I have a mid-2009 MBP with Apple 256GB SSD. I can confirm (after a 10.6.7 combo-update) that SSD Trim is NOT enabled. I opened a support case with Apple Care (210949103) with a callback scheduled tomorrow afternoon.
I'm unhappy that Apple gave a custom Snow Leopard build with SSD Trim support to new MBPs while penalizing those of us who adopted early (I paid $3854 in June 2009) and have never had the benefit of that feature.
I assume you have the TS256A or just TS256? Do you know if the drive itself supports TRIM? It might not... whereas the TS256B does have hardware support.... as does the TS256C.
I am happy your voicing your concerns to apple, however I don't think they would feel obligated based on price... I presume the majority of that money went straight to the flash manufacturers.
Have you noticed any slowdowns? I have not read a single case of anyone experiencing performance degradation on a mac with the factory SSD. Just sayin, it might not be worth your time unless your experiencing problems.
Yes I will what it does it ensures that all parts of the update will be installed not just the parts that are perceived as "extra and changed" what this means is that its almost like a fresh install it completely over write all files so you have a nice default update ... what this also means is if there was any left over corrupted files or any part of the OS that may have been previously installed that may be out of whack it gets replaced too so you know nothing has been left out
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Originally Posted by Graeme
hi,
in addition to what nuvolino said if you have a few macs to update e.g a MacPro, Macbook Pro, iMac, Mini Mac and a Macbook Air or a few different generations of the same type of mac then you only need to download one update (the Combo) and it does the job for all of them.
I wasn't the one who asked, but thanks! I always wondered what the difference was, as well. Now I know.
I will try. A daisy chain can be attached to the Thunderbolt port, which in turn, ties into a specialized Thunderbolt chip, which connects as a PCIe to the system board. Each device on the daisy chain contains a specialized Thunderbolt chip for that device, which translates the data stream as needed for that device.
If you have a storage device in the daisy chain, it will have an input and an output (for devices further down the chain for a maximum of six devices). There are a number of restrictions, such as the display being the last device on the chain.
Thunderbolt keeps storage data and display data separate on the 2 available channels of Thunderbolt. No need for USB, Firewire, or mini-DisplayPort on the daisy chain; it is handled at a very fast speed on Thunderbolt. I would guess that eventually those other ports will fade out on Macs, and maybe other Apple products.
What I wonder is this: will the first device in the Thunderbolt chain have to be switched on in order to use the second device? With my firewire hard drives, I can't just turn a device on - it won't be recognized unless every device before it in the chain is on.
As you can see, Apple sells you a $50 Hub (hopefully with proprietary technology a la ipod cable that prevents low-cost alternatives) you didn't previously need, and in return you get a much-needed speed boost over the archaeic Firewire 800/HDMI combo. You also save lots of space on the side of your computer by eliminating the firewire port!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course, your iPhone and iPad still use the proprietary iPod cable->USB, so you'll need to hang onto the USB ports for a few more years, but don't worry, soon that problem will be solved by another smart, proprietary cable (iPod->Thunderbolt anyone?) that replaces your current one for just $49.99!!!
I cannot play Matroska .mkv file in Safari. Apple still hasn't extended VDADecoder support for ATI, Intel, and rest of NVidia as GT8600M used in older MacBook Pros.
Isn't it all just data? What difference should it make if that data is going to a display or a printer or a magnetic platter?
And far from illogical. If you have a laptop and at home you have your external display, speakers, TimeMachine backup disk, printer, etc, you just plug in a single cable (well, two if you count power) and your laptop it "docked" with your desktop setup.
Bingo!!! Having just bought a new 15" MBP this past weekend I'm absolutely looking forward to this. Plug in power and the Thunderbolt and that's it. Right now plugging in my work laptop at home I'm plugging in 4 different cables (Ethernet, power, monitor, and USB keyboard).
This thread is comical. I'm going to ratchet it up a notch: mrstep I completely agree with your post... Except, I'm happy on my Android phone. Just thought I'd throw one more wrench in this thread.
Updating ...
I have an Android phone for development as well, haven't been that impressed - but then I keep looking at things thinking 'And here's another spot where my parents would get lost...' Very curious about the new Pre stuff though, including the multitasking implementation for the tablet - which iOS fundamentally isn't set up for (thanks to the 1 app window thing...). Maybe with iOS 5? (But then, I actually thought that 1 app at a time was something every user could just 'get' on a phone - no task manager, no strange double-click to find the icons of recently run (or running???) apps, etc., though multitasking is more important/useful at the iPad form factor.)
And to be fair, I know there have been some trojans on Android (and jail-broken iPhones), but I don't know of any actual viruses there either, just had someone ask me what virus scan I run on my phone. Ugh. If you want to see really annoying mixing of virus/worm/trojan into one term 'virus', then being used to justify saying the Mac is full of viruses (?), check out some of the Jason Mick articles on DailyTech. OMG. Which has sensitized me to seeing these virus claims. Sure, maybe 1 day, maybe an actual virus is technically possible, but there just hasn't been one.
OK, but enough of that - what I meant to say was...
Happy on your Android phone!?!? DAMN YOU, AQUATIC, DAAAAAAMN YOU!!!!!!
Just fired up Steam and every Valve game from Half Life Ep2 to Portal and Team Fortress 2 have taken a hit as far as frame rates go. HL EP2 has gone from smooth to unplayable in scenes with a lot of action. Anyone else have the same issues? I'm on an ultimate 11" Air and yes, I do game on it.
I assume you have the TS256A or just TS256? Do you know if the drive itself supports TRIM? It might not... whereas the TS256B does have hardware support.... as does the TS256C.
I am happy your voicing your concerns to apple, however I don't think they would feel obligated based on price... I presume the majority of that money went straight to the flash manufacturers.
Have you noticed any slowdowns? I have not read a single case of anyone experiencing performance degradation on a mac with the factory SSD. Just sayin, it might not be worth your time unless your experiencing problems.
I've got an OCZ Vertex2 25nm and it definitely supports TRIM, but alas, no Apple love. Not a big deal, as I have also heard that TRIM is not necessary if you're using the Mac OS, as there's virtually no performance degradation without it.
I have an Android phone for development as well, haven't been that impressed - but then I keep looking at things thinking 'And here's another spot where my parents would get lost...' Very curious about the new Pre stuff though, including the multitasking implementation for the tablet - which iOS fundamentally isn't set up for (thanks to the 1 app window thing...). Maybe with iOS 5? (But then, I actually thought that 1 app at a time was something every user could just 'get' on a phone - no task manager, no strange double-click to find the icons of recently run (or running???) apps, etc., though multitasking is more important/useful at the iPad form factor.)
And to be fair, I know there have been some trojans on Android (and jail-broken iPhones), but I don't know of any actual viruses there either, just had someone ask me what virus scan I run on my phone. Ugh. If you want to see really annoying mixing of virus/worm/trojan into one term 'virus', then being used to justify saying the Mac is full of viruses (?), check out some of the Jason Mick articles on DailyTech. OMG. Which has sensitized me to seeing these virus claims. Sure, maybe 1 day, maybe an actual virus is technically possible, but there just hasn't been one.
OK, but enough of that - what I meant to say was...
Happy on your Android phone!?!? DAMN YOU, AQUATIC, DAAAAAAMN YOU!!!!!!
I agree iPhone is probably a better smartphone for casual users. I like my bewildering array of menus. I hope Android vs. Apple makes them both better, and I think it already is. iOS will get better notifications, and Android will hopefully continue to polish the UI. It's all about the best tool for the job, which depends on the user. Android I'm rapidly learning was by far the best choice for my use and preferences. Although before 2.2 it wouldn't have been, but now, it does a lot iPhone does not that I need. For example I actually genuinely need Flash.
Wait, what I meant to say was Damn YOU mrstep!!!! DAMN YOU times INFINITY!!!!
Careful, or you'll get added to someone's ignore list....
I installed last night on my big iMac (pre-metal iMacs) with no issues. Will do my baby iMac tonight.
You're lucky... if you had waited for the v1 metal iMac you would most likely not have been able to install this latest update... a fault in the graphics card keeps you stuck at 10.6.2.
[Hey... it's my first bitch with Apple and I'm going to milk it!... it hasn't kept me from buying new Apple products, though.]
You're lucky... if you had waited for the v1 metal iMac you would most likely not have been able to install this latest update... a fault in the graphics card keeps you stuck at 10.6.2.
That's complete fallacy, though, so there's not much to milk.
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well, fuck you too, I didn't ask for your fucking opinion on what I said, so put me in your ignore list and fuck off, plonk, yeah, fuck off.
I can feel the love...
All I can say is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw
I have a mid-2009 MBP with Apple 256GB SSD. I can confirm (after a 10.6.7 combo-update) that SSD Trim is NOT enabled. I opened a support case with Apple Care (210949103) with a callback scheduled tomorrow afternoon.
I'm unhappy that Apple gave a custom Snow Leopard build with SSD Trim support to new MBPs while penalizing those of us who adopted early (I paid $3854 in June 2009) and have never had the benefit of that feature.
There is also a discussion in the Apple Support Forums: http://discussions.apple.com/thread....63208#13263208
I assume you have the TS256A or just TS256? Do you know if the drive itself supports TRIM? It might not... whereas the TS256B does have hardware support.... as does the TS256C.
I am happy your voicing your concerns to apple, however I don't think they would feel obligated based on price... I presume the majority of that money went straight to the flash manufacturers.
Have you noticed any slowdowns? I have not read a single case of anyone experiencing performance degradation on a mac with the factory SSD. Just sayin, it might not be worth your time unless your experiencing problems.
Yes I will what it does it ensures that all parts of the update will be installed not just the parts that are perceived as "extra and changed" what this means is that its almost like a fresh install it completely over write all files so you have a nice default update ... what this also means is if there was any left over corrupted files or any part of the OS that may have been previously installed that may be out of whack it gets replaced too so you know nothing has been left out
hi,
in addition to what nuvolino said if you have a few macs to update e.g a MacPro, Macbook Pro, iMac, Mini Mac and a Macbook Air or a few different generations of the same type of mac then you only need to download one update (the Combo) and it does the job for all of them.
I wasn't the one who asked, but thanks! I always wondered what the difference was, as well. Now I know.
I will try. A daisy chain can be attached to the Thunderbolt port, which in turn, ties into a specialized Thunderbolt chip, which connects as a PCIe to the system board. Each device on the daisy chain contains a specialized Thunderbolt chip for that device, which translates the data stream as needed for that device.
If you have a storage device in the daisy chain, it will have an input and an output (for devices further down the chain for a maximum of six devices). There are a number of restrictions, such as the display being the last device on the chain.
Thunderbolt keeps storage data and display data separate on the 2 available channels of Thunderbolt. No need for USB, Firewire, or mini-DisplayPort on the daisy chain; it is handled at a very fast speed on Thunderbolt. I would guess that eventually those other ports will fade out on Macs, and maybe other Apple products.
http://www.mac-thunderbolt.com/lightpeak/tbolt-faq.html
What I wonder is this: will the first device in the Thunderbolt chain have to be switched on in order to use the second device? With my firewire hard drives, I can't just turn a device on - it won't be recognized unless every device before it in the chain is on.
When I play HD movie in Quicktime X or XBMC, battery drops 4 times in performance as CPU is doing all the work. Feels like Flash...
Still no support for hardware accelerated h.264 decode on MacBook Pro 2011. Neither on Intel HD, neither on ATI.
When I play HD movie in Quicktime X or XBMC, battery drops 4 times in performance as CPU is doing all the work. Feels like Flash...
Have you tried using Safari?
Can somebody explain the logic of combining a display port with a storage port? Seems like a big (and illogical) jump to me.
Very logical:
Instead of the current flow of HDD-Firewire-MBook + Display-HDMI-MBook, the near future will be:
HDD-Firewire-Thunderbolt Hub-MBook + Display-HDMI-Thunderbolt Hub-MBook
As you can see, Apple sells you a $50 Hub (hopefully with proprietary technology a la ipod cable that prevents low-cost alternatives) you didn't previously need, and in return you get a much-needed speed boost over the archaeic Firewire 800/HDMI combo. You also save lots of space on the side of your computer by eliminating the firewire port!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course, your iPhone and iPad still use the proprietary iPod cable->USB, so you'll need to hang onto the USB ports for a few more years, but don't worry, soon that problem will be solved by another smart, proprietary cable (iPod->Thunderbolt anyone?) that replaces your current one for just $49.99!!!
Have you tried using Safari?
I cannot play Matroska .mkv file in Safari. Apple still hasn't extended VDADecoder support for ATI, Intel, and rest of NVidia as GT8600M used in older MacBook Pros.
http://developer.apple.com/library/m...10/tn2267.html
As result, all video, including Flash, are unable to take advantage of GPU h.264 offload.
Isn't it all just data? What difference should it make if that data is going to a display or a printer or a magnetic platter?
And far from illogical. If you have a laptop and at home you have your external display, speakers, TimeMachine backup disk, printer, etc, you just plug in a single cable (well, two if you count power) and your laptop it "docked" with your desktop setup.
Bingo!!! Having just bought a new 15" MBP this past weekend I'm absolutely looking forward to this. Plug in power and the Thunderbolt and that's it. Right now plugging in my work laptop at home I'm plugging in 4 different cables (Ethernet, power, monitor, and USB keyboard).
The next thing you'll want is for it to wipe your butt...
I can handle my own, but if it would take care of my son's that would be nice.
This thread is comical. I'm going to ratchet it up a notch: mrstep I completely agree with your post... Except, I'm happy on my Android phone. Just thought I'd throw one more wrench in this thread.
Updating ...
I have an Android phone for development as well, haven't been that impressed - but then I keep looking at things thinking 'And here's another spot where my parents would get lost...' Very curious about the new Pre stuff though, including the multitasking implementation for the tablet - which iOS fundamentally isn't set up for (thanks to the 1 app window thing...). Maybe with iOS 5? (But then, I actually thought that 1 app at a time was something every user could just 'get' on a phone - no task manager, no strange double-click to find the icons of recently run (or running???) apps, etc., though multitasking is more important/useful at the iPad form factor.)
And to be fair, I know there have been some trojans on Android (and jail-broken iPhones), but I don't know of any actual viruses there either, just had someone ask me what virus scan I run on my phone. Ugh. If you want to see really annoying mixing of virus/worm/trojan into one term 'virus', then being used to justify saying the Mac is full of viruses (?), check out some of the Jason Mick articles on DailyTech. OMG. Which has sensitized me to seeing these virus claims. Sure, maybe 1 day, maybe an actual virus is technically possible, but there just hasn't been one.
OK, but enough of that - what I meant to say was...
Happy on your Android phone!?!? DAMN YOU, AQUATIC, DAAAAAAMN YOU!!!!!!
I assume you have the TS256A or just TS256? Do you know if the drive itself supports TRIM? It might not... whereas the TS256B does have hardware support.... as does the TS256C.
I am happy your voicing your concerns to apple, however I don't think they would feel obligated based on price... I presume the majority of that money went straight to the flash manufacturers.
Have you noticed any slowdowns? I have not read a single case of anyone experiencing performance degradation on a mac with the factory SSD. Just sayin, it might not be worth your time unless your experiencing problems.
I've got an OCZ Vertex2 25nm and it definitely supports TRIM, but alas, no Apple love. Not a big deal, as I have also heard that TRIM is not necessary if you're using the Mac OS, as there's virtually no performance degradation without it.
Agreed.
Careful, or you'll get added to someone's ignore list....
I installed last night on my big iMac (pre-metal iMacs) with no issues. Will do my baby iMac tonight.
I have an Android phone for development as well, haven't been that impressed - but then I keep looking at things thinking 'And here's another spot where my parents would get lost...' Very curious about the new Pre stuff though, including the multitasking implementation for the tablet - which iOS fundamentally isn't set up for (thanks to the 1 app window thing...). Maybe with iOS 5? (But then, I actually thought that 1 app at a time was something every user could just 'get' on a phone - no task manager, no strange double-click to find the icons of recently run (or running???) apps, etc., though multitasking is more important/useful at the iPad form factor.)
And to be fair, I know there have been some trojans on Android (and jail-broken iPhones), but I don't know of any actual viruses there either, just had someone ask me what virus scan I run on my phone. Ugh. If you want to see really annoying mixing of virus/worm/trojan into one term 'virus', then being used to justify saying the Mac is full of viruses (?), check out some of the Jason Mick articles on DailyTech. OMG. Which has sensitized me to seeing these virus claims. Sure, maybe 1 day, maybe an actual virus is technically possible, but there just hasn't been one.
OK, but enough of that - what I meant to say was...
Happy on your Android phone!?!? DAMN YOU, AQUATIC, DAAAAAAMN YOU!!!!!!
I agree iPhone is probably a better smartphone for casual users. I like my bewildering array of menus.
Wait, what I meant to say was Damn YOU mrstep!!!! DAMN YOU times INFINITY!!!!
OpenGL Graphics Test\t104.46\t
\tSpinning Squares\t104.46\t132.52 frames/sec
under 10.6.6
to
OpenGL Graphics Test\t71.73\t
\tSpinning Squares\t71.73\t91.00 frames/sec
Under 10.6.7
Careful, or you'll get added to someone's ignore list....
I installed last night on my big iMac (pre-metal iMacs) with no issues. Will do my baby iMac tonight.
You're lucky... if you had waited for the v1 metal iMac you would most likely not have been able to install this latest update... a fault in the graphics card keeps you stuck at 10.6.2.
[Hey... it's my first bitch with Apple and I'm going to milk it!... it hasn't kept me from buying new Apple products, though.]
You're lucky... if you had waited for the v1 metal iMac you would most likely not have been able to install this latest update... a fault in the graphics card keeps you stuck at 10.6.2.
That's complete fallacy, though, so there's not much to milk.