But, the carriers are mainly out of the loop in the tablet market, mainly because most people don't want another carrier contract for a tablet, and because people think of it as more like a PC than a smartphone. What we're seeing in the tablet market is the true appeal of Android, without a market skewed by carrier control.
Bang on. And given that only the bottom-of-the-barrel Android tablets cost less than the iPad (due to lack of carrier subsidies), we get to see people choosing a tablet based on features and overall usability rather than cost alone. Which is a refreshing change from the cell phone market.
I don't know about slick, but at least Sony is not taking the let's just copy Apple approach. I don't see the purpose of the second device (though I don't think it looks bad), the first design seems more usable.
I actually kinda like the S2 design. It looks like it is about 2-1/2 inches or 3 inches wide when folded. That could be slipped into a back pocket or purse fairly easy. No special ($40- $60) covers or carrying cases needed. The screen would be crap for watching movies (compared to larger tablet screens), but it would still be better than watching movies or playing games on phones & iPods.
I shake my head in disappointment with Sony's S2. It's gonna make the most nastiest burnout when as it burns through the atmosphere.
Will Sony stick with tradition and infest it with DRM-laden everything, resulting in possibly good hardware, but crippled with horrendous software? If anyone can butcher Android to a level worse than what it is already, it will be Sony.
I'm guessing it 'Curiosity', it's some subscription music service, I installed it once for about 5 minutes on my PS3 then got rid of it very quickly. I hate how there's no way to exit those PS3 channels back to the menu system without turning the freaking thing off and on.
If you linked your credit card, you may want to change it, it may have been compromised in the malicious attack which has taken the Playstation network down for going on seven days now.
Sony is desperately copying Apple, and will sell some number of these tablets - the normal one anyway - maybe more than most of the other OEM's if it is great hardware.
but in spite of all Sony's efforts their ecosystem is just not good enough to compete with iPad. for good example, Sony also sells a new AppleTV copy device now, the SMP-N100, for about $90. it can be controlled with an iOS app even. but it uses DLNA to share media on your LAN - which is ok, but basic and no match for iTunes Sharing (now just Home, but soon cloud too). and it has nothing like AirPlay to use in connection with its tablet. it works best with Sony's Bravia TV's, but who is going to buy nothing but Sony TV's forever?
even worse for Sony is the failure of the ill-conceived PSP Go. their next gen PSP won't be ready until next year, and presumably will do media and apps too - via Android like the Xperia Play? - and so become a part of their ecosystem. but the iPod touch is already running away with the casual game segment of the PGP market now. and if Apple brings out a 5.5" version later this year - as well it might - Sony will be pushed to the just the smaller hard-core game segment.
so it's going to wind up like the iPod. Apple is going to hold 70+% of the tablet market indefinitely as long as it keeps improving all its iOS products as it has the last three years, and the all the other OEM's will split up the rest.
If you linked your credit card, you may want to change it, it may have been compromised in the malicious attack which has taken the Playstation network down for going on seven days now.
And yes, RIP the Sony of the 70's and '80's which lost its way in so many ways. 'Nother post for 'nother day, but new Apple execs should be required to read the history of Sony for all the case examples of what not to do once you have the cachet of an innovative, high-quality company known for unique and intuitive products.
Amen to that. Sony's ecosystem became too diverse. Cobblers should stick to their last, and leave others to sell socks, gumboots and pedicures.
Apple's greatest policy danger would be excessive diversification. Instead, they must allow the Belkin's, the Sandisks and other specialists to have a hook for their stuff to attach to Apple products.
Sony's PSN debacle points up the potential dangers of Apple's Cloud strategy. If I put all my stuff in the cloud and it goes down for a week or two, I'm going to want more than a months extension to my MobileMe account in compensation.
I hate Sony having had a lifetime of using their products, DVD players that refuse to play discs, PS3s that stop displaying video, proprietary storage/ media, that's all the guts of the machines but I have to say the enclosures are all really robust.
I've got a different story: I saved enough money in 1963 to buy a Sony reel-to-reel tape recorder. That thing was rugged and lasted for years, up until the late 70s when cassettes displaced the R2R. It wasn't an Ampex (the gold standard at the time) but its fidelity and mechanical operation was flawless. It lasted through deployment to different duty stations in Germany, abuse by roommates, the object of a couple of near-thefts, and many many hours of tape play time.
In order for a competitor to give Apple a good run, that competitor has to bring out a product that competes with the next iPad, not the one being sold when the competitor releases a new product.
Brings to mind the Dilbert cartoon where the Pointy-haired boss says that they need to work day and night to match the competitor's features within twelve months. Then, of course, Dilbert asks if they are catching up to where the competitor will be in a year (which is unknowable) or where are are now (which is stupid).
Which is why Apple will not release incremental product refreshes every few months, tipping their hand, and why Apple just might have a secret feature or two up its sleeve that catches the competition with their pants down at the next refresh.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know how to pronounce Qriocity. What the hell kind of brand name is that? I know we'll get a sexy model with breach brond hair to promote it.
I think you answered your own question. As for models with funny engrish hair, we'll have to see.
Hey, how about Mitsubishi? Shipping, banking, cars, consumer electronics, cameras, aircraft, brewing....
Or LG (low grade, lotsa garbage) with their lawn mowers, refrigerators, garden hoses, fire hydrants, seat belts, coffee makers, car batteries, paper products, beach balls, NFL communications gear, outdoor thermometers, 35mm film, hockey pucks, dog kennels, the list goes on. "Whatever Abbey Rents, LG makes"
I'm buying one of these because it's got one thing the ipad will never have...
... an IR port.
Yes, that's right ladies and gentleman. This lovely little device will be the ultimate universal remote for ALL my electronics, not just the underwhelming apple tv (already have an xbox slim and ps3 slim), and will work with my sony surround sound system and tv. Apple will never look backwards at some old useful technology like the IR port and think, hey! this would make a great addition to our super slim gizmo! so it's destine to never ever serve a purpose in my living room.
Brings to mind the Dilbert cartoon where the Pointy-haired boss says that they need to work day and night to match the competitor's features within twelve months. Then, of course, Dilbert asks if they are catching up to where the competitor will be in a year (which is unknowable) or where are are now (which is stupid).
Which is why Apple will not release incremental product refreshes every few months, tipping their hand, and why Apple just might have a secret feature or two up its sleeve that catches the competition with their pants down at the next refresh.
like what? a smart diaper? ipad 2 was more proof you can sell people just about anything. OMG i need another way to buy stuff! please apple, help me waste all my money! pfft. low res cameras, smart diaper, new chip. no one was shocked when this hit.
Sony is desperately copying Apple, and will sell some number of these tablets - the normal one anyway - maybe more than most of the other OEM's if it is great hardware.
but in spite of all Sony's efforts their ecosystem is just not good enough to compete with iPad. for good example, Sony also sells a new AppleTV copy device now, the SMP-N100, for about $90. it can be controlled with an iOS app even. but it uses DLNA to share media on your LAN - which is ok, but basic and no match for iTunes Sharing (now just Home, but soon cloud too). and it has nothing like AirPlay to use in connection with its tablet. it works best with Sony's Bravia TV's, but who is going to buy nothing but Sony TV's forever?
ps3 > apple tv
s1 > ipad 2
amazon cloud player > itunes
dlna > airtunes and home sharing
android honeycomb > iOS for iPad
DLNA works with tons of devices. AirPlay works with almost nothing.
iTunes wont even sync all my purchased music to my authorized computers onto my iphone. DUMB. Like 1990's hair style dumb.
PS3 is a better media player than apple tv hands down and it's not even the best out there. XBox is king when it comes to media playback.
Lastly, the S1, if it actually ships with the IR port, will be the defacto couch potato universal remote. It plays games, surfs the web, CAN RUN FLASH, and it has an IR port so i can control all my stuff and finally chuck all my old remotes in a drawer somewhere.
So basically, your opinions are just opinions and easily aren't everyones. Don't count sony out just because you're so brand loyal you can't see a good thing when it hits.
DLNA works with tons of devices. AirPlay works with almost nothing.
iTunes wont even sync all my purchased music to my authorized computers onto my iphone. DUMB. Like 1990's hair style dumb.
PS3 is a better media player than apple tv hands down and it's not even the best out there. XBox is king when it comes to media playback.
Lastly, the S1, if it actually ships with the IR port, will be the defacto couch potato universal remote. It plays games, surfs the web, CAN RUN FLASH, and it has an IR port so i can control all my stuff and finally chuck all my old remotes in a drawer somewhere.
So basically, your opinions are just opinions and easily aren't everyones. Don't count sony out just because you're so brand loyal you can't see a good thing when it hits.
everyone's opinions here are just opinions. duh. needs saying?
i've used DLNA with my PS3 and TiVo. it is ok but the "lowest common denominator" by design and thus very limited in what it can do. dumb playback is about it. what about custom equalizer settings? what about your metadata? direct links to iTunes store or any store for more info? in no way is it an equivalent to Home Sharing, let alone AirPlay.
i've got one of the several IR universal remote accessories available for iOS devices. use it with my retired 2007 iPhone. so i beat you to it. but not for the PS3 of course, since that remote is blutooth, not IR. thanks Sony.
yes iTunes can make transfers between multiple libraries and different users and hardware difficult, even if they are all on the same computer/LAN. or your iOS devices if you did not get them all initially set up with the same iTunes account as all the computers. maybe that is your issue. Apple should make fixing these glitches easy, but it hasn't.
without AirPlay (or at least the iOS Remote app), except for the above AppleTV and the PS3 are otherwise similar to use as a "media player." they both have Netflix. but Remote and AirPlay add a whole other dimension to AppleTV - a much easier to use UI for it. there is no equivalent app for the PS3 - yet. best you can do is connect a blutooth keyboard for text entry at least.
most fun these days tho is mirroring the iPad on my HDTV via HDMI cable. don't even need the AppleTV. most aren't, but some apps are really nice to see on a big screen. and of course there is huge game potential there. the surprise tho is web browsing. i've tried the PS3 browser - it sucks - and used an HTPC for years, always somewhat clumsy due to the need for a mouse/keyboard. but now suddenly it is really simple to do since you are doing all the UI on the tablet where it is totally easy but seeing it blown way up on your TV.
glad FLASH makes you happy. since it is about all a mix and match hodgepodge setup can do that iOS will not ... as long as flash lasts. oh yeah, i forgot. Divex! another wave of the past.
I actually kinda like the S2 design. That could be slipped into a back pocket or purse fairly easy. No special ($40- $60) covers or carrying cases needed.
Yeap. 11" tablet in your pocket and no crappy case. I wish it would also make a phone calls.
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But, the carriers are mainly out of the loop in the tablet market, mainly because most people don't want another carrier contract for a tablet, and because people think of it as more like a PC than a smartphone. What we're seeing in the tablet market is the true appeal of Android, without a market skewed by carrier control.
Bang on. And given that only the bottom-of-the-barrel Android tablets cost less than the iPad (due to lack of carrier subsidies), we get to see people choosing a tablet based on features and overall usability rather than cost alone. Which is a refreshing change from the cell phone market.
I don't know about slick, but at least Sony is not taking the let's just copy Apple approach. I don't see the purpose of the second device (though I don't think it looks bad), the first design seems more usable.
I actually kinda like the S2 design. It looks like it is about 2-1/2 inches or 3 inches wide when folded. That could be slipped into a back pocket or purse fairly easy. No special ($40- $60) covers or carrying cases needed. The screen would be crap for watching movies (compared to larger tablet screens), but it would still be better than watching movies or playing games on phones & iPods.
I shake my head in disappointment with Sony's S2. It's gonna make the most nastiest burnout when as it burns through the atmosphere.
Will Sony stick with tradition and infest it with DRM-laden everything, resulting in possibly good hardware, but crippled with horrendous software? If anyone can butcher Android to a level worse than what it is already, it will be Sony.
They should've called it the ME2.
Can anyone say Clie?
I'm guessing it 'Curiosity', it's some subscription music service, I installed it once for about 5 minutes on my PS3 then got rid of it very quickly. I hate how there's no way to exit those PS3 channels back to the menu system without turning the freaking thing off and on.
If you linked your credit card, you may want to change it, it may have been compromised in the malicious attack which has taken the Playstation network down for going on seven days now.
but in spite of all Sony's efforts their ecosystem is just not good enough to compete with iPad. for good example, Sony also sells a new AppleTV copy device now, the SMP-N100, for about $90. it can be controlled with an iOS app even. but it uses DLNA to share media on your LAN - which is ok, but basic and no match for iTunes Sharing (now just Home, but soon cloud too). and it has nothing like AirPlay to use in connection with its tablet. it works best with Sony's Bravia TV's, but who is going to buy nothing but Sony TV's forever?
even worse for Sony is the failure of the ill-conceived PSP Go. their next gen PSP won't be ready until next year, and presumably will do media and apps too - via Android like the Xperia Play? - and so become a part of their ecosystem. but the iPod touch is already running away with the casual game segment of the PGP market now. and if Apple brings out a 5.5" version later this year - as well it might - Sony will be pushed to the just the smaller hard-core game segment.
so it's going to wind up like the iPod. Apple is going to hold 70+% of the tablet market indefinitely as long as it keeps improving all its iOS products as it has the last three years, and the all the other OEM's will split up the rest.
If you linked your credit card, you may want to change it, it may have been compromised in the malicious attack which has taken the Playstation network down for going on seven days now.
some explanation-
http://tinyurl.com/PSNpwnag3Rumour
And yes, RIP the Sony of the 70's and '80's which lost its way in so many ways. 'Nother post for 'nother day, but new Apple execs should be required to read the history of Sony for all the case examples of what not to do once you have the cachet of an innovative, high-quality company known for unique and intuitive products.
Amen to that. Sony's ecosystem became too diverse. Cobblers should stick to their last, and leave others to sell socks, gumboots and pedicures.
Apple's greatest policy danger would be excessive diversification. Instead, they must allow the Belkin's, the Sandisks and other specialists to have a hook for their stuff to attach to Apple products.
Sony's PSN debacle points up the potential dangers of Apple's Cloud strategy. If I put all my stuff in the cloud and it goes down for a week or two, I'm going to want more than a months extension to my MobileMe account in compensation.
I hate Sony having had a lifetime of using their products, DVD players that refuse to play discs, PS3s that stop displaying video, proprietary storage/ media, that's all the guts of the machines but I have to say the enclosures are all really robust.
I've got a different story: I saved enough money in 1963 to buy a Sony reel-to-reel tape recorder. That thing was rugged and lasted for years, up until the late 70s when cassettes displaced the R2R. It wasn't an Ampex (the gold standard at the time) but its fidelity and mechanical operation was flawless. It lasted through deployment to different duty stations in Germany, abuse by roommates, the object of a couple of near-thefts, and many many hours of tape play time.
I find the S1 has a beautiful design.
My thoughts as well though I'm a bit concerned how it's going to feel in portrait mode what with the CoG being off on one side.
In order for a competitor to give Apple a good run, that competitor has to bring out a product that competes with the next iPad, not the one being sold when the competitor releases a new product.
Brings to mind the Dilbert cartoon where the Pointy-haired boss says that they need to work day and night to match the competitor's features within twelve months. Then, of course, Dilbert asks if they are catching up to where the competitor will be in a year (which is unknowable) or where are are now (which is stupid).
Which is why Apple will not release incremental product refreshes every few months, tipping their hand, and why Apple just might have a secret feature or two up its sleeve that catches the competition with their pants down at the next refresh.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know how to pronounce Qriocity. What the hell kind of brand name is that? I know we'll get a sexy model with breach brond hair to promote it.
I think you answered your own question. As for models with funny engrish hair, we'll have to see.
Hey, how about Mitsubishi? Shipping, banking, cars, consumer electronics, cameras, aircraft, brewing....
Or LG (low grade, lotsa garbage) with their lawn mowers, refrigerators, garden hoses, fire hydrants, seat belts, coffee makers, car batteries, paper products, beach balls, NFL communications gear, outdoor thermometers, 35mm film, hockey pucks, dog kennels, the list goes on. "Whatever Abbey Rents, LG makes"
... an IR port.
Yes, that's right ladies and gentleman. This lovely little device will be the ultimate universal remote for ALL my electronics, not just the underwhelming apple tv (already have an xbox slim and ps3 slim), and will work with my sony surround sound system and tv. Apple will never look backwards at some old useful technology like the IR port and think, hey! this would make a great addition to our super slim gizmo! so it's destine to never ever serve a purpose in my living room.
Brings to mind the Dilbert cartoon where the Pointy-haired boss says that they need to work day and night to match the competitor's features within twelve months. Then, of course, Dilbert asks if they are catching up to where the competitor will be in a year (which is unknowable) or where are are now (which is stupid).
Which is why Apple will not release incremental product refreshes every few months, tipping their hand, and why Apple just might have a secret feature or two up its sleeve that catches the competition with their pants down at the next refresh.
like what? a smart diaper? ipad 2 was more proof you can sell people just about anything. OMG i need another way to buy stuff! please apple, help me waste all my money! pfft. low res cameras, smart diaper, new chip. no one was shocked when this hit.
Sony is desperately copying Apple, and will sell some number of these tablets - the normal one anyway - maybe more than most of the other OEM's if it is great hardware.
but in spite of all Sony's efforts their ecosystem is just not good enough to compete with iPad. for good example, Sony also sells a new AppleTV copy device now, the SMP-N100, for about $90. it can be controlled with an iOS app even. but it uses DLNA to share media on your LAN - which is ok, but basic and no match for iTunes Sharing (now just Home, but soon cloud too). and it has nothing like AirPlay to use in connection with its tablet. it works best with Sony's Bravia TV's, but who is going to buy nothing but Sony TV's forever?
ps3 > apple tv
s1 > ipad 2
amazon cloud player > itunes
dlna > airtunes and home sharing
android honeycomb > iOS for iPad
DLNA works with tons of devices. AirPlay works with almost nothing.
iTunes wont even sync all my purchased music to my authorized computers onto my iphone. DUMB. Like 1990's hair style dumb.
PS3 is a better media player than apple tv hands down and it's not even the best out there. XBox is king when it comes to media playback.
Lastly, the S1, if it actually ships with the IR port, will be the defacto couch potato universal remote. It plays games, surfs the web, CAN RUN FLASH, and it has an IR port so i can control all my stuff and finally chuck all my old remotes in a drawer somewhere.
So basically, your opinions are just opinions and easily aren't everyones. Don't count sony out just because you're so brand loyal you can't see a good thing when it hits.
ps3 > apple tv
s1 > ipad 2
amazon cloud player > itunes
dlna > airtunes and home sharing
android honeycomb > iOS for iPad/QUOTE]
You must have missed every memo of all time
Say what you will about apple- they didn't get summarily ass pwn3d all month by hackers like Sony.
ps3 > apple tv
s1 > ipad 2
amazon cloud player > itunes
dlna > airtunes and home sharing
android honeycomb > iOS for iPad
DLNA works with tons of devices. AirPlay works with almost nothing.
iTunes wont even sync all my purchased music to my authorized computers onto my iphone. DUMB. Like 1990's hair style dumb.
PS3 is a better media player than apple tv hands down and it's not even the best out there. XBox is king when it comes to media playback.
Lastly, the S1, if it actually ships with the IR port, will be the defacto couch potato universal remote. It plays games, surfs the web, CAN RUN FLASH, and it has an IR port so i can control all my stuff and finally chuck all my old remotes in a drawer somewhere.
So basically, your opinions are just opinions and easily aren't everyones. Don't count sony out just because you're so brand loyal you can't see a good thing when it hits.
everyone's opinions here are just opinions. duh. needs saying?
i've used DLNA with my PS3 and TiVo. it is ok but the "lowest common denominator" by design and thus very limited in what it can do. dumb playback is about it. what about custom equalizer settings? what about your metadata? direct links to iTunes store or any store for more info? in no way is it an equivalent to Home Sharing, let alone AirPlay.
i've got one of the several IR universal remote accessories available for iOS devices. use it with my retired 2007 iPhone. so i beat you to it. but not for the PS3 of course, since that remote is blutooth, not IR. thanks Sony.
yes iTunes can make transfers between multiple libraries and different users and hardware difficult, even if they are all on the same computer/LAN. or your iOS devices if you did not get them all initially set up with the same iTunes account as all the computers. maybe that is your issue. Apple should make fixing these glitches easy, but it hasn't.
without AirPlay (or at least the iOS Remote app), except for the above AppleTV and the PS3 are otherwise similar to use as a "media player." they both have Netflix. but Remote and AirPlay add a whole other dimension to AppleTV - a much easier to use UI for it. there is no equivalent app for the PS3 - yet. best you can do is connect a blutooth keyboard for text entry at least.
most fun these days tho is mirroring the iPad on my HDTV via HDMI cable. don't even need the AppleTV. most aren't, but some apps are really nice to see on a big screen. and of course there is huge game potential there. the surprise tho is web browsing. i've tried the PS3 browser - it sucks - and used an HTPC for years, always somewhat clumsy due to the need for a mouse/keyboard. but now suddenly it is really simple to do since you are doing all the UI on the tablet where it is totally easy but seeing it blown way up on your TV.
glad FLASH makes you happy. since it is about all a mix and match hodgepodge setup can do that iOS will not ... as long as flash lasts. oh yeah, i forgot. Divex! another wave of the past.
I actually kinda like the S2 design. That could be slipped into a back pocket or purse fairly easy. No special ($40- $60) covers or carrying cases needed.
Yeap. 11" tablet in your pocket and no crappy case. I wish it would also make a phone calls.