AT&T wasn't lying when they said that Verizon users would experience life in the slow lane. Yes, I'm laughing but I use Verizon Mifi card. I won't anymore if ATT gets wifi hotspot.
Every other Wireless Carrier (US and Global) will get this feature on Feb 13th (IOS 4.3). Apple is allowing Verizon to suggest that this is a unique feature for now.
However, just remember...with Verizon, the wifi Hotspot will fail once a call comes in (or out).
You've obviously never even read the terms of service of virtually any ISP.
Comcast caps at 250GB a month. They throttle the heaviest users down from the maximum speed for which they've paid. They're not alone in doing so.
Comcast is a perfect example. You know up front what the limit is (250gb) and you know after you hit it, you will be throttled until the end of the month. Verizon does not tell you how much data you can use, they just say 5%. Based on AT&T usage data, that could happen below 1 gb! Once you hit the mystery threshold, Verizon will throttle you for the rest of the month, and then throttle you the entire next month as a punishment.
Name one other Internet provider in the US with both of those "terms of service".
Usage charging is typical for many scarce resources. One only has to look at talk minutes to see how common it really is. Haven't seen Time Of Day (TOD) usage numbers but it would seem that having both peak and off peak data allocations, much like minutes, would help out. That way large software downloads could occur overnight and not impact daytime usage. There probably are enough cell phone carriers out there that one of them will figure this out. Virgin Mobile already has a USD 25 plan with 5 gigs of data and 300 minutes of talk with no contract. The second tier players seem much more competitive then either ATT or Verizon.
Just my USD 0.02 worth
They have.
Much like commuting during rush hour. More traffic. Less speed. More time. And it is very common, if not, for all service providers in Europe.
As for Virgin Mobile USD 25 plan, that is for one month. They are talking about those that download more than that every day.
I can explain it most simply to you. If you live and work in an area with little or no ATT coverage then Verizon is your best option, warts and all. It's really that basic.
It really has nothing to do with being a fanboy. I don't believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that there is such a thing as a Verizon fanboy, or any other kind of wireless carrier appreciation fan base.
There are Star Trek fans, football fans, railroad fans, cooling fans, but I don't think there are any Verizon fans anymore than there are oil company fans or toaster oven fans or health insurance fans. They provide a service that people need.
Reminder to you all that if you have an At&t unlimited plan....They do the same thing at 5g's.
So they are throttling data a week before the official launch date? Is the pre-ordering affecting them that much that they need to throttle data from users on their already slow ?3G? network?
SF/NYC AT&T customer: [I] eat breakfast 300 yards away from [an AT&T tower and still can?t hold a call more than 5 minutes]. And nobody's going to tell [me] how to run [my] unit least of all the [college dropout] in his faggoty [black turtleneck]. [We] need to shake [AT&T], put [them] on the defensive and lead [them] right where [they need to go].
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Reminder to you all that if you have an At&t unlimited plan....They do the same thing at 5g's.
No they don't.
Edit: I should say, "No they don't with the iPhone plans," they did have the 5gb limit in the "unlimited data" for blackberry devices with data connect tethering.
I honestly don't know why he is a troll. Either unlimited means unlimited or it doesn't. Can you imagine ordering the all you can eat buffet and then after your third round being told you have exceeded the amount you are allowed to eat? We all know there are caps, but that doesn't make it right. I am amazed by most Americans willingness to bend over for big companies and even argue on their behalf. In France, they'd be tipping cars over and lighting buildings of fire. That is the revolutionary spirit that is long dead in American and is what put the Country on the map.
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You just admitted to being a 5% top user. I believe you have an expectation here, but are not-even-close to your typical user.
Really, this can happen on any internet connection. Nothing new to see here, except trolls.
I honestly don't know why he is a troll. Either unlimited means unlimited or it doesn't. Can you imagine ordering the all you can eat buffet and then after your third round being told you have exceeded the amount you are allowed to eat? We all know there are caps, but that doesn't make it right. I am amazed by most Americans willingness to bend over for big companies and even argue on their behalf. In France, they'd be tipping cars over and lighting buildings of fire. That is the revolutionary spirit that is long dead in American and is what put the Country on the map.
Unlimited can limited in other regards. Are you allowed to eat at that unlimited buffet every day for the rest of your life after paying just once? Of course not, it?s limited to one meal, one session, one duration. Even the unlimited nights and weekends are limited to the hours available in that time frame, just as unlimited data that is for a specific type usage (not tethering) may not be included.
This stuff is all in the agreement and should be common sense. Unlimited simply doesn?t mean unlimited in every single way one can imagine, therefore this term has to be defined as unlimited within certain parameters.
Given that they are throttling based on high consumption and a relatively small cut of folks, they would likely pass inspection. And at least they are being upfront and telling folks before they are in a contract etc
I've said it many times now , iPhone users are data hogs! And now Verizon is offering them unlimited data, but punish them when they use that presumably "unlimited" data. This is foul on verizons part. And that "small cut of folks" is actually 4.7million people. Funny how they announce this the day of the iPhone preorder and just weeks after saying their network could handle it. I can't wait to turn on the news and see the epic fail of their launch too.
All you data hogging jailbreakers are not welcome on VZW. I'm on my phone a lot and never get past 3GB.
But the top 5% threshold could mean you would hit Verizon's throttling well before you hit 2gb, possibly before you hit 1 gb. Only 2% of AT&T's data hogs exceed the 2GB, so at 3 GB you would be one of the top hogs. Hows that feel?
CNET just did this review, and they confirm what most people will see soon enough.
I just logged onto verizon's site and had no problem with ordering!
So, this points out what we already know?
Can't wait to see testing of Verizon "trouble spots" in the future.
Oh, that's right Verizon doesn't have ANY trouble spots.
And... while I understand San Fran has been getting the short stick in reference to performance of the iPhone from AT&T not everyone lives in this 1 city. There are plenty of places where Verizon (or any other carrier) has poor service as well.
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AT&T wasn't lying when they said that Verizon users would experience life in the slow lane. Yes, I'm laughing but I use Verizon Mifi card. I won't anymore if ATT gets wifi hotspot.
Every other Wireless Carrier (US and Global) will get this feature on Feb 13th (IOS 4.3). Apple is allowing Verizon to suggest that this is a unique feature for now.
However, just remember...with Verizon, the wifi Hotspot will fail once a call comes in (or out).
You've obviously never even read the terms of service of virtually any ISP.
Comcast caps at 250GB a month. They throttle the heaviest users down from the maximum speed for which they've paid. They're not alone in doing so.
Comcast is a perfect example. You know up front what the limit is (250gb) and you know after you hit it, you will be throttled until the end of the month. Verizon does not tell you how much data you can use, they just say 5%. Based on AT&T usage data, that could happen below 1 gb! Once you hit the mystery threshold, Verizon will throttle you for the rest of the month, and then throttle you the entire next month as a punishment.
Name one other Internet provider in the US with both of those "terms of service".
Usage charging is typical for many scarce resources. One only has to look at talk minutes to see how common it really is. Haven't seen Time Of Day (TOD) usage numbers but it would seem that having both peak and off peak data allocations, much like minutes, would help out. That way large software downloads could occur overnight and not impact daytime usage. There probably are enough cell phone carriers out there that one of them will figure this out. Virgin Mobile already has a USD 25 plan with 5 gigs of data and 300 minutes of talk with no contract. The second tier players seem much more competitive then either ATT or Verizon.
Just my USD 0.02 worth
They have.
Much like commuting during rush hour. More traffic. Less speed. More time. And it is very common, if not, for all service providers in Europe.
As for Virgin Mobile USD 25 plan, that is for one month. They are talking about those that download more than that every day.
I can explain it most simply to you. If you live and work in an area with little or no ATT coverage then Verizon is your best option, warts and all. It's really that basic.
It really has nothing to do with being a fanboy. I don't believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that there is such a thing as a Verizon fanboy, or any other kind of wireless carrier appreciation fan base.
There are Star Trek fans, football fans, railroad fans, cooling fans, but I don't think there are any Verizon fans anymore than there are oil company fans or toaster oven fans or health insurance fans. They provide a service that people need.
Reminder to you all that if you have an At&t unlimited plan....They do the same thing at 5g's.
AT&T wasn't lying when they said that Verizon users would experience life in the slow lane.
And Verizon wasn't lying when they said the iPhone launch would
"show our loyal customers and new ones what our culture is all about."
CNET just did this review, and they confirm what most people will see soon enough.
I just logged onto verizon's site and had no problem with ordering!
Verizon can't handle the truth.
Verizon customer: I want the [throughput]!
AT&T customer: You can't handle the [throughput]!
SF/NYC AT&T customer: [I] eat breakfast 300 yards away from [an AT&T tower and still can?t hold a call more than 5 minutes]. And nobody's going to tell [me] how to run [my] unit least of all the [college dropout] in his faggoty [black turtleneck]. [We] need to shake [AT&T], put [them] on the defensive and lead [them] right where [they need to go].
Reminder to you all that if you have an At&t unlimited plan....They do the same thing at 5g's.
No they don't.
Edit: I should say, "No they don't with the iPhone plans," they did have the 5gb limit in the "unlimited data" for blackberry devices with data connect tethering.
You just admitted to being a 5% top user. I believe you have an expectation here, but are not-even-close to your typical user.
Really, this can happen on any internet connection. Nothing new to see here, except trolls.
I honestly don't know why he is a troll. Either unlimited means unlimited or it doesn't. Can you imagine ordering the all you can eat buffet and then after your third round being told you have exceeded the amount you are allowed to eat? We all know there are caps, but that doesn't make it right. I am amazed by most Americans willingness to bend over for big companies and even argue on their behalf. In France, they'd be tipping cars over and lighting buildings of fire. That is the revolutionary spirit that is long dead in American and is what put the Country on the map.
Unlimited can limited in other regards. Are you allowed to eat at that unlimited buffet every day for the rest of your life after paying just once? Of course not, it?s limited to one meal, one session, one duration. Even the unlimited nights and weekends are limited to the hours available in that time frame, just as unlimited data that is for a specific type usage (not tethering) may not be included.
This stuff is all in the agreement and should be common sense. Unlimited simply doesn?t mean unlimited in every single way one can imagine, therefore this term has to be defined as unlimited within certain parameters.
Given that they are throttling based on high consumption and a relatively small cut of folks, they would likely pass inspection. And at least they are being upfront and telling folks before they are in a contract etc
I've said it many times now , iPhone users are data hogs! And now Verizon is offering them unlimited data, but punish them when they use that presumably "unlimited" data. This is foul on verizons part. And that "small cut of folks" is actually 4.7million people. Funny how they announce this the day of the iPhone preorder and just weeks after saying their network could handle it. I can't wait to turn on the news and see the epic fail of their launch too.
All you data hogging jailbreakers are not welcome on VZW. I'm on my phone a lot and never get past 3GB.
Yes, because you have to jailbreak to be a data hog.
All you data hogging jailbreakers are not welcome on VZW. I'm on my phone a lot and never get past 3GB.
But the top 5% threshold could mean you would hit Verizon's throttling well before you hit 2gb, possibly before you hit 1 gb. Only 2% of AT&T's data hogs exceed the 2GB, so at 3 GB you would be one of the top hogs. Hows that feel?
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CNET just did this review, and they confirm what most people will see soon enough.
I just logged onto verizon's site and had no problem with ordering!
So, this points out what we already know?
Can't wait to see testing of Verizon "trouble spots" in the future.
Oh, that's right Verizon doesn't have ANY trouble spots.
And... while I understand San Fran has been getting the short stick in reference to performance of the iPhone from AT&T not everyone lives in this 1 city. There are plenty of places where Verizon (or any other carrier) has poor service as well.