Verizon iPhone to use existing plans, similar to AT&T

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  • Reply 121 of 181
    avidfcpavidfcp Posts: 381member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    You think Verizon is going to make their plans cheaper than AT&T? Get real.



    I pay like $133 for me, iPhone and wife, non iPhone.

    I can get a new one with unlimited due to granfathered clause ( I told everyone months ago this was about teethering) and my wife doesn't really want a smart phone. Maybe droid. It takes great pix. Anyway tobget her an iPhone would be $15 dollars more a month. With Verizon it's like $189 before taxes. Mines $144-$133 WITH taxes so we shall see. Maybe V can change their prices but tgey do have great video streaming services with excellent gps.



    Plus they have 4g so expect the phones if made correct, to run faster. At the very least there should be no lag.



    I'm glad they are doing tgis as AT&T could come down in price. Ps

    ANYONE KNOW HOW TO BUY A NEW IPHONE UN CALIFORNIA WITHIUT PAYING TAX ON $600?

    thanks
  • Reply 122 of 181
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    Originally Posted by TwiztdWun View Post


    ...the amount of customers that travel to GSM areas is a very small percentage. Generally business based. Not saying that makes it unimportant....but, it is not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be. ..



    Apparently, the Verizon customers you are talking about refrain to go to Western Europe and many other countries in the world because their phone only does CDMA.
  • Reply 123 of 181
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    We don't know if that's true yet either.



    When Apple was first planning the iPhone they kicked around the idea of creating their own Network, but the infrastructure to support that and the cost associated made it a poor choice.



    After that Apple went to Verizon first before AT&T, but being Verizon they wanted complete control over the phone, the software it ran and all the Verizon branding they could fit on the phone. Also, the CEO believed the iPhone would be a failure.



    Steve didn't want this, nor did he agree with the CEO. Steve wanted to control everything on the phone side and just have a carrier provide the data and voice, nothing else.



    Apples second choice, AT&T. The two worked out a deal. Everyone was happy and as they say it the rest is history.



    Now, several years later and Verzion comes crying back begging for an iPhone on their network. I'm sure for most of the conversation Steve wouldn't give them the time of day considering Verizon told him the iPhone would fail in the first place. A nice middle finger from Steve to Verizon.



    The second thing. If, and only IF the iPhone does actually go to Verizon it will work the exact same as it does on AT&T providing the technology and tools are available to do so. Steve wouldn't have it any other way. He will leave the data and voice plans to Verizon to deal with.



    Finally the big question. Who and how many current AT&T iPhone users will switch if the Verizon iPhone is released. In order for the iPhone to be dominant in the smartphone market it must be on more than one carrier. The only reason the Android OS is currently beating iOS is because Google left the Android OS at a burlesque house so 20 plus different phones could get their turn at her. Apple doesn't want that to happen. It's not good for the OS and it's far worse for the consumer.



    To be honest I would love to see it on more than one carrier. Reason being is it will free up AT&Ts voice and data network and result in a better experience for the end user. Now, that being said the general public doesn't understand why AT&Ts network drops call most of the time. Well to help you out there are 61.5 million smartphones subscribers in the US and 25% of them are iPhone users. That 25% doesn't include the Android and BlackBerry users that are also on AT&T plugging up the network. 72% of AT&T total subscribers are smartphone users. Verizon has half of that, so you can imagine the difficulties it has been for AT&T to keep up with this giant, data hungry customer base.



    If the addition of Verizon for the iPhone happens it could do a few things for iPhone user. First, it will for sure pull millions of subscribers from AT&T to the Verizon network for whatever reason that customer has. Second, it will spread the user base between two carriers giving AT&T's network a much needed break. However, don't assume that Verizon's network can support the massive increase of iPhone user. It it very possible Verizon's network could end up like AT&T, or even worse. Too many user for too small of a network and the train loops around the station again. Dropped calls dropped calls dropped calls. If that happens maybe the general public will finally understand that Verizon is just another carrier with the same problem. Too many subscribers for a small network.



    Whatever happened to business expansion. Your customer base grows bigger your company grows bigger to support it. I guess when you're dealing with tens of millions of user you can pick and choose.



    Anyways, that's my thoughts on the matter. In the long run it will be a good thing for Apple, Verizon, AT&T and for the consumer, but there is going to be a lot of crap the first few years till it can reach a balance.



    Either way we will find out on Tuesday!
  • Reply 124 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsenka View Post


    They already do. Visual Voice Mail is extra on some of the Canadian carriers.



    within this country they will not allow it. Outside of the US is a different game for Apple. They don't have the power like with the US carriers.



    But, it is Verizon I wouldn't put it passed then to do something like that.
  • Reply 125 of 181
    timontimon Posts: 152member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crisss1205 View Post


    Are they seriously going to charge for using Exchange? Deff not switching to Verizon now.



    Only if you have a business account. I've been using exchange since I got my Droid and that's one thing I ask about and they confirmed that only business accounts have to pay for exchange access and it's a different plan all together.
  • Reply 126 of 181
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    Originally Posted by VanFruniken View Post


    Apparently, the Verizon customers you are talking about refrain to go to Western Europe and many other countries in the world because their phone only does CDMA.



    Try not to be so sarcastic unless you have a better sense as to what you are talking about. Business users have been able to use GSM enabled CDMA handsets for years. Since they are business users, they often receive their handsets from their company. For example, I was distributing Verizon 8830 Blackberry handsets at my company three years ago and we would enable their SIM cards if we knew they were going international for a short period. It was a very reasonable price at the time, too.



    Additionally, Verizon was selling non-smartphone handsets that had dual CDMA/GSM capabilities for a couple of years prior to that.
  • Reply 127 of 181
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    Originally Posted by Timon View Post


    Only if you have a business account. I've been using exchange since I got my Droid and that's one thing I ask about and they confirmed that only business accounts have to pay for exchange access and it's a different plan all together.



    Agreed. This has been a discussion point since way back in the Palm Treo days with Verizon.



    Consumers don't pay this surcharge. Business accounts do. This was a charge that was traditionally (though not always) thrown onto business accounts using Blackberry handsets.



    Verizon can't block Exchange servers or the ports they use without crippling a large number of e-mail providers. Many of the e-mail services around the globe use Exchange ActiveSync for their e-mail. This includes Google Mail and Apple's MobileMe service, among others.
  • Reply 128 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    The best info i can find involves the aforementioned QChat from Qualcomm. What else can it be but VoIP over EV-DO Rev. A?





    Talk time

    I know I hit on this earlier, but I wanted to make sure it?s a clear point. The iPhone 4 has ?3G? talk time of 7 hours and ?2G? talk time of 14 hours. The only devices that beat the ?3G? talk time ? to reiterate, this means you have ?3G' activated on the device even though it still uses CDMA ?2G? for voice ? are those on Verizon and Sprint. Adding VoIP over EV-DO Rev. A would mean talk time is actually over ?3G?. It might even be less efficient than the way voice and data WCDMA works, but I?d imagine equivalent battery life.



    The difference comes when comparing over Verizon phones to the iPhone. Some will wonder why everything on the iPhone is longer except ?3G? talk time. I doubt that will be a deal breaker, but I thought it should get mentioned.



    That's a good point and one that gets missed a lot. All voice calls (to date) on a CDMA network get sent on their 1xRTT side. Many handsets don't indicate this, so people think that 3G is 3G all the time when it's not.



    It's why I doubt that there will be a VoIP implementation if Verizon is, in fact, able to come up with a simultaneous voice/data solution at tomorrow's announcement. 3G all the time would likely hammer the battery mercilessly. I would have to say that I am curious about that component most of all. It's been such standard fare for so long that CDMA can't handle voice and data at the same time, that any change will be fairly huge. I really didn't think that it was a big deal until I switched to AT&T for the iPhone and I find that I like it a lot. So much so that I would be hesitant to switch back to Verizon without such a feature. I guess I'll know soon enough!



    Can you imagine how pissed Droid users will be if such an announcement comes out and we find out that simultaneous voice/data requires a new chip that's only (for the moment) in the new iPhone? Oh boy, the Android Forums will go nuts!



    As a final note, I really wish that AI would edit the original article to reflect that the Verizon 450 minute plan does NOT include the unlimited calling to 5 numbers as is stated in the original post. That's only available on the 900 minute plan. it's very misleading.
  • Reply 129 of 181
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    Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post


    Unlike Att I wonder if they allow you to buy it outright so as not to have to pay a stupid data plan, since unlike Att cannot rationalize needing a data plan due to visual voicemail.



    Probably not.



    Why have an iPhone if you don't want data? Just get a regular phone! Done!!!
  • Reply 130 of 181
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    Originally Posted by storneo View Post


    Why have an iPhone if you don't want data? Just get a regular phone! Done!!!



    Oh, sure. I don't deserve to have an iPhone if I have zero use for mobile data. Guess I'll never have an iPhone in my entire life.



    Come on, really?
  • Reply 131 of 181
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    Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post


    Even if they did, I wouldn't leave at&t. I get speeds far superior to their CDMA and close to their current LTE on the download side. Plus simultaneous voice and data is critical for me. Maybe once Apple offers an LTE based phone without an increase in costs of the plan would change my mind.



    In Sugar Land, TX -I am in total agreement with you about switching to Verizon. No way would I switch to Verizon - we live in AT&T town (the old SW Bell) and are always one of the first areas to rollout and get better than good service here. So why do I want to switch to Verizon - tell me again why when I get this kind of coverage with 0 dropped call rate and good+ data speeds. I formerly lived in the SF bay area, if I were still there I would probably be cursing AT&T and switch to Verizon. Before that in Reno/Tahoe - I would stay with AT&T too. Great speeds, connect, etc. but again home of what was Nevada Bell->PacBell->etc. back to AT&T home town again. Almost sounds like I picked two out of the last 3 places I lived in 20 yrs or so based on the carrier but I didn't.



    Just my 2 scents, er uh sense, oh hell you know what I mean.
  • Reply 132 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Oh, sure. I don't deserve to have an iPhone if I have zero use for mobile data. Guess I'll never have an iPhone in my entire life.



    Come on, really?



    It's like buying a race car just to commute to work then complaining the gas is too expensive. Sure, you can have the race car if you want, but don't complain after you buy it! You KNOW what you're getting into when you buy it!!
  • Reply 133 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by storneo View Post


    It's like buying a race car just to commute to work then complaining the gas is too expensive. Sure, you can have the race car if you want, but don't complain after you buy it! You KNOW what you're getting into when you buy it!!



    No, it's not like that at all. The iPhone is hardly a "race car", and the "gas" isn't necessary for its function.
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VanFruniken View Post


    Apparently, the Verizon customers you are talking about refrain to go to Western Europe and many other countries in the world because their phone only does CDMA.



    You’re being pointless sarcastic. Sure, people travel, but they aren’t taking their phones with them. Besides the number of people that simply don’t want to these outrageous roaming charges, the fact that “world mode” phones aren’t common or popular should be an indicator that people in the US aren’t talking their phones out of the country.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SteveNYC View Post


    That's a good point and one that gets missed a lot. All voice calls (to date) on a CDMA network get sent on their 1xRTT side. Many handsets don't indicate this, so people think that 3G is 3G all the time when it's not.



    It's why I doubt that there will be a VoIP implementation if Verizon is, in fact, able to come up with a simultaneous voice/data solution at tomorrow's announcement. 3G all the time would likely hammer the battery mercilessly. I would have to say that I am curious about that component most of all. It's been such standard fare for so long that CDMA can't handle voice and data at the same time, that any change will be fairly huge. I really didn't think that it was a big deal until I switched to AT&T for the iPhone and I find that I like it a lot. So much so that I would be hesitant to switch back to Verizon without such a feature. I guess I'll know soon enough!



    Can you imagine how pissed Droid users will be if such an announcement comes out and we find out that simultaneous voice/data requires a new chip that's only (for the moment) in the new iPhone? Oh boy, the Android Forums will go nuts!



    As a final note, I really wish that AI would edit the original article to reflect that the Verizon 450 minute plan does NOT include the unlimited calling to 5 numbers as is stated in the original post. That's only available on the 900 minute plan. it's very misleading.



    I’m trying to find a phone from a vendor that is pretty much the same between CDMA/CDMA2000 and GSM/UMTS so I can gauge the usage variance. Meaning, thee same battery and basic design. So far I can’t find any. Unfortunately, the “world mode” phones I’ve checked only list the talk time for CDMA. \





    edit:
    Blackberry Storm2 (9550)
    • Battery: 1400 mAh

    Talk time:
    • GSM: 5 hours

    • UMTS: 6 hours

    • CDMA: 5.5 hours

    Standby time:
    • GSM: 305 hours

    • UMTS: 280 hours

    • CDMA: 270 hours

    On date point doesn’t a trend make, but that is interesting. I would have thought CDMA was more efficient than UMTS considering the trend of pure CDMA phones when comparing the other battery durations to the iPhone. Could that mean VoIP over EV-DO would be hit much worse or that the hit to talk time would be negligible?
  • Reply 136 of 181
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    MyWi tethering, Netflix Hulu, and Comedy Central streaming, some tormenting of shows that air in the UK, and everything else I use my Mac for.



    I pay for Unlimited data so I am using my fair share. What I don?t pay for per my contract is tethering to utilize that data. This is a violation of my contract just as you did with your MyWi usage. I take full responsibility for my actions and if they throttle or cancel my account I won?t be mad or upset or take some entitlement stance. I?m exploiting them and will continue to do so as long as I can.



    Do you spend your entire life in a coffee shop? Don't you have broadband at home or at work?
  • Reply 137 of 181
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Do you spend your entire life in a coffee shop? Don't you have broadband at home or at work?



    If I was in a coffee shop wouldn?t I have WiFi? No, I don?t have a home or a place of business. I travel all the time and the hotels I stay in typically charge for WiFi or have pretty slow WiFi so I use my MyWi app on my phone for internet access.



    Oddly, the cheaper the hotel the more likely they will have free WiFi the faster it will be.
  • Reply 138 of 181
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    No, I don?t have a home or a place of business. I travel all the time and the hotels I stay in typically charge for WiFi or have pretty slow WiFi so I use my MyWi app on my phone for internet access.



    Oddly, the cheaper the hotel the more likely they will have free WiFi the faster it will be.



    My apologies. Your are a stronger soul than I. I would have completely lost my mind in similar circumstances. It is a challenge for me to even go on vacation for more than a few weeks without getting restless. Sort of explains your prolific writing here. Do you have any other companionship? Just curious, I don't mean to pry into your private affairs.
  • Reply 139 of 181
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    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    Ah... here's a brainstorm - if Verizon keeps the unlimited plan, ATT announces that with 30 days notice, and no ETF, it is cancelling the grandfathered unlimited data plans. Anyone who objects to this material change of terms will be allowed out of their contract without penalty.



    All the abusers jump ship to Verizon and the other 99.5% of us rejoice and stay on ATT, which sees performance jump as those 0.5% of users who take up 50% of bandwidth go away



    My concern is the future. I don't come anywhere close to 2GB/month, but I decided not to drop to that plan. Why? Because IF I can keep the unlimited plan, I figure it will be worth it in the future - faster networks, larger file sizes, etc.
  • Reply 140 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Oddly, the cheaper the hotel the more likely they will have free WiFi the faster it will be.



    This made me chuckle ... it's soooo freakin' true! I stayed in a 5 star hotel once (just once) that I payed a pretty penny for, it didn't come with WiFi.



    But you can bet the Motel 6 down the way had fast WiFi that was not extra, you know how I know ... stayed at it to a few months later. The towel wasn't as good, but the porn was AWESOME!
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