well and truly shafted (forced to pay $30 to receive any more updates, even to 1.x). They've forced to pay the same as a non owner to receive exactly the same product and updates.
Correction: it seems 1.x updates may still be available to existing users after all!
However, you can't deny that it's an amazing deal for non owners. $30 for a quality app including updates for most of the year and a major new version when it comes out. I didn't hesitate about handing over $37 AUD whereas I was baulking at the previous price point. Such is the potential of the app store to generate a lot of money for developers by offering a low price/high volume model, the potential of which we've already seen on the iTunes app store!