Verizon: iPhone 4 launch largest in its history, LTE on the way

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  • Reply 21 of 48
    Would have been a great time to refute the 555k of sales for the launch. But they didn't. Apple and att were always boasting about their sales right after launch.



    Put up or shut up. It isn't as if there are rational reasons not to buy the iphone4 right now, so they shouldn't feel like it is some big surprise that they didn't sell 50 billion.
  • Reply 22 of 48
    I mean, come on. What level of reasoning does it take to know that Verizon wasn't going to be selling tens of millions of a phone that's been sold to the point of saturation for over three years, mere months before the next upgrade model is due? They knew they wouldn't have the same type of launch as AT&T. Nobody knew exactly what to expect. And to assume it was a failure just because there weren't queues around the block is just plain ignorant.
  • Reply 23 of 48
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    Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post


    Does anyone even understand what the Android business model is for Google? ...



    Why the hell are analysts praising Android to the sky just because of its growing market share? ...



    In addition to ad clicks, Android is also all about personal information collection. In fact, one can make a credible argument that that's its primary purpose. Google has an insatiable appetite for collecting personal data, going so far recently as concocting a scheme to collect the social security numbers of children under the pretense of a doodle competition.



    As to your second question, there has always been a strong anti-apple sentiment among many analysts and "journalists" (loosely defined as including bloggers), as well as among many people who pride themselves on being "tech experts". Previously, their champion was Microsoft but, when Microsoft lost all credibility a few years back as a serious player in the tech industry, most of these people switched their allegiance to Google. It's the same mentality and arguments that were in support of Microsoft back in the day that are now found in the adoration of Google: a blind eye to the company's antisocial tendencies, and a declaration of them as a Juggernaut that will sweep away all in its path, including Apple.
  • Reply 24 of 48
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
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    Originally Posted by NextTechnocrati View Post


    I will only call Android a major player when ONE Android device topples any iOS device (including iPod Nano) in terms of consumer patronage. In the meantime Android is still a mere flash in the pan and can't win against iOS on one device.



    I don't think that's a realistic goalpost, in fact, this has a strong feeling of a moved goalpost.
  • Reply 25 of 48
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    Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post


    In the next 2 years, 80% of all Androids will be Chinese. Enjoys that.



    100% of Apple iPhones are Chinese and have been since day 1.
  • Reply 26 of 48
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    I don't think that's a realistic goalpost, in fact, this has a strong feeling of a moved goalpost.



    Yes, fanbois can move the goalposts all they want. The reality is there are a lot of people who are walking around with a phone in their pocket that is running Android. You can argue device vs. devices, phone OS vs. mobile OS etc. until you are blue in the face, but that fact remains people are still buying Android devices and there are still people who are choosing them over iOS devices. Hopefully Apple is not as dismissive of the competition as their foolish fans.
  • Reply 27 of 48
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by cy_starkman View Post


    Android isn't a player, nor is Google. Motorola, Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony are.



    And none of them have released anything that has even dinted Apple.



    But thanks for proving my point by actually writing the very thing I said you would.



    It was surprising though that you didn't attack my intentionally fanboi crap on about the Xoom launch, it was such a lead in... guess that would mean.. nah, I've had my moment of fun.



    Thanks for playing.



    You can even have my bud light.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post


    Does anyone even understand what the Android business model is for Google? They're giving it away and theoretically they're supposed to be making money from ad clicks or something like that. Are there any numbers being given on exactly how much revenue Google makes from Android ad clicks. Even carriers aren't making that much from Android since as you see, Verizon badly wanted the iPhone despite all the available Android smartphones. Motorola is using free Android exclusively. Do they seem to be getting rich from it. No, they're losing money from their mobile division. It seems as though Samsung is the only company benefiting from Android.



    Why the hell are analysts praising Android to the sky just because of its growing market share? Look at Nokia's mess. They had huge market share and started losing money because the market share they had wasn't worth spit. Analysts are supposed to be praising financial success through a good business model and what type of financial success has Android had. So, either Android's monetary returns are hidden or it's merely a poor business model. If you look at Google's share price since Android was released, it doesn't seem any better than before they turned Android loose on the world despite this huge Android growth past Apple's iOS. So, Android does not seem to be doing anything at all for Google, share-wise.



    So far everyone is losing in Android land. HTC is the only one of the companies that is even show a slight bump in profits since Android started, and it is a joke compared to a real manufacturing company like Apple.



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    Actually the Androidians are hearing that this iPhone is also plagued by the same antenna issue as the last one according to Consumer Reports. So it would seem that its the same old and tired iPhone as usual. iPhone just cant win these days now can it.



    Android rules



    CR is delusional. The iPhone 4 is 2010s #1 selling handset (not just Smartphone). The iPhone IV is the most profitable handset in the world. The iOS platform is the largest mobile app platform in the world (even if you only count v4.2).



    JD Powers will release their smartphone consumer satisfaction ratings in April. Apple will still be #1 just like last year..



    What exactly is Android ruling?





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    Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post


    Yes, fanbois can move the goalposts all they want. The reality is there are a lot of people who are walking around with a phone in their pocket that is running Android. You can argue device vs. devices, phone OS vs. mobile OS etc. until you are blue in the face, but that fact remains people are still buying Android devices and there are still people who are choosing them over iOS devices. Hopefully Apple is not as dismissive of the competition as their foolish fans.



    What goal post was moved? Do you really think there is any Android phone that will outsell the iPhone on Verizon this year? Do you even think there is any Android os version that will outsell the iPhone on Verizon this year?
  • Reply 28 of 48
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post


    Does anyone even understand what the Android business model is for Google? They're giving it away and theoretically they're supposed to be making money from ad clicks or something like that. Are there any numbers being given on exactly how much revenue Google makes from Android ad clicks. Even carriers aren't making that much from Android since as you see, Verizon badly wanted the iPhone despite all the available Android smartphones. Motorola is using free Android exclusively. Do they seem to be getting rich from it. No, they're losing money from their mobile division. It seems as though Samsung is the only company benefiting from Android.



    Why the hell are analysts praising Android to the sky just because of its growing market share? Look at Nokia's mess. They had huge market share and started losing money because the market share they had wasn't worth spit. Analysts are supposed to be praising financial success through a good business model and what type of financial success has Android had. So, either Android's monetary returns are hidden or it's merely a poor business model. If you look at Google's share price since Android was released, it doesn't seem any better than before they turned Android loose on the world despite this huge Android growth past Apple's iOS. So, Android does not seem to be doing anything at all for Google, share-wise.



    Google makes an average of $5.90 on each phone per year just from ads. As of one year from androids initial release, Google made over a billion dollars off of android ads, services, and the app market. The growing market share is important because this allows ads to reach a larger amount of people which makes the ads more valuable.



    Android is not doing anything for Google? If you read the end of quarter reports you will see that android has increased Google's profits by 23%.



    Comparing Google stock to Apple stock is like comparing apples to oranges. Apple doesn't pay dividends, the only way you make money on Apple stock is with share price increase. Google on the other hand doesn't need it's stock price to go up for investors to make money because Google pays it's investors a portion of the profits thou dividends.
  • Reply 29 of 48
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Nah, if Android didn't exist, we'd have invented one.



    It just happens to be the most convenient thing around, since it's the largest. It's persistent knocking off of Apple's ideas does seem to raise a few hackles, though.



    And it's not like anyone (other than phone companies) is making a whole lot of money on it, esp. not Google..... when someone starts to see some actual returns, it'll be really interesting.



    You're right about one thing you guys just go from one obsession to another. You guys are like a bunch of ADHD puppets. This it the only technology forum I have ever been too where over 50% of the members post only to bash everything they can and have unrealistic expectations about what Apple product is going to be released.



    The really sad part is even the smart membes on this forum feed into this behavior and gets the sheep all wound up. If you took the AppleInsider off the forum you would think this was a therapy forum for people with anger and self esteem issues. Which is why overall people think Apple users are dickheads.
  • Reply 30 of 48
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    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    You're right about one thing you guys just go from one obsession to another. You guys are like a bunch of ADHD puppets.



    It's the Gamer Soda
  • Reply 31 of 48
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
    I gotta say verizon is handling itself very well lately. They've signed up the iPhone, but on good terms with other platforms as well. Much more platform neutral and much more focused on network building (with lte) then AT&T. Verizon has very good couple of years ahead of it I think. AT&T wil have a harder time keeping up.
  • Reply 32 of 48
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    Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post


    100% of Apple iPhones are Chinese and have been since day 1.



    That's a bullshit argument and you know it. The iPhone is designed in Cupertino, unlike ZTE and the millions of no-name Chinese Android brands that will dominate Android OS sales. I hope you understand what designed in Cupertino means. It DOESN"T mean there's a few people here and a million in Israel or India or China doing the work.



    All the major consumer electronics are MADE in China. If it isn't made in China, it isn't high volume. Stop that disingenuous bullcrap.
  • Reply 33 of 48
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    You're right about one thing you guys just go from one obsession to another. You guys are like a bunch of ADHD puppets. This it the only technology forum I have ever been too where over 50% of the members post only to bash everything they can and have unrealistic expectations about what Apple product is going to be released.



    The really sad part is even the smart membes on this forum feed into this behavior and gets the sheep all wound up. If you took the AppleInsider off the forum you would think this was a therapy forum for people with anger and self esteem issues. Which is why overall people think Apple users are dickheads.



    The irony is killing me.
  • Reply 34 of 48
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    You're right about one thing you guys just go from one obsession to another. You guys are like a bunch of ADHD puppets. This it the only technology forum I have ever been too where over 50% of the members post only to bash everything they can and have unrealistic expectations about what Apple product is going to be released.



    The really sad part is even the smart membes on this forum feed into this behavior and gets the sheep all wound up. If you took the AppleInsider off the forum you would think this was a therapy forum for people with anger and self esteem issues. Which is why overall people think Apple users are dickheads.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mobility View Post


    The irony is killing me.



    Exactly! There's obsessed and then there's deranged......
  • Reply 35 of 48
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Exactly! There's obsessed and then there's deranged......



    The only thing deranged is the person typing on your keyboard. Hard to believe its an adult. Like I said to you in another thread, its easy to behave in this manner when you have the luxury of hiding behind a computer. Which seems to be an issue on this forum.



    Your repeated childish and cowardly behavior is pretty sad for a grown man. Which I am using the term man loosely.
  • Reply 36 of 48
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    Originally Posted by mobility View Post


    The irony is killing me.



    Not soon enough.
  • Reply 37 of 48
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
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    Originally Posted by Chrispoe View Post


    ...Google pays it's investors a portion of the profits thou dividends.



    You are mistaken.
  • Reply 38 of 48
    drdoppiodrdoppio Posts: 1,132member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    ...

    The really sad part is even the smart membes on this forum feed into this behavior and gets the sheep all wound up...



    What you really need to understand is that the few very smart people here are AAPL stock owners -- they are perfectly capable of forming an informed and honest opinion (often more so than myself), but they have an investment to take care of. Then, there's the 80% losers who only come here to get a sense of belonging, hoping that Apple's glitter will somehow stick to them just because they spent their hard-earned money buying Apple's products.



    The real question is what the other 10% of people do here, those that are simply technology enthusiasts with interest in the most successful electronics company but without stock ownership. This is the group I belong to, and I often feel unwelcome mostly due to the fact that the intelligent Apple supporters here readily tolerate the mindless brainwashed drones and their idiotic comments...



    I actively participate in other on-line communities (including ones focused on Apple's direct competitors) and believe me, they are a lot more tolerant of different opinions. I can not help it but think that comparing Apple's following to a cult is rather justified.
  • Reply 39 of 48
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    Originally Posted by PersonalTaste View Post


    hahahhah dude, this is Apple, not Sammy that freaking going back and forth with the Galaxy Tab number which is a POS. Nothing can't compete with Apple. Tell me a freaking company on this planet earth that can come close to Apple in technology.



    Android = POS that google trying to copy Apple and give it free to all the POS manufactures and you Droidtard thinks it better LMAOL. Wait till you see pop up with ads on your android phone, droidtard. look what google did to youtube with all the freaking ads showing up all the time.



    Oh yes, and iads don't pop up on apple devices. YouTube is also powered purely on unicorn rainbows as well; why would it need to sustain itself on ads?
  • Reply 40 of 48
    I was in a small mall in Reno NV. In the mall there was a ATT and Verizon cell phone kiosk side by side. Both had big banners promoting their version of the iphone. I talk to the manager of the Verizon kios and asked about how the iphone sales were going. She told me that they were selling about 35-50 iphones a day which she was very happy with because they were a very small kiosk in a small mall. She said the bigger kios and stories were doing 100 phones a day. The one thing that really got my attention was the manager told me that since they started to sale the iphone 4, was that the sale of Android phones had drop to 3 to 5 a day. I know that this was only one small cell phone kiosk but I found the info the manager told me was interesting. When the Android phone was in direct competion with the iphone people chose the iphone most of the time. What also was interesting was how much the two cell phone kiosk were competing for iphone customers.
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