Between this and Android web usage stats, it's quit clear that a significant number, if not the majority, of Android users didn't necessarily seek it out - instead they probably got it for free with a BOGO promotion or similar. Contrast that to the iPhonewhere every sale is a premium sale and more than likely a deliberate choice on the part of the purchaser.
Every sale is a premium sale? So you're saying no one ever buys the $50 3GS?
As for the "type of customer" between iOS and Android users. It doesn't really hold sway anymore. The idea that only "well off" customers get iOS and only "cheapskates" get android. That argument lost most of it's punch once Apple finally allowed ATT to subsidize the device.
Every sale is a premium sale? So you're saying no one ever buys the $50 3GS?
As for the "type of customer" between iOS and Android users. It doesn't really hold sway anymore. The idea that only "well off" customers get iOS and only "cheapskates" get android. That argument lost most of it's punch once Apple finally allowed ATT to subsidize the device.
Nonsense. Android's ubiquity insures that it's merely the OS that comes on the phone they sold you.
Go to an AT&T or Verizon store and see what proportion of phones they're selling run Android. See if you can renew a contract without having an Android phone pushed on you.
Android isn't the OS that people ask for, it's the OS they get, like it or not. You have to go out of your way to get an iPhone, probably pay more, and probably insist in the face of salesperson pressure.
For all intents and purposes, Android is the new feature phone OS-- you get it even if all you want is to be able to email, surf the web and text. And, indeed, it would appear that that's pretty much a lot of Android users are doing. That doesn't mean that Android doesn't have its enthusiasts that seek out and exploit the OS to its fullest. But Android's very success has made it a lowest common denominator solution in the age of smartphones, the default OS that comes with whatever you get if you don't care much what you get. It's not terribly surprising that the whole paid app to use your phone like a small mobile computer phenomena really hasn't taken off in that market.
● On the iOS (and probably Android as well) the vast majority of the money goes to only a few devs. Speaking as a small dev that gets caught on the wrong end of that, Apple could help me out by:
1) Reducing the number of redundant apps. For example, you don't need 800+ fart apps. 20 would be more than enough. This would give customers a reason to explore the stores for additional apps..
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell. If Apple starts culling apps, YOUR apps may be the ones that get gone. Then, you will be on here screaming about how Apple is kicking the little devs out of the App Store. How it must change. It may be time to change over to the 'glass half full' side.
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell. If Apple starts culling apps, YOUR apps may be the ones that get gone. Then, you will be on here screaming about how Apple is kicking the little devs out of the App Store. How it must change. It may be time to change over to the 'glass half full' side.
No, it's my responsibility to sell my Apps, not Apple's. I understand that.
But I also understand that even _I_ don't want to buy apps from small devs, and I'm a small developer myself. And the main reasons I don't want to buy them are the reasons I outlined in those two posts. Seriously, If you're a small dev, there's basically 0% chance your app will get loaded onto my device.
And it's probably not just me that feels that way, as most people don't buy from the small developer. That's why most of the revenue generated by iOS goes to only a few developers.
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BTW, if Apple decided to cull apps and mine got culled, I'd be happier as a consumer that they were culling apps than I would be disappointed as a dev that mine got culled. That said, I agree that there would be devs complaining their apps got culled.
The key to doing it right would be for Apple to put out a statement saying they were going to cull apps in the near future and listing the criteria they would use to do so. For example, they may say that redundancy, time of entry into the App Store, and # of purchases are the criteria. So if you're selling "FART APP #627" and have zero sales, you know ahead of time your app will probably get culled. And it will be culled based on criteria applied to everyone, you're not being singled out by Apple.
What is/are your app(s)? You could at least advertise it here. You know here is loads of your potential customers.
The mod won't mind I guess since you're asked.
I don't think it's appropriate for me to use Apple Insider's message board to ask people to go buy my apps.
This isn't about me trying to get you to buy my apps. It's about trying to raise awareness that there are structural issues with Apple's App Store that put small developers at an unnecessary disadvantage. And, in turn, hopefully that will work to improve the situation.
I don't think that the developers of Angry Birds are unsatisfied with over 100 million downloads of their game. Even with Apple's cut they have still collected over 60 million $$$$ and counting
Total of 100 million downloads from everywhere, not just Apple.
Very likely this number also includes all the free versions.
Yes it has made a lot of money but most likely not $60 million.
However with all the other garbage such as licensing, movie, t-shirts and other spin-offs, it is a cash cow.
I don't think it's appropriate for me to use Apple Insider's message board to ask people to go buy my apps.
This isn't about me trying to get you to buy my apps. It's about trying to raise awareness that there are structural issues with Apple's App Store that put small developers at an unnecessary disadvantage. And, in turn, hopefully that will work to improve the situation.
Why so tight-lipped about it I wonder. I don't think you can fool anyone here. This "doing for a greater good" sure sounds like a certain company's bull__it.
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell.
He whined so much but he wouldn't let us his potential customers knows about his apps. Looks like his business is less important than Apple bashing/Google worshiping. Does he take us as a fool?
He whined so much but he wouldn't let us his potential customers knows about his apps. Looks like his business is less important than Apple bashing/Google worshiping. Does he take us as a fool?
My friend, if you're interested in my apps, go into the app store, wade through the thousands of junk apps using Apple's sub-par search tools, and, if you have faith that my apps won't steal and sell your personal data without either myself or Apple telling you about it, buy the apps.
But, if you're like most people, you won't. Because no one wants to wade through thousands of junk apps using lousy tools hoping to find something decent. And no one wants to risk their personal data being stolen and sold to anyone who bids on it.
1) ?but but but Google is activating 400,000 Android devices per day.
2) Why is iPad and iPhone broken into separate categories, but not Android smartphone and tablet? Are there no apps for Honeycomb? What does that say for those wanting to buy an Android-based tablet?
3) Maybe some will take note of what can happen when you build well instead of trying to build fast.
2) It's a common Distimo trick that Daniel Eran Dilger has rightly pointed out a few times before. Distimo always breaks down iPad and iPhone into separate categories, but lumps Android together. Leading to the "OMFG Android will have more apps than iPhone by June". iPhone, not iOS as a whole.
What hasn't been mentioned is that there was no support for paid apps in the Android Market until Feb/09, about 27 months ago. And even then it was only for the US and the UK. And as recently as just 10 months ago paid apps were only offered in 14 of the 48 available countries. Just this month they've finally announced paid app availability for 100 new countries, where only 32 were supported prior to a few weeks ago.
So of course there are more free apps in the Android Market. That's all that was offered for a long time. Perhaps that might have just a little bit more to do with the comparison of paid apps on the two platforms than Android users unwillingness to pay for them. \
My friend, if you're interested in my apps, go into the app store, wade through the thousands of junk apps using Apple's sub-par search tools, and, if you have faith that my apps won't steal and sell your personal data without either myself or Apple telling you about it, buy the apps.
But, if you're like most people, you won't. Because no one wants to wade through thousands of junk apps using lousy tools hoping to find something decent. And no one wants to risk their personal data being stolen and sold to anyone who bids on it.
My wife downloaded a few apps a day. So far she loves the system (otherwise she wouldn't keep coming back to it, would she?) and her personal data still intact (can't say that about gmail she's using though, especially when she fell to Google scam by unintentionally using Buzz). Is the App Store perfect? Hell, no. Is it decent enough? "I love my iPhone, especially app" she said (which I think is funny because she always hates computer).
I don't think anyone here interested in your apps, just want to see your excuse. If you're the real iOS developer then best of luck to you. Couldn't see you're being successful at all.
I may have. I'm assuming there was some attempt to link value with the price of the object. I just didn't get it.
The point is that Android is the cheap, kitchen sink mobile phone OS that allows carriers to maintain the control they want, which is pretty much what feature phones are/were all about.
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Between this and Android web usage stats, it's quit clear that a significant number, if not the majority, of Android users didn't necessarily seek it out - instead they probably got it for free with a BOGO promotion or similar. Contrast that to the iPhonewhere every sale is a premium sale and more than likely a deliberate choice on the part of the purchaser.
Every sale is a premium sale? So you're saying no one ever buys the $50 3GS?
As for the "type of customer" between iOS and Android users. It doesn't really hold sway anymore. The idea that only "well off" customers get iOS and only "cheapskates" get android. That argument lost most of it's punch once Apple finally allowed ATT to subsidize the device.
Every sale is a premium sale? So you're saying no one ever buys the $50 3GS?
As for the "type of customer" between iOS and Android users. It doesn't really hold sway anymore. The idea that only "well off" customers get iOS and only "cheapskates" get android. That argument lost most of it's punch once Apple finally allowed ATT to subsidize the device.
Nonsense. Android's ubiquity insures that it's merely the OS that comes on the phone they sold you.
Go to an AT&T or Verizon store and see what proportion of phones they're selling run Android. See if you can renew a contract without having an Android phone pushed on you.
Android isn't the OS that people ask for, it's the OS they get, like it or not. You have to go out of your way to get an iPhone, probably pay more, and probably insist in the face of salesperson pressure.
For all intents and purposes, Android is the new feature phone OS-- you get it even if all you want is to be able to email, surf the web and text. And, indeed, it would appear that that's pretty much a lot of Android users are doing. That doesn't mean that Android doesn't have its enthusiasts that seek out and exploit the OS to its fullest. But Android's very success has made it a lowest common denominator solution in the age of smartphones, the default OS that comes with whatever you get if you don't care much what you get. It's not terribly surprising that the whole paid app to use your phone like a small mobile computer phenomena really hasn't taken off in that market.
Speaking as a small dev that gets caught on the wrong end of that, Apple could help me out by:
What is/are your app(s)? You could at least advertise it here. You know here is loads of your potential customers.
The mod won't mind I guess since you're asked.
A few quick comments:
● On the iOS (and probably Android as well) the vast majority of the money goes to only a few devs. Speaking as a small dev that gets caught on the wrong end of that, Apple could help me out by:
1) Reducing the number of redundant apps. For example, you don't need 800+ fart apps. 20 would be more than enough. This would give customers a reason to explore the stores for additional apps..
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell. If Apple starts culling apps, YOUR apps may be the ones that get gone. Then, you will be on here screaming about how Apple is kicking the little devs out of the App Store. How it must change. It may be time to change over to the 'glass half full' side.
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell. If Apple starts culling apps, YOUR apps may be the ones that get gone. Then, you will be on here screaming about how Apple is kicking the little devs out of the App Store. How it must change. It may be time to change over to the 'glass half full' side.
No, it's my responsibility to sell my Apps, not Apple's. I understand that.
But I also understand that even _I_ don't want to buy apps from small devs, and I'm a small developer myself. And the main reasons I don't want to buy them are the reasons I outlined in those two posts. Seriously, If you're a small dev, there's basically 0% chance your app will get loaded onto my device.
And it's probably not just me that feels that way, as most people don't buy from the small developer. That's why most of the revenue generated by iOS goes to only a few developers.
Edit:
BTW, if Apple decided to cull apps and mine got culled, I'd be happier as a consumer that they were culling apps than I would be disappointed as a dev that mine got culled. That said, I agree that there would be devs complaining their apps got culled.
The key to doing it right would be for Apple to put out a statement saying they were going to cull apps in the near future and listing the criteria they would use to do so. For example, they may say that redundancy, time of entry into the App Store, and # of purchases are the criteria. So if you're selling "FART APP #627" and have zero sales, you know ahead of time your app will probably get culled. And it will be culled based on criteria applied to everyone, you're not being singled out by Apple.
What is/are your app(s)? You could at least advertise it here. You know here is loads of your potential customers.
The mod won't mind I guess since you're asked.
I don't think it's appropriate for me to use Apple Insider's message board to ask people to go buy my apps.
This isn't about me trying to get you to buy my apps. It's about trying to raise awareness that there are structural issues with Apple's App Store that put small developers at an unnecessary disadvantage. And, in turn, hopefully that will work to improve the situation.
I don't think that the developers of Angry Birds are unsatisfied with over 100 million downloads of their game. Even with Apple's cut they have still collected over 60 million $$$$ and counting
Total of 100 million downloads from everywhere, not just Apple.
Very likely this number also includes all the free versions.
Yes it has made a lot of money but most likely not $60 million.
However with all the other garbage such as licensing, movie, t-shirts and other spin-offs, it is a cash cow.
I don't think it's appropriate for me to use Apple Insider's message board to ask people to go buy my apps.
This isn't about me trying to get you to buy my apps. It's about trying to raise awareness that there are structural issues with Apple's App Store that put small developers at an unnecessary disadvantage. And, in turn, hopefully that will work to improve the situation.
Why so tight-lipped about it I wonder. I don't think you can fool anyone here. This "doing for a greater good" sure sounds like a certain company's bull__it.
You whine so much about how it's Apple's fault your apps don't sell.
He whined so much but he wouldn't let us his potential customers knows about his apps. Looks like his business is less important than Apple bashing/Google worshiping. Does he take us as a fool?
He whined so much but he wouldn't let us his potential customers knows about his apps. Looks like his business is less important than Apple bashing/Google worshiping. Does he take us as a fool?
My friend, if you're interested in my apps, go into the app store, wade through the thousands of junk apps using Apple's sub-par search tools, and, if you have faith that my apps won't steal and sell your personal data without either myself or Apple telling you about it, buy the apps.
But, if you're like most people, you won't. Because no one wants to wade through thousands of junk apps using lousy tools hoping to find something decent. And no one wants to risk their personal data being stolen and sold to anyone who bids on it.
1) ?but but but Google is activating 400,000 Android devices per day.
2) Why is iPad and iPhone broken into separate categories, but not Android smartphone and tablet? Are there no apps for Honeycomb? What does that say for those wanting to buy an Android-based tablet?
3) Maybe some will take note of what can happen when you build well instead of trying to build fast.
2) It's a common Distimo trick that Daniel Eran Dilger has rightly pointed out a few times before. Distimo always breaks down iPad and iPhone into separate categories, but lumps Android together. Leading to the "OMFG Android will have more apps than iPhone by June". iPhone, not iOS as a whole.
So of course there are more free apps in the Android Market. That's all that was offered for a long time. Perhaps that might have just a little bit more to do with the comparison of paid apps on the two platforms than Android users unwillingness to pay for them.
http://www.distimo.com/blog/2010_09_...new-countries/
http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=2004
My friend, if you're interested in my apps, go into the app store, wade through the thousands of junk apps using Apple's sub-par search tools, and, if you have faith that my apps won't steal and sell your personal data without either myself or Apple telling you about it, buy the apps.
But, if you're like most people, you won't. Because no one wants to wade through thousands of junk apps using lousy tools hoping to find something decent. And no one wants to risk their personal data being stolen and sold to anyone who bids on it.
My wife downloaded a few apps a day. So far she loves the system (otherwise she wouldn't keep coming back to it, would she?) and her personal data still intact (can't say that about gmail she's using though, especially when she fell to Google scam by unintentionally using Buzz). Is the App Store perfect? Hell, no. Is it decent enough? "I love my iPhone, especially app" she said (which I think is funny because she always hates computer).
I don't think anyone here interested in your apps, just want to see your excuse. If you're the real iOS developer then best of luck to you. Couldn't see you're being successful at all.
... For all intents and purposes, Android is the new feature phone OS ...
I'm happy to see people are starting to realize something I stated a long time ago in these forums.
Whatever, Mr. 100 mile location data. LOL
I see they let MacTripper out again.
I'm happy to see people are starting to realize something I stated a long time ago in these forums.
It's being used on both premium and feature phones. iOs would be too if Apple made a feature phone or licensed their OS.
It's being used on both premium and feature phones. iOs would be too if Apple made a feature phone or licensed their OS.
I think you're missing the point.
I think you're missing the point.
I may have. I'm assuming there was some attempt to link value with the price of the object. I just didn't get it.
I may have. I'm assuming there was some attempt to link value with the price of the object. I just didn't get it.
The point is that Android is the cheap, kitchen sink mobile phone OS that allows carriers to maintain the control they want, which is pretty much what feature phones are/were all about.