Briefly: 1M BlackBerry PlayBooks, Wikipedia founder calls App Store "dangerous," more evidence for i

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  • Reply 21 of 126
    I agree with wikipedia founder 100%, the App Store is dangerous because it's the only place one can legitimately download a program on their "pocket" computer. We would be outraged if the PC at home would have the same practice, so why doesn't that apply to our small "pocket" computer from Apple?



    I'm not against Apple's App Store, I just think it shouldn't be the only place where we can install a program in the iPhone.



    I would go as far as say that it's unlawful what Apple is practicing and should be respectively punished just like Microsoft was punished in the EU for their practices with the internet browser.
  • Reply 22 of 126
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
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    Originally Posted by agolongo View Post


    Is Steve Jobs spooning you right now? Here is an idea, Freedom of Choice! Allow third party OTA installations without asking for Papa's permission, warn the user of the danger but let the user choose! Its a mobile computing platform just like a Apple Macintosh not a toaster.



    So I dont buy it? I'll go to google where I have more installation freedom but they will mine all my personal data to exploit me in the future. Maybe I'll check out WP7, ohh wait they are doing both.



    God your the customer, pretend for once like your in the drivers seat, looking after your own self interest and demanding progress instead of running PR for Apple.



    Its up to us to mold the construct of how the corporation behaves in our society, its the dog and has its purpose but we are supposed to be the handler!



    Yes, bitching on an internet forum is a much more effective way of changing a consumer electronics company's behavior than declining to buy their products.
  • Reply 23 of 126
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    Originally Posted by lav1daloca View Post


    I agree with wikipedia founder 100%, the App Store is dangerous because it's the only place one can legitimately download a program on their "pocket" computer. We would be outraged if the PC at home would have the same practice, so why doesn't that apply to our small "pocket" computer from Apple?



    I'm not against Apple's App Store, I just think it shouldn't be the only place where we can install a program in the iPhone.



    I would go as far as say that it's unlawful what Apple is practicing and should be respectively punished just like Microsoft was punished in the EU for their practices with the internet browser.



    It's about to get even worse- Apple has told newspaper and magazine publishers that all subscriptions have to be sold through the App Store. No more downloading a free app to your iPad/Phone and then entering subscriber information (if you already subscribe to the paper version or have just a digital-only subscription) to activate your subscription. This means that you'll now have to buy 2 subscriptions to a paper/magazine if you want access to both the paper and digital versions, with Apple getting its cut for one of those 2. Otherwise, Apple has threatened to remove that publisher's app from the App Store.



    This development gives Wales' fear weight. It's one thing to insist on an App Store-only model for app delivery based on the need to maintain a certain level of quality for the apps and how well they work with the OS, but it's a whole other apple (pun intended) to maintain that model in order to squeeze out extra revenue only. This move is so greedy on Apple's part. IT'S MY DAMN IPAD- the publishers giving me information & I shouldn't have to give Apple 30% for all the content that goes on there. Makes me feel even less sorry for jailbreaking my iPhone.



    I too foresee the EU taking a seriously negative view to this...
  • Reply 24 of 126
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    Originally Posted by lav1daloca View Post




    I'm not against Apple's App Store, I just think it shouldn't be the only place where we can install a program in the iPhone.




    Iphone can be easily jail broken and the rest internet has to offer is readily available for you. Apple simply says use your iPhone with these apps (over 300,000) and we will do are best to make sure you user experience is the best. Use it with some others from elsewhere and we can't guarantee the results. The majority of the iPhone users are very happy with this arrangement and prefer it this way. Majority of app store developers prefer it this way and enjoy the compensation it brings them. Just ask the angry birds guys what they think about the way Apple sells apps for the iPhone.
  • Reply 25 of 126
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Wikipedia



    Speaking in a "purely personal capacity" at an event in Bristol, England, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales said app stores like Apple's iOS App Store can act as a "chokepoint that is very dangerous."



    It is time to ask if the model was "a threat to a diverse and open ecosystem," Wales continued. "We own [a] device, and we should control it."



    Wales went on to downplay worry over net neutrality, arguing that many concerns are hypothetical and don't pose an immediate danger. The campaign for net neutrality has elements that are "highly overblown," centering more on fears about what might happen than what is happening.



    During the speech, Wales also highlighted a lack of diversity among contributors to Wikipedia, which will celebrate its 10th anniversary on Saturday. 87 percent of contributors are male, with an average age of 26, and twice as likely to have PhDs as the general population. Wales hopes to improve the site's diversity by simplifying Wikipedia's editing system.



    Last month, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission ruled in favor of network neutrality, but gave mobile networks an exemption, citing Google's Android mobile OS as a reason to take "measured steps" for wireless carriers.



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    I disagree 100% with Wales. Apart from the iPhone being still one of the best smartphones, it's actually the AppStore which I really appreciate. I really don't want to bother about malware etc.. I simply don't want to spend any time on this. Therefore I am extremely thankful to Apple, that they are doing this tedious job. If anybody doesn't like this.... Well WTH is he buying an iOS product. Stay with android and be happy.
  • Reply 26 of 126
    eluardeluard Posts: 319member
    Jimmy Wales is on crack these days. How does increasing the diversity of contributors to Wikipedia make it more accurate, which is the only thing that should matter about it?
  • Reply 27 of 126
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    Originally Posted by esummers View Post


    Probably not. Wifi, GSM, and CDMA.



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    Now that Verizon is in the mix you will see differentiation for network type in the model numbers as to some degree there will be differences in the firmware and modem base band for GSM and CDMA. For the iPad I could see a camera-less model being produced to fill a need for some business / enterprise customers that have secrecy requirements but since Apple doesn't produce a macbook without a camera I doubt they care to much for that market segment.
  • Reply 28 of 126
    Forgive my ignorance, but what does Net Neutrality actually mean?
  • Reply 29 of 126
    If you inverted his statements and applied whet he said about Net Neutrality to the Apple App store and what he said about the App Store to Net Neutrality it would be correct.
  • Reply 30 of 126
    2 cents2 cents Posts: 307member
    I contribute $$ to wikipedia every year and these comments irk me. Almost seems like some hidden agenda when he worries about the app store (a tiny and discrete part of the internet) becoming a choke point but net neutrality is not an issue right now, so why worry about what might happen? WTF?!



    I hope he was misquoted or this is out of context. Pending claificarion, I will have to reconsider where to send my hard-earned money this year. Perhaps one of the groups fighting for net neutrality. Because IMO, these two issues are not even in the same universe, net neutrality is the most important freedom of information issue we are facing right now and we are failing miserably. The Trojan Norse is already out of the barn.



    http://techdailydose.nationaljournal...nvestigate.php



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  • Reply 31 of 126
    How about having a massive share of knowledge on one web site that usually comes up first in almost any google search. Is that not a choke point? Eh Jimmy?



    Jimmy Wales has disappointed me there. If desktop computers end up with locked down app stores then he would have a point but there is no sign of that happening. I happen to think the model suits devices like the iPhone and xbox/ps3 because they are dedicated devices not general purpose computers, and we don't want to end up running anti-virus/spyware software on them.
  • Reply 32 of 126
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    It is time to ask if the model was "a threat to a diverse and open ecosystem," Wales continued. "We own [a] device, and we should control it."








    That is just crazy. Apple owns the device until we finish paying off ATT. The price is subsidized. We are just renting it from Apple.
  • Reply 33 of 126
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,661member
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    Originally Posted by eswinson View Post


    If you inverted his statements and applied whet he said about Net Neutrality to the Apple App store and what he said about the App Store to Net Neutrality it would be correct.



    Nail on the head.
  • Reply 34 of 126
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    Originally Posted by agolongo View Post


    Why dont you start and read Milton Friedman's book "Free to Choose", or better yet watch the movie. God knows you wont read a book.



    We are dealing with collusion being created through a co-op of corporate and government interest, limiting the consumers freedom. For example in Canada it has just been established that breaking digital locks on a Iphone, Android or WP7 is illegal. So too bad you dont have a open device, you cant open it.



    We have nowhere to go. Its not just Apple.



    Help... the paranoids are after us!
  • Reply 35 of 126
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,865member
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    Originally Posted by tania View Post


    ... I do find it contradictory that Wales would have two differring opinions of the two though. As they both concern private companies flexing their corporate muscle squashing end users over the net.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eswinson View Post


    If you inverted his statements and applied whet he said about Net Neutrality to the Apple App store and what he said about the App Store to Net Neutrality it would be correct.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Parsec View Post


    How about having a massive share of knowledge on one web site that usually comes up first in almost any google search. Is that not a choke point? Eh Jimmy?



    Anytime anyone starts using phrases like "open ecosystems", you pretty much know that the rest of what they have to say is going to be bullshit and utterly divorced from reality. "Open" has become a purely political phrase that technology people use to sway "single issue voters", a demographic who will mindlessly support anything with the "open" label attached.



    So, there doesn't have to be any logic to his statements. He's got to look out for his own interests and make certain people happy. Follow the money and it will all make a lot more sense.
  • Reply 36 of 126
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    So Wales says that the App Store is a dangerous choke point. As though the App Store is the only way to distribute apps.



    Then says that net neutrality are overblown? When every mobile carrier has shown some interest in it.



    Indeed! Eye-opening and sad to see how clueless and deeply compromised Wales really is. I'd imagined better of him, until now.
  • Reply 37 of 126
    The App store is dangerous only if you believe Apple is going to conquer the market entirely. In reality, if Apple gets too cute in its control and its censoring, Android will simply blossom to accommodate those users whom Apple cannot satisfy.



    Recall, the iPad and iPod products are simply consumer devices, not major media outlets. As such, Apple should be free to sell applications however it wants. Do we critique Braun for using a different coffee filter from Mr. Coffee? Product differentiation is the life blood of consumer marketing.
  • Reply 38 of 126
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,865member
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    Originally Posted by CEOstevie View Post


    That is just crazy. Apple owns the device until we finish paying off ATT. The price is subsidized. We are just renting it from Apple.



    Wow, I'm surprised you lasted this long this time, serial troll. Let's start a pool on how many posts CEOstevie makes it to before he get's banned again.
  • Reply 39 of 126
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,865member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by agolongo View Post


    Why dont you start and read Milton Friedman's book "Free to Choose"...



    Maybe you didn't get the memo but Milton Friedman's theories have been entirely contradicted by reality.
  • Reply 40 of 126
    recrec Posts: 217member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CEOstevie View Post


    That is just crazy. Apple owns the device until we finish paying off ATT. The price is subsidized. We are just renting it from Apple.



    Well I would say that's not even accurate. There are more iOS devices out there than just iPhones, like iPod touches and wifi iPads. So while your heart is in the right place with your argument, it's not a very good one to make.



    Personally I like the walled garden. Why? Superior user experience. Superior, quality apps. No messing around with things that may not work. Why in the world would I want to give that up for a chaotic, half-broken ecosystem with inferior apps and inferior user experience?



    Developers can actually make money with iOS, I like that. It encourages top development, best of breed software, innovation and competition. If I want to get an app to remote control my desktop PC I have a lot of choices. I find this to be a huge positive for everyone... Apple, the developers and end users. Where is the practical downside? It doesn't exist. Who is losing out in this scenario? Hackers and thieves.



    And as pointed out before, if I don't like all of these advantages I can take my money somewhere else. What makes anyone think they have the right to tell a private business how to run their business?
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