Google launches cloud music, previews next Android, promises OS updates for 18 mos.

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  • Reply 41 of 123
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
    Man google is really awesome. I love google and I love apple, can't get enough of both companies. Still think iOS/iTunes is better, but Android is growing on me.
  • Reply 42 of 123
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Solipsism, 18 months ago some posters here said "Android smartphones will never overtake iPhone sales". A few months later it did. But some posters here said that didn't really matter anyway. "Android will never have as many apps to choose from". Looks like that will happen sometime this year too. But now that doesn't really matter either. It's more about quality than quantity.



    So then late last year it became "Android will never sell as well as the combined total of all iOS devices each month". Five months later it looks like they actually may be outselling all iOS devices combined.



    Who are these posters? Name names and post posts.
  • Reply 43 of 123
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    Meh. Android developers already know they can't make money with Android apps, so they are slow to commit or leaving for iOS. Hardware manufacturers will simply devolve to lowest cost competitors, as Android phones are now a commodity business, just like PCs.



    Yeah, and the laughable thing is, Google is making no money on this (even indirectly, at least not so far).



    You've got wonder about these race-to-the-bottom handset makers. How can they be so dependent on someone else for their OS, and essentially hand their future over to a company that makes no money on this? What exactly do they compete on, against each other? Features? Buttons? Colors? Size? What if Google decides to yank or detour or slow down Android, because they've got other things to do?
  • Reply 44 of 123
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    The Android tablets will overtake Apple is unproven, to say the least. Unlike the iPhone Apple came into that Market aggressively. Very few manufacturers can compete with their buying power.



    On phones they are still selling one high end model and last years high end model. This report is showing that a 2 yr old iPhone model can beat the best of Androids competition. When Apple are on all carriers and have lower priced models, which they will, they will regain Market share from Android.



    That's the only way if reading this report.



    While Apple will move into new areas but so will Android. We'll see likely see them as tomorow's "feature phone" except with access to Android Market for certain apps. There is HW coming to market this year that could put Android 2.3 onto a phone that can be sold, contract free, for under $100. That market is exceedingly large from a unit sales standpoint, but not likely not a money maker for vendors or devs.
  • Reply 45 of 123
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy

    Solipsism, 18 months ago some posters here said "Android smartphones will never overtake iPhone sales". A few months later it did. But some posters here said that didn't really matter anyway. "Android will never have as many apps to choose from". Looks like that will happen sometime this year too. But now that doesn't really matter either. It's more about quality than quantity.



    So then late last year it became "Android will never sell as well as the combined total of all iOS devices each month". Five months later it looks like they actually may be outselling all iOS devices combined.




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Who are these posters? Name names and post posts.



    Gatorguy forgot to mention my post:



    "Who gives a shit."
  • Reply 46 of 123
    originalgoriginalg Posts: 383member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Yeah, and the laughable thing is, Google is making no money on this (even indirectly, at least not so far).



    You've got wonder about these race-to-the-bottom handset makers. How can they be so dependent on someone else for their OS, and essentially hand their future over to a company that makes no money on this? What exactly do they compete on, against each other? Features? Buttons? Colors? Size? What if Google decides to yank or detour or slow down Android, because they've got other things to do?



    Google does make money off Android: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/g...ould-eventual/
  • Reply 47 of 123
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 1,072member
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    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    I just hope all of this lights a fire under Apple and that iOS 5 will be revolutionary!



    ...because, as we all know, apple hasn't been revolutionary (or innovative) in quite some time...
  • Reply 48 of 123
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,351member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Who are these posters? Name names and post posts.



    Right. . .

    Never seen here huh?



    Is this busy work, or are you trying to say it's not been said?



    If the latter, I'll play along. If the former, I really do have other things a bit more important than playing a game.
  • Reply 49 of 123
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member
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    Originally Posted by guch20 View Post


    Meanwhile, Apple is still trying to figure out how to do notifications on iOS.



    I know there is debate over which notification system is better. Truth be told, I've used both, and while Apple's version can be annoying, that's sort of the point behind a notification... to let you know something is happening. I found that I totally miss notifications on Android since it requires action on my behalf.
  • Reply 50 of 123
    j.r.j.r. Posts: 27member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    What exactly do they compete on, against each other? Features? Buttons? Colors? Size?



    Hardware specs. Who can cram the most superfluously powerful smartphone components into an iPhone-esque design? The one exception is battery size/life.
  • Reply 51 of 123
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,351member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    Originally Posted by Gatorguy

    Solipsism, 18 months ago some posters here said "Android smartphones will never overtake iPhone sales". A few months later it did. But some posters here said that didn't really matter anyway. "Android will never have as many apps to choose from". Looks like that will happen sometime this year too. But now that doesn't really matter either. It's more about quality than quantity.



    So then late last year it became "Android will never sell as well as the combined total of all iOS devices each month". Five months later it looks like they actually may be outselling all iOS devices combined.








    Gatorguy forgot to mention my post:



    "Who gives a shit."





    As it should be!
  • Reply 52 of 123
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    Google does make money off Android: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/g...ould-eventual/



    Did you read your own link?! Here, let me quote from the engadget.com blurb:



    "Of course, it doesn't make all that money from Android directly, but Schmidt says that Android-based phones are already generating enough advertising revenue to cover the cost of development. What's more, while he doesn't provide any current specific numbers, Schmidt did say that he expects there to someday be one billion Android phones in the world, and that if each one generated just $10 per user per year it would be a $10 billion business....."



    Cover the 'cost of development'? Plus some fairy tale hopes (if we can sell a billion, and if we can get get $10 per user per year) that pass for a forecast? 'Nuff said.



    (Come back and post some numbers if/when Google actually provides you with some audited segment data that actually says 'we are making some money that is more than chump change'. Until then, it's cheap talk.)
  • Reply 53 of 123
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Right. . .

    Never seen here huh?



    Is this busy work, or are you trying to say it's not been said?



    If the latter, I'll play along. If the former, I really do have other things a bit more important than playing a game.



    I think one person said that Android will not catch up to iOS... and that person was a numbskull. When you've got 15 companies producing 5 phones each you're bound to end up with more phones than one company producing one phone.



    As mentioned... who gives a shit.



    What's your point?
  • Reply 54 of 123
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J.R. View Post


    Hardware specs. Who can cram the most superfluously powerful smartphone components into an iPhone-esque design? The one exception is battery size/life.



    Yeah, that strategy worked out well for PC makers..... (which was sort of the point in the original I was agreeing with).
  • Reply 55 of 123
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,351member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    I think one person said that Android will not catch up to iOS... and that person was a numbskull. When you've got 15 companies producing 5 phones each you're bound to end up with more phones than one company producing one phone.



    As mentioned... who gives a shit.



    What's your point?



    Exactly that!!

    Why does anyone give a shit about figures and percentages comparing Android and Apple.



    You're the first one to get it. Congrats!
  • Reply 56 of 123
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,819member
    Google wishes desperatedly they were Apple...

    As Steve Jobs would say, "we didn't get into the search business..."
  • Reply 57 of 123
    guch20guch20 Posts: 173member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mac_dog View Post


    ...because, as we all know, apple hasn't been revolutionary (or innovative) in quite some time...



    Sure they are, when it comes to creating a market. But their competitors blatantly rip them off and use Apple's ideas as a springboard to leapfrog ahead of Apple and innovate further while Apple slowly crawls forward with their ideas. Cut and paste, multi-tasking, notifications...Apple needs to stay ahead of the curve with these types of things or they're going to be left behind.



    Google says their next big update will feature a new user interface, so I'm guessing they plan to do away with the "App tiles" look they copied from Apple. This will be the first time they've gone in their own direction in this area with Android phones. If it turns out like the last time they went in their own direction with Android (the abortion that is Gingerbread), they're probably going to piss a lot of people off because it's just too different and too difficult for casual users to get into. This would give Apple a perfect chance to swoop in with a new, improved, innovative, and most of all user-friendly iOS 5 to woo the public again.



    Then Google can just copy the new look of iOS and we start back from the beginning...
  • Reply 58 of 123
    guch20guch20 Posts: 173member
    @ jkichline: I love Apple too, but part of really loving something is knowing when and accepting that they make mistakes. Notifications in iOS is a mistake. I'm sorry, but an icon on the top of the screen and a little chime playing works much better, IMO, than a large chunky block interrupting me by blocking the entire screen.



    Apple seems to agree since rumor has it they are working hard to "fix" the notifications system in iOS.
  • Reply 59 of 123
    originalgoriginalg Posts: 383member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Did you read your own link?! Here, let me quote from the engadget.com blurb:



    "Of course, it doesn't make all that money from Android directly, but Schmidt says that Android-based phones are already generating enough advertising revenue to cover the cost of development. What's more, while he doesn't provide any current specific numbers, Schmidt did say that he expects there to someday be one billion Android phones in the world, and that if each one generated just $10 per user per year it would be a $10 billion business....."



    Cover the 'cost of development'? Plus some fairy tale hopes (if we can sell a billion, and if we can get get $10 per user per year) that pass for a forecast? 'Nuff said.



    (Come back and post some numbers if/when Google actually provides you with some audited segment data that actually says 'we are making some money that is more than chump change'. Until then, it's cheap talk.)



    I agree with you that Android itself doesn't generate much money for Google, but the point of it is to further drive Google's main revenue stream (Ads). I don't think they'll ever show a clear segmented number for Android alone. It's pretty much the same for all of Google's services, everything is about driving Ad revenue.



    The worst case situation for the handset manufacturers is for some group to take over development of Android or switch to yet another OS. What about all of their investment into Android then? I'm sure they're used to spending money on products that don't sell (Xoom) so whatever they'll have to do to stay in the game in the future will just be regular business. We'll see how much these handset makers really invest into Android by how well they would really keep up with updates.
  • Reply 60 of 123
    The announcements are feel underwhelming to me, save one: a new ?state of the art interface?.



    What really got me is the fact that Google has never demonstrated UI which is close to what I perceive as ?state of the Art?. I mean c?mon, even supposedly lagging Microsoft has one - Metro, while tech trendmaker Google is still stuck with ?simplicity? which in reality produces evenly spaced flat rectangles in barely enough quantities to map all the available system functions to them.



    Maybe they will find a good designer at last. And hopefully Apple is busy preparing UI update as the answer.
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