Samsung announces new Galaxy Tab models with iPad prices

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  • Reply 81 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    Sadly this makes no sense at all.



    The Android browser supports more HTML5 features then Safari Mobile does, in addition to Flash (which can be disabled). Where is the wall?



    http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...hreadid=121090
  • Reply 82 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    iMovie and GarageBand may be useful to some people, but they are undeniably silly. No serious musicians use GarageBand, no serious filmmakers use iMovie. They're for toying around.



    They are useful apps for use in the daily lives of normal, mainstream people. How big is the tablet market for "serious musicians" and "serious filmmakers"... and better yet, how many of them use Android tablets right now?
  • Reply 83 of 139
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    The Honeycomb UI is the one reason I cancelled my iPad 2 order and will be waiting for the Tab 10.1. I'm far too much of a multitasker to comfortably use the iOS UI. The lack of real tabbed browsing is massively annoying as well -- Honeycomb's Chrome-like browser is a huge plus for me, considering 99% of my use will be web browsing. The fact that it has a superior gmail client and notifications is also what pushes me over the edge, as when I'm not using it to browse the web, I'll be in gmail.



    You can get tabbed browsers for the iPad if you want. It's just that tabs take away screen real estate, and I actually prefer to have all tabs view as an image.



    I think Galaxy tab is the only competitor from the android side of the house, though I feel like samsung must have copied something in the fabrication process if they were able to get the size and weight down so fast.



    In any case, Android is a very good OS, though as I said before I dont think its as solid and stable as the iOS. And the extra layers that manufacturers add will inevitably consume extra memory/cpu and hamper performance and or battery life. Tight software hardware integration is still better in mobile devices at least.
  • Reply 84 of 139
    cutykamucutykamu Posts: 229member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    "KTHNKSBYE"? The kind of maturity one should expect here, I guess.



    Obviously Honeycomb doesn't have the iPad app selection right now. Obviously it will rapidly get many applications, just as Android has.



    If you need a large selection of apps today, then obviously the iPad is the right tablet for you. Personally, I rarely use any apps on my iPhone 3GS aside from Facebook, Twitter, and Bloomberg so apps aren't a big deal to me. All of the apps I want to use are there already or will be soon.



    I'm most interested in the web browsing and email experience. If you want the silly apps and games, then the iPad is the way to go.





    Flash is GPU accelerated in honeycomb. Regardless, if you don't want Flash, turn it off. I would ask you how long the iPad's battery life is with Flash, but that would be trolling.



    Flash is still very useful. I was out condo shopping last weekend with my iPhone and was checking out competing condo sites, some of which are Flash-based websites. Staring at a giant empty box is infuriating to me. Give me the choice if I'd like to use Flash, even if it would hurt my battery.



    seriously? silly apps? i think you have not visited apple app store cos apps such as filemaker, pages, numbers, keynote, imovie, garageband, infinity blade, google search, epicurious, solar walk, iBooks, EMD PTE, daily and etc are surely not be included as silly...
  • Reply 85 of 139
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Even if I were an Apple hater and thus intent on buying a clone, the speed these clone manufactures abandon ship on a product would make me have serious second thoughts about my hate for Apple!



    Well said.



    But beyond that I consider the ecosystem that comes with the product too.



    I was asking about the Aperture from one of the Tutorial specialists at the Boylston Apple Store. He was an expert of massmedia and graphics. I was surprised that he challenged me why I want to use Aperture over otgher choices, like the Adobe Photo Elements. That I should try both before making a decision.



    He explained that the Elements has features that cannot be done by Aperture. He also explained the need for ways to minimize the number of stepps moving from one application (e.g., Pages), iPhoto, Aperture -- to improve the workflow.



    In the case of Samsung, I have not gotten my mail-in rebate after two attempts to rectify the error with the help of the carrier staff.. Then when I had issue with the battery not lasting as claimed. In fact even drain faster than my previous phone, I had to bring it to th carrier not to Samsung. The carrier really has no interest to replace what I consider fast drain of the battery. And declared nothing is wrong with it, from their "test".



    That said, I have used a number of Samsung consumer products. I expect them to become a more able competitor as they become more mature.



    CGC
  • Reply 86 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    Or if you're referring to revenue, then that's not correct either. IBM and Microsoft each have more revenue and profits.



    Revenue: IBM > AAPL > MSFT

    Profit Margin: MSFT > AAPL > IBM

    Net Income: MSFT > AAPL > IBM

    Total Debt: AAPL < MSFT < IBM



    Apple

    Revenue: 76.28B

    Profit Margin: 21.81%

    Net Income: 16.64B

    Total Debt: 0.00



    Microsoft

    Revenue: 66.69B

    Profit Margin: 30.84%

    Net Income: 20.57B

    Total Debt: 9.68B



    IBM

    Revenue: 99.87B

    Profit Margin: 14.85%

    Net Income: 14.83B

    Total Debt: 28.62B
  • Reply 87 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    The Android browser supports more HTML5 features then Safari Mobile does, in addition to Flash (which can be disabled).



    I find that hard to believe considering that Android's browser uses WebKit... a project started by Apple and used in Safari.
  • Reply 88 of 139
    nkalunkalu Posts: 315member
    I thought they said the 7 inch form factor was the best. Now everyone is thinking differently like Apple. Jobs has been proven right again.
  • Reply 89 of 139
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post




    iMovie and GarageBand may be useful to some people, but they are undeniably silly.



    Do you mean like you are undeniably a fish?
  • Reply 90 of 139
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    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    So GarageBand is "kind of silly"?...What else is kind of silly? Keynote? Pages? iMovie?



    Keynote, Pages, and Numbers on the iPad: YES, They're a joke.. Even with a keyboard and a jailbreak for mouse support these apps can't even hold a candle to OpenOffice, let alone Microsoft Office. Even if you used them as a replacement to a traditional computer for simple document creation, you can barely export the damn things and ensure they'll work across platforms. NONE of the files I've ever exported from the iPad's office suite work exactly the same in the office standard, MS Office. If Apple can't get XML and ZIP files right, why even mention this as reliable software. Furthermore, there are a lot of apps in the App Store that do a lot better job than Apple's offerings. Even if they do cost a lot more, they're worth every penny.



    iMovie:
    Don't know. Didn't really like it on the Mac, iPhone 4, and, what I've demoed, the iPad 2. Maybe if I owned an iPad 2 and not the original iPad I would have a better opinion, but then again I set the bar to Xpress, Premier, and Final Cut, so iMovie is like the Mac equivalent to Windows Movie Maker; it'll get the job done and it's free with you computer purchase, but don't expect any Hollywood productions from it.



    GarageBand can't hold a candle to ProTools, Cubase, or even FruityLoops on the desktop. A stripped down iPad variant is just as useless. Cool, yes. True multi-track recording on a single mic input, not even a pipe dream. Now, if someone were to create a device that allowed multiple analog inputs, converted them to digital, and transmitted them via bluetooth (a mixer with bluetooth is what I'm describing), then maybe I could see how GarageBand iPad edition would be remotely useful.



    I'm not dissing Apple to be menacing, but if you're going to talk about good software for content creation, don't mention the cheap crap Apple and Microsoft pass to the consumer as a neat pony trick to sell more computers.
  • Reply 91 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    Heh. It's fascinating how apparently product sell-rates are why Apple's market cap is highest. Here I was thinking it had to do more with share price and perceived investor value.



    Or if you're referring to revenue, then that's not correct either. IBM and Microsoft each have more revenue and profits.



    Stop embarrassing yourself. You're blathering at this point.



    You really have no clue as to what you're talking about, do you?
  • Reply 92 of 139
    recrec Posts: 217member
    I haven't seen anybody post the obvious: none of this is actually shipping. New galaxy tabs, RIM playbook, they're still on paper. Still just prototypes and stat-threats. The announcement of these devices with all of their good sounding hardware stats is obviously timed to try and FUD the ipad2.



    They're not actually shipping, so they don't count. You can look forward to them, but disappointment abounds until its actually in your hands. Who can forget all the paper launches intel did in the past with some new CPU... where yes, maybe, they ship on time, but only in very limited quantities, making it so in reality nobody can actually get one.



    Any number of things can go wrong with these products until they are practical and real. They could ship with serious bugs, they could ship with serious hardware defects, last minute changes to hardware can occur downgrading their specs in serious ways, they can ship in very limited quantities, they could not ship at all.



    The ipad2 is shipping now and we know exactly what it's flaws are: cameras are meant for video not stills, and Apple can't meet demand (although they have probably shipped over 1mill units by now, demand is just too high). But its real, you can buy one (if you can find one). What can we say about these competing tablets? Who knows until they actually are tangible.
  • Reply 93 of 139
    sipsip Posts: 210member
    Samsung has set itself some target: two months to get a totally re-designed and tested device to customers. I wonder how the situation in Japan is going to affect this timetable?



    All the queuing-up we've been seeing outside Apple Stores must have included some Samsung employees -- tear apart the iPad2 to see what makes it tick, learn some lessons from Apple's manufacturing processes and produce a ever-so-slightly thinner/lighter device.
  • Reply 94 of 139
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by bullhead View Post


    I do not get how Samsung thinks it can compete head to head with the iPad. The only hope Samsung has at sellling these things is to significantly undercut the iPads price. If this thing was selling for $299 it might have a chance, but matching the price of the iPad for a cloner makes no sense. No one in their right mind would buy the cloner if you can get the real thing for the same price.



    That is not completely true.



    There's still number of people who do want full web experience, and having Flash is still part of that.



    As completely anecdotal example, I'm getting my mother an iPad because I know she needs/wants something simplified to the max and couldn't care less for Flash; PC/Mac/Linux are too complex to her and as long as she can see emails, do Skype, check weather forecast and read (not watch) news, she is one happy lady.



    But for me, I'll get Honeycomb. I want Flash. In fact, I'm finding Flash more important than raw hardware performance. I'm not going to game on tablet - I have strong PC and couple of consoles for in-house, PSP and iPhone for on-the-run. I'm also not planning to edit video or do anything else demanding on tablet - such tasks are so much more comfortable on 24" screen and QC desktop processor... so for me, even original iPad performance is adequate, Tegra 2 is perfect and iPad 2 is overkill anyway.



    I'm not going to say that everyone wants what I want, but it is equally silly saying that "noone wants Flash anyway". I would be surprised not to find that, at this point of time, majority still want Flash support.
  • Reply 95 of 139
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    Originally Posted by illimiter View Post


    I find that hard to believe considering that Android's browser uses WebKit... a project started by Apple and used in Safari.



    Get your facts straight. Webkit may have been started by Apple, but it's just a glorified fork of KHTML. Apple forked it so they could work on it independently. Apple could have just as easily sent over their changes to KDE as they were working on them, but instead chose to hold off and deliver in big batches. As much open source software used in Apple products, you'd think they would play better in the open source sandbox; but, Apple isn't about playing nice, they're about using what they can for their advantage and be damned of everyone else. Then again, what corporation that large is about playing nice? So at least they're consistent with their abuse of FLOSS. Ironically, a massive number of FLOSS developers develop on Macs!
  • Reply 96 of 139
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    Originally Posted by yeshuawatso View Post


    Get your facts straight. Webkit may have been started by Apple, but it's just a glorified fork of KHTML. Apple forked it so they could work on it independently. Apple could have just as easily sent over their changes to KDE as they were working on them, but instead chose to hold off and deliver in big batches. As much open source software used in Apple products, you'd think they would play better in the open source sandbox; but, Apple isn't about playing nice, they're about using what they can for their advantage and be damned of everyone else. Then again, what corporation that large is about playing nice? So at least they're consistent with their abuse of FLOSS. Ironically, a massive number of FLOSS developers develop on Macs!



    I said WebKit was started by Apple, which is 100% correct. I knew they started with the KHTML codebase, but I didn't call that out since it isn't relevant to the point I was making that Android uses the same browser backend as Safari. I also linked to the Wikipedia article about it so people could see the specifics, if they wanted.
  • Reply 97 of 139
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Asherian View Post


    "KTHNKSBYE"? The kind of maturity one should expect here, I guess.



    Obviously Honeycomb doesn't have the iPad app selection right now. Obviously it will rapidly get many applications, just as Android has.



    If you need a large selection of apps today, then obviously the iPad is the right tablet for you. Personally, I rarely use any apps on my iPhone 3GS aside from Facebook, Twitter, and Bloomberg so apps aren't a big deal to me. All of the apps I want to use are there already or will be soon.



    I'm most interested in the web browsing and email experience. If you want the silly apps and games, then the iPad is the way to go.





    Flash is GPU accelerated in honeycomb. Regardless, if you don't want Flash, turn it off. I would ask you how long the iPad's battery life is with Flash, but that would be trolling.



    Flash is still very useful. I was out condo shopping last weekend with my iPhone and was checking out competing condo sites, some of which are Flash-based websites. Staring at a giant empty box is infuriating to me. Give me the choice if I'd like to use Flash, even if it would hurt my battery.



    I keep thinking and saying that about Flash.



    So it drains battery faster than no Flash. So what?! Games drain battery much faster than just reading article. 3D games drain battery even faster. Video editing - one of spotlights for iPad 2 - will drain battery. I can't see anyone complaining about abundance of iOS games. One enjoy them of one wants and sacrifice some battery for that; or doesn't use them and keep juice for longer. But having an option is always good.
  • Reply 98 of 139
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    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    ...I would be surprised not to find that, at this point of time, majority still want Flash support.



    I use my iPad EVERY day for basic web surfing, news skimming, and media viewing. Web media is a pain in the ass on this thing. If the video isn't on YouTube, then you have a very slim chance of seeing it. I can't remember what game it was, but I went to see gameplay video that was receiving so much buzz, and I was interested in the franchise (it may have been MK or Batman AC now that I think about it), and all I got to see was a blank spot on the page. Even sites like Apple Insider embed FLASH video that we ipad viewers simply can't see. Downloading off the net to your personal player of choice isn't an acceptable policy either for some reason.



    What get's me is how Apple hardcore fans talk about having a specific app to do something extremely well, but not one that half-ass gets the job done to save me time. I don't want to have to close my browser, open SkyFire, and wait for a video I can't navigate just to get around Mr. Job's raging hard-on against Flash. Flash could barely work and it STILL would be better than this one app at a time BS.



    It reminds me of an argument fallacy people use to hate on Windows. They mention all the stuff a Mac does really well for an exuberant price and fail to see that a Windows desktop that does a mediocre job at several things is just enough to reach the "good enough" mark for most. Sad part, I'm a Linux fan, but I'm not a delusional pompous that can't recognize a fellow salesman (Jobs) and redirection is a tactic to keep people from seeing flaws in your product.
  • Reply 99 of 139
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yeshuawatso View Post


    GarageBand can't hold a candle to ProTools, Cubase, or even FruityLoops on the desktop. A stripped down iPad variant is just as useless. Cool, yes. True multi-track recording on a single mic input, not even a pipe dream. Now, if someone were to create a device that allowed multiple analog inputs, converted them to digital, and transmitted them via bluetooth (a mixer with bluetooth is what I'm describing), then maybe I could see how GarageBand iPad edition would be remotely useful.



    You are missing the whole point. It is completely ridiculous and quite ignorant to compare apps on the iPad to pro apps on a desktop. The iPad is not meant to replace a desktop and many pro audio users have already adopted the iPad as an additional tool to their already existing desktops and laptops. There are a bunch of numerous pro apps made by third party developers available for the iPad and many pro users are integrating the iPad into their setups. As an example, some of these people are using the iPad as a remote control for their DAWs and they are controlling the mixer and various plugins directly from the iPad. The multitouch surface opens up a whole world of new possibilities which were not possible before.



    At the 2011 NAMM show, which is for the pro music industry, the iPad was everywhere and it was the star of the show. The iPad has already been adopted by the pro music industry big time.



    But if the 2011 NAMM Show is remembered for one thing – it will probably be the sudden ubiquity of the Apple iPad.



    The iPad NAMM



    http://www.synthtopia.com/content/20...the-ipad-namm/



    It seems like you are one of those people who are looking for a desktop in a tablet. In that case, the iPad is not for you. Those people who do "get it", which is most people, will be using their iPads in creative ways and not whining about how it is not a desktop or that desktop software is more advanced or more powerful than tablet software. It is not meant to be. The iPad does things which no desktop can do, thanks to the multitouch surface and apps written around that.
  • Reply 100 of 139
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    Originally Posted by illimiter View Post


    I said WebKit was started by Apple, which is 100% correct. I knew they started with the KHTML codebase, but I didn't call that out since it isn't relevant to the point I was making that Android uses the same browser backend as Safari. I also linked to the Wikipedia article about it so people could see the specifics, if they wanted.



    Fair enough, but your point was irrelevant since it failed to address his original point that the Android browser does or does not support HTML better than Safari. He wasn't challenging the layout engine, he was challenging the hole browser. You could have easily made the counterpoint that HTML5 is better supported on iOS, that CSS3 transitions and translations are hardware supported, or that the javascript engine is better. I'm not saying this is all true, I don't have any evidence to prove either direction, but pointing out to someone that they have the same layout engine isn't a counterpoint to an argument about spec support.



    The argument is valid too. Chrome and Safari are both webkit based browsers, yet neither one of them are compliant with ALL of the HTML5 specification. They each implement things differently. WebGL is still not supported in a released version of Safari, and Chrome still doesn't support Form list.
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