9.7” AMOLED+ displays? I didn’t think that was close to being financially viable for that size. it seems like OLED was only on the 3.x”Android-based smartphones and LCDs on the 4.x” Android-based smartphones.
Assuming Cook really is visiting Samaung to discuss OLED for the iPad I wouldn’t think it’s for the iPad 3. Any new OLED tech on the horizon that could make this possible in a couple years?
Assuming Cook is visiting but and for OLED related discussions I hope it’s for an AMOLED trackpad on future Mac notebooks.
Time to update some old information regarding AMOLED's and Pentile sub-pixels.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
IMO, not sure the present iPAd2 screen could be much better for general use. But I have not seen what a high ppi display would look like. My very limited understanding is these IPS displays is that they are 'relatively' expensive.
(IMO IPS is worth it compared to these cheap arse PC laptop screens)
If Tim Cook is in town to Samsung... I would presume its either to renew existing contracts or make new deals. If its a new deal, with a new SUPERDUPERPOOPERWHOOPER-OLED displays; I think we can be pretty confident that Apple vetted it out and meets their strict ergonomic/power usage standards.
But then again, they did create the new nano... ut-oh(bites finger nails).
Time to update some old information regarding AMOLED's and Pentile sub-pixels.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
The new Samsung Infuse has huge 4.5” Super AMOLED+ screen "features 50%
more sub-pixels for better contrast and outdoor readability". The Infuse is only 8.99 mm thin (iphone is 9.3 mm), features 4G data, 18 GB internal memory, up to 32 GB external memory and 1750mAh battery!
I prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II at 4.3? and HSPA+ @ 21Mbps. That phone is too big. Even the 4.3? devices are near too big if they include too much bezel.
My criteria for bring too big: Being unable to hold the device in one hand and have my thumb accurately tap on every inch of the phone without having to reposition how my hand is holding the device.
How much battery life do you get from that 1750mAh battery with LTE enabled? The HTC Thunderbolt came with a 1400mAh battery and the duration was poor. They created a backpack battery that doubled the capacity (and thickness) and I don?t think it made it last as long as the iPhone does.
I prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II at 4.3? and HSPA+ @ 21Mbps. That phone is too big. Even the 4.3? devices are near too big if they include too much bezel.
My criteria for bring too big: Being unable to hold the device in one hand and have my thumb accurately tap on every inch of the phone without having to reposition how my hand is holding the device.
How much battery life do you get from that 1750mAh battery with LTE enabled? The HTC Thunderbolt came with a 1400mAh battery and the duration was poor. They created a backpack battery that doubled the capacity (and thickness) and I don?t think it made it last as long as the iPhone does.
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power. My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
They could also visit the Lego company in Denmark. That company has survived in the highly competitive toy market for 62 years, and could warn Apple about some of the pitfalls to avoid with the iPad 3.
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power.
1) I haven’t seen any reviews showing an average usability of AMOLED besting OLED backlit LCDs in anything other than the common “it uses less power because it doesn’t use the backlight when there is black to be shown.
2) I also haven’t read any good battery reviews, even on Android forums. I’ve even read that it takes about as long to charge as it takes to drain the battery with normal use.
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My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
I’d like to see another iPhone model hit the market, which to me means a larger display size, but I think 4.3” is about as big as I’d go. Remember, Apple uses a 2:3 ration, not 16:9.
Almost a half an inch wider and over 1.5” more my thumb has to travel to reach the opposing corner, something it can’t do without moving the rest of my hand.
For comparison:
Galaxy S II — 4.3” = 2.19” x 3.66” = 8.15” squared
The rumor of the 4” iPhone is looking more realistic if we assume that Apple will not change the aspect ratio of the device (which I think is a very safe bet).
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power. My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
There is many misconception about AMOLED.
Power consumption of AMOLED screen depend on what is display on the screen while LCD depend only on the brightness of the backlight. A white screen on AMOLED consume more power then on equal LCD. In practical use there is no clear winner on power consumption.
Beside it's contrast ratio (pure blacks) AMOLED got not much advantage from LCD. Right now all AMOLED suffer of poor lifespan with color shift on aging (blue pixels fade out after few years). Outdoor readability is worst than LCD and Pentiles pixels matrix is an ugly way to patch a brightness issue with AMOLED screens.
I much prefer keep an proven technology over new hipped technology that have not pass the test of time yet.
Almost a half an inch wider and over 1.5? more my thumb has to travel to reach the opposing corner, something it can?t do without moving the rest of my hand.
True. But moving a thumb to extreme corners is not a frequent task. Most of the time you would use the middle 80% of screen.
I am spoiled by my 4.3" screen and would not go back even to 4.0". I use a lot of stock chart browsing, email and 4.5"- or even thin 5" would be ideal for me, it is still on-hand operation device.
Another good thing is that Android browser runs in full screen mode auto hiding top and bottom bars. iPhone top/bottom bars consume usable browsing space making that 3.5" screen even smaller.
Time to update some old information regarding AMOLED's and Pentile sub-pixels.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
They finally got RGB sub-pixel arrangement for current Android phone display resolution which is lesser then the iPhone @ 326dpi. Every "retina display" AMOLED prototype are going back to pentiles arrangement.
True. But moving a thumb to extreme corners is not a frequent task. Most of the time you would use the middle 80% of screen.
The design of iOS has most back buttons at the top left corner. Since I’m right-handed like most people this means my thumb is pulling to the top left to go back in apps. I currently don’t have to stretch my thumb, just extend it, but even if I stretch it I can’t get the needed extra 2cm without repositioning the phone in my hand to sod so. From a usability standpoint I’d say Apple will not be making a 3:2 4.3” or 4.5” display for future iPhones.
I think Tim is in Korea to have a high level, forthright discussion of the Apple-Samsung relationship.
He is there to let Samsung leadership know that Apple really does want them to stop aping Apple's iPhone and iPad. This is a war/peace negotiation. He's probably telling them that they risk losing Apple as a business partner and Apple finds their copying actions unacceptable.
The leaked AMOLED rumor is just a bit of diplomatic theater to minimize customer and shareholder concerns.
I have a Samsung Omnia HD with super AMOLED display, comes with 2 batteries out of the box.
It takes good pics and video in the sun, but pretty useless for everything else. If the display like everyone is saying, actually uses less energy, then the rest of the phone is consuming all of what is saved. I'd say, this phone cannot stay uncharged in standy mode, with no activity (no calls what so ever), for more than 2/3 days (hence they give you two batteries). If you don't charge it everyday, you are more than likely left with one bar on the battery meter and die in mid call. Even when you charge it daily, but if you leave the phone turned on (i.e. not power off) while charging, it may show you it's fully charged, but it's not and will be down to 1 to 2 bars the next day with almost no activity. You need to power down this phone when charging to have the charge stay in operating range for 2 to 3 days. I have banned future Samsung products in my household because of this phone.
Currently very happy with the iPhone 4. I hope Apple knows what they are doing, and find a way to make the most out of Samsung components if they are increasing their reliance on Samsung (I've been told they made certain good components, but I have not recovered from my experience).
This would be a step backwards for apple unless they could par with Samsung.
A SAMOLED screen would be preferred as the simple AMOLED screen Still requires that 1 glass plane above the touchscreen. But I think the odds are small that Samsung would want to manufacture SAMOLED + screens for apple when they can barely catch up on manufacturing the screens for their own products.
Daniel Eran story about why newer AMOLED displays are better than LCD in... 3, 2, 1
Yes? And if new tech is better than old tech, why would that be a problem?
There's no hypocrisy or fan boyism to say that a given technology is inferior while it is inferior, then say that same general technology is superior if it gets improved enough to actually be superior. It's not like Daniel or anyone posting here are insisting that Apple can never upgrade their hardware because it's perfect now.
BTW, when did you stop contributing anything to the forums besides cranky negativity? Has the failure of Apple to make a TV bummed you out? Come on man, get working on some mockups and cheer up!
1) I haven?t seen any reviews showing an average usability of AMOLED besting OLED backlit LCDs in anything other than the common ?it uses less power because it doesn?t use the backlight when there is black to be shown.
2) I also haven?t read any good battery reviews, even on Android forums. I?ve even read that it takes about as long to charge as it takes to drain the battery with normal use.
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Assuming Cook really is visiting Samaung to discuss OLED for the iPad I wouldn’t think it’s for the iPad 3. Any new OLED tech on the horizon that could make this possible in a couple years?
Assuming Cook is visiting but and for OLED related discussions I hope it’s for an AMOLED trackpad on future Mac notebooks.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amole...tion-explained
(IMO IPS is worth it compared to these cheap arse PC laptop screens)
If Tim Cook is in town to Samsung... I would presume its either to renew existing contracts or make new deals. If its a new deal, with a new SUPERDUPERPOOPERWHOOPER-OLED displays; I think we can be pretty confident that Apple vetted it out and meets their strict ergonomic/power usage standards.
But then again, they did create the new nano... ut-oh(bites finger nails).
Time to update some old information regarding AMOLED's and Pentile sub-pixels.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
The new Samsung Infuse has huge 4.5” Super AMOLED+ screen "features 50%
more sub-pixels for better contrast and outdoor readability". The Infuse is only 8.99 mm thin (iphone is 9.3 mm), features 4G data, 18 GB internal memory, up to 32 GB external memory and 1750mAh battery!
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/dev...p9mt?WT.srch=1
The new Samsung Infuse has huge 4.5? Super AMOLED Plus screen "features 50%
more sub-pixels for better contrast and outdoor readability". Phone is 8.99 mm thin, features 4G data and 1750mAh battery!
Image: ]http://www.smartphoneenvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Samsung-Infuse-4G-vs-Apple-iPhone-4.jpg
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/dev...p9mt?WT.srch=1
I prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II at 4.3? and HSPA+ @ 21Mbps. That phone is too big. Even the 4.3? devices are near too big if they include too much bezel.
My criteria for bring too big: Being unable to hold the device in one hand and have my thumb accurately tap on every inch of the phone without having to reposition how my hand is holding the device.
How much battery life do you get from that 1750mAh battery with LTE enabled? The HTC Thunderbolt came with a 1400mAh battery and the duration was poor. They created a backpack battery that doubled the capacity (and thickness) and I don?t think it made it last as long as the iPhone does.
I prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II at 4.3? and HSPA+ @ 21Mbps. That phone is too big. Even the 4.3? devices are near too big if they include too much bezel.
My criteria for bring too big: Being unable to hold the device in one hand and have my thumb accurately tap on every inch of the phone without having to reposition how my hand is holding the device.
How much battery life do you get from that 1750mAh battery with LTE enabled? The HTC Thunderbolt came with a 1400mAh battery and the duration was poor. They created a backpack battery that doubled the capacity (and thickness) and I don?t think it made it last as long as the iPhone does.
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power. My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power.
1) I haven’t seen any reviews showing an average usability of AMOLED besting OLED backlit LCDs in anything other than the common “it uses less power because it doesn’t use the backlight when there is black to be shown.
2) I also haven’t read any good battery reviews, even on Android forums. I’ve even read that it takes about as long to charge as it takes to drain the battery with normal use.
My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
I’d like to see another iPhone model hit the market, which to me means a larger display size, but I think 4.3” is about as big as I’d go. Remember, Apple uses a 2:3 ration, not 16:9.Almost a half an inch wider and over 1.5” more my thumb has to travel to reach the opposing corner, something it can’t do without moving the rest of my hand.
For comparison:The rumor of the 4” iPhone is looking more realistic if we assume that Apple will not change the aspect ratio of the device (which I think is a very safe bet).
Samsung claims talk time "Up to 8 hours 50 minutes". AMOLED display consumes less power. My cooworker has this phone and based on my experience the 4.5" size is perfect especially considering how thin this phone is. It is actually easier to hold phone of that size while making a call.
My wife has 4.3" Evo and 10" iPpad. So for email and light web browsing she actually prefers Evo exactly based on the ease of its one-hand operation.
There is many misconception about AMOLED.
Power consumption of AMOLED screen depend on what is display on the screen while LCD depend only on the brightness of the backlight. A white screen on AMOLED consume more power then on equal LCD. In practical use there is no clear winner on power consumption.
Beside it's contrast ratio (pure blacks) AMOLED got not much advantage from LCD. Right now all AMOLED suffer of poor lifespan with color shift on aging (blue pixels fade out after few years). Outdoor readability is worst than LCD and Pentiles pixels matrix is an ugly way to patch a brightness issue with AMOLED screens.
I much prefer keep an proven technology over new hipped technology that have not pass the test of time yet.
Almost a half an inch wider and over 1.5? more my thumb has to travel to reach the opposing corner, something it can?t do without moving the rest of my hand.
True. But moving a thumb to extreme corners is not a frequent task. Most of the time you would use the middle 80% of screen.
I am spoiled by my 4.3" screen and would not go back even to 4.0". I use a lot of stock chart browsing, email and 4.5"- or even thin 5" would be ideal for me, it is still on-hand operation device.
Another good thing is that Android browser runs in full screen mode auto hiding top and bottom bars. iPhone top/bottom bars consume usable browsing space making that 3.5" screen even smaller.
Time to update some old information regarding AMOLED's and Pentile sub-pixels.
The display in the new Samsung Galaxy S2 is Super AMOLED+. The "+" part refers to the true RGB sub-pixel arrangement, not the RGBG pentile arrangement they used in the original Galaxy S.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amole...tion-explained
They finally got RGB sub-pixel arrangement for current Android phone display resolution which is lesser then the iPhone @ 326dpi. Every "retina display" AMOLED prototype are going back to pentiles arrangement.
True. But moving a thumb to extreme corners is not a frequent task. Most of the time you would use the middle 80% of screen.
The design of iOS has most back buttons at the top left corner. Since I’m right-handed like most people this means my thumb is pulling to the top left to go back in apps. I currently don’t have to stretch my thumb, just extend it, but even if I stretch it I can’t get the needed extra 2cm without repositioning the phone in my hand to sod so. From a usability standpoint I’d say Apple will not be making a 3:2 4.3” or 4.5” display for future iPhones.
He is there to let Samsung leadership know that Apple really does want them to stop aping Apple's iPhone and iPad. This is a war/peace negotiation. He's probably telling them that they risk losing Apple as a business partner and Apple finds their copying actions unacceptable.
The leaked AMOLED rumor is just a bit of diplomatic theater to minimize customer and shareholder concerns.
It takes good pics and video in the sun, but pretty useless for everything else. If the display like everyone is saying, actually uses less energy, then the rest of the phone is consuming all of what is saved. I'd say, this phone cannot stay uncharged in standy mode, with no activity (no calls what so ever), for more than 2/3 days (hence they give you two batteries). If you don't charge it everyday, you are more than likely left with one bar on the battery meter and die in mid call. Even when you charge it daily, but if you leave the phone turned on (i.e. not power off) while charging, it may show you it's fully charged, but it's not and will be down to 1 to 2 bars the next day with almost no activity. You need to power down this phone when charging to have the charge stay in operating range for 2 to 3 days. I have banned future Samsung products in my household because of this phone.
Currently very happy with the iPhone 4. I hope Apple knows what they are doing, and find a way to make the most out of Samsung components if they are increasing their reliance on Samsung (I've been told they made certain good components, but I have not recovered from my experience).
A SAMOLED screen would be preferred as the simple AMOLED screen Still requires that 1 glass plane above the touchscreen. But I think the odds are small that Samsung would want to manufacture SAMOLED + screens for apple when they can barely catch up on manufacturing the screens for their own products.
Daniel Eran story about why newer AMOLED displays are better than LCD in... 3, 2, 1
Yes? And if new tech is better than old tech, why would that be a problem?
There's no hypocrisy or fan boyism to say that a given technology is inferior while it is inferior, then say that same general technology is superior if it gets improved enough to actually be superior. It's not like Daniel or anyone posting here are insisting that Apple can never upgrade their hardware because it's perfect now.
BTW, when did you stop contributing anything to the forums besides cranky negativity? Has the failure of Apple to make a TV bummed you out? Come on man, get working on some mockups and cheer up!
So, Apple fanbase.....SAMOLED is good ???
hahahaha..what a joke!
Weird. It's like you're hallucinating in your own little world.
Troll alert (you know whom I mean)! It's not even worth dignifying his comment or his name with a repost.
Please don't respond to him.
A sound policy.
1) I haven?t seen any reviews showing an average usability of AMOLED besting OLED backlit LCDs in anything other than the common ?it uses less power because it doesn?t use the backlight when there is black to be shown.
2) I also haven?t read any good battery reviews, even on Android forums. I?ve even read that it takes about as long to charge as it takes to drain the battery with normal use.
Google is your friend.
LCD's dont use OLED as backlights. It uses LEDs.